Count down to Taiwan....it's coming.....

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Last months historic financial pact between Russian and China was not randomly timed. Not only are we totally unable to sanction another Sovereign State ( since china effectively controls up to 85% of all our trading traffic) Even though the official number is supposedly 14%.

What percentage of US trade is with China?


Year-to-Date Total Trade
RankCountryPercent of Total Trade
1Canada14.5%
2Mexico14.4%
3China14.3%
4Japan4.6%

one only needs to turn over five out of six items bought in a department store to find that it's ultimate origin regardless of whether it came from Mexico, Canada, Japan or wherever is China so the chart here above is a rather inaccurate surface analysis of what the real world situation actually is. Cell phones are at least a little easier to guage for example. All major cell phone makers depend on Foxcon a wholly Taiwanese owned and Operated franchise located in China. Fact is most of our other goods are in the same boat....but we are hindered from seeing that by a variety of shell trading deals that keep it from looking like the horror that it actually is. Here on the following List is what appears to be the case but is really just a numbers game in disguise:

Rank​
Country​
Exports​
Imports​
Total Trade​
Percent of Total Trade​
---
Total, All Countries
1,754.6
2,832.9
4,587.5
100.0%
---
Total, Top 15 Countries
1,233.3
2,205.6
3,438.9
75.0%
1​
Canada
307.6​
357.2​
664.8​
14.5%​
2​
Mexico
276.5​
384.7​
661.2​
14.4%​
3​
China
151.1​
506.4​
657.4​
14.3%​
4​
Japan
75.0​
135.1​
210.1​
4.6%​
5​
Germany
65.2​
135.2​
200.4​
4.4%​
6​
Korea, South
65.8​
95.0​
160.7​
3.5%​
7​
United Kingdom
61.5​
56.4​
117.8​
2.6%​
8​
Taiwan
36.9​
77.1​
114.1​
2.5%​
9​
India
40.1​
73.3​
113.4​
2.5%​
10​
Vietnam
10.9​
101.9​
112.9​
2.5%​
11​
Netherlands
53.6​
35.3​
88.9​
1.9%​
12​
Ireland
13.6​
73.7​
87.3​
1.9%​
13​
Switzerland
24.0​
63.0​
87.0​
1.9%​
14​
Italy
21.7​
61.0​
82.7​
1.8%​
15​
France
30.0​
50.3​
80.3​
1.8%​
The top fifteen with the possible exception of India and Viet Nam all have major stakes in Chinese manufacturing so the goods that they trade with us that have their name on them are largely and Ultimately also Chinese( are you getting it now?). The CCP requires all manufacturers who set up shop in China proper to cede 51% interest to the party which means at any time they so desire they can order the products of those factories to go wherever they want them to. Russia anyone? Hmmm...For this reason alone we are unable to float any kind of meaningful sanctions against anyone that China decides to supply....no matter with what or how much. Asking them too cooperate will get us one large middle finger...albeit with some green tea and a smile. All This talk of sanctions against Russia and the Ruble crashing are complete nonsense when you consider this set of current circumstances that we willingly allowed to develop over the past fifty years. Our landscape is virtually littered with the remains of a once great manufacturing complex now largely outsourced to guess where? Oh...and what's this? Biden has floated sanctions on the Ukraine to punish who? Russia? Bwahahaha....that's like slapping the rape victim after the rape and blaming her for being their in the first place. I wonder how the Ukrainian businesses with Biden's bank account numbers on them are doing right now?

So next....TAIWAN..... I give it less than 12 months at this point...annnnnd what are we going to do about it Hmmmm? Stop trading with China? Yeah...fat chance charlie.....it won't be the Russians or the Ukrainians who will be starving then...it will be US.

China does not have to wage all out war to do this. They merely have to make sea passage in that area next to impossible....it won't take long for the entire freaking world to get the point.

So next time somebody tells you that tariffs are a bad thing....make sure you get that spelled correctly in Mandarin writing so you can pronounce it properly for your future Chinese governor.

JO
 
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Its already under way.....Joe is a world wide disaster....
Biden is an effing retarded moron....but in all fairness......I don't think Trump could have stopped this either. This is not about American Political Parties per se...it's about fifty years of stupid decisions made towards a culture that thinks long game as opposed to one that only thinks there to four years out.

JO
 
Biden is an effing retarded moron....but in all fairness......I don't think Trump could have stopped this either. This is not about American Political Parties per se...it's about fifty years of stupid decisions made towards a culture that thinks long game as opposed to one that only thinks there to four years out.

JO
Trump had it stopped for four years...do you think this desire is a new one for Putin?...Trump's sanctions were breaking Russia and Joe Biden removed them in his first month in office....

The only time Putin moved to rebuild the Old Soviet Union was when Obama and Joe were in office....
 
Every adventurist war Russia and China might dream of depends on our willingness to engage them militarily in retaliation. I don't see America coming to the rescue of either the Ukraine or Taiwan. Nuclear weapons remain the ultimate stalemate maker between global bullies. Proxy wars are always on the table but won't save either nation in the long run.
 
Trump had it stopped for four years...do you think this desire is a new one for Putin?...Trump's sanctions were breaking Russia and Joe Biden removed them in his first month in office....

The only time Putin moved to rebuild the Old Soviet Union was when Obama and Joe were in office....
Actually I am talking about Taiwan...... Ukraine....yeah it would probably be different with Trump because Trump knew that NATO was a collection of pick pockets with a weapons permit.

JO
 
Biden has been in on these planned border changes all along. Biden (or should we say Obama) is backing the new world order in this his 10th year in office. Obviously, the weak sanctions won't have any real effect, but it "looks" like he's doing something, which he has to do for optics.
 
Biden has been in on these planned border changes all along. Biden (or should we say Obama) is backing the new world order in this his 10th year in office. Obviously, the weak sanctions won't have any real effect, but it "looks" like he's doing something, which he has to do for optics.
There are no real sanctions....we can't float them....we are not in charge of that department anymore.....for more info on actual sanctions see 1-800-Beijing.
 
I imagine if Russia pulls this off then china will go after Taiwan in 5 to 6 years once the heat from this Ukraine mess dies down some. Of course depending on how it goes china might press the advantage move sooner.
 
I imagine if Russia pulls this off then china will go after Taiwan in 5 to 6 years once the heat from this Ukraine mess dies down some. Of course depending on how it goes china might press the advantage move sooner.
China needs to move before November. If the House and Senate flip, Republicans can put pressure on Biden that he can't ignore. There is no reason to allow anything to cool off either. In fact moving fast is the best option. Biden only offered sanctions for Russia invading a sovereign country. He can hardly do more to China a few weeks or months later, especially given our One China policy.
 
I imagine if Russia pulls this off then china will go after Taiwan in 5 to 6 years once the heat from this Ukraine mess dies down some. Of course depending on how it goes china might press the advantage move sooner.
Yes....next six months or less....

JO
 
Last months historic financial pact between Russian and China was not randomly timed. Not only are we totally unable to sanction another Sovereign State ( since china effectively controls up to 85% of all our trading traffic) Even though the official number is supposedly 14%.

What percentage of US trade is with China?


Year-to-Date Total Trade
RankCountryPercent of Total Trade
1Canada14.5%
2Mexico14.4%
3China14.3%
4Japan4.6%

one only needs to turn over five out of six items bought in a department store to find that it's ultimate origin regardless of whether it came from Mexico, Canada, Japan or wherever is China so the chart here above is a rather inaccurate surface analysis of what the real world situation actually is. Cell phones are at least a little easier to guage for example. All major cell phone makers depend on Foxcon a wholly Taiwanese owned and Operated franchise located in China. Fact is most of our other goods are in the same boat....but we are hindered from seeing that by a variety of shell trading deals that keep it from looking like the horror that it actually is. Here on the following List is what appears to be the case but is really just a numbers game in disguise:

Rank​
Country​
Exports​
Imports​
Total Trade​
Percent of Total Trade​
---
Total, All Countries
1,754.6
2,832.9
4,587.5
100.0%
---
Total, Top 15 Countries
1,233.3
2,205.6
3,438.9
75.0%
1​
Canada
307.6​
357.2​
664.8​
14.5%​
2​
Mexico
276.5​
384.7​
661.2​
14.4%​
3​
China
151.1​
506.4​
657.4​
14.3%​
4​
Japan
75.0​
135.1​
210.1​
4.6%​
5​
Germany
65.2​
135.2​
200.4​
4.4%​
6​
Korea, South
65.8​
95.0​
160.7​
3.5%​
7​
United Kingdom
61.5​
56.4​
117.8​
2.6%​
8​
Taiwan
36.9​
77.1​
114.1​
2.5%​
9​
India
40.1​
73.3​
113.4​
2.5%​
10​
Vietnam
10.9​
101.9​
112.9​
2.5%​
11​
Netherlands
53.6​
35.3​
88.9​
1.9%​
12​
Ireland
13.6​
73.7​
87.3​
1.9%​
13​
Switzerland
24.0​
63.0​
87.0​
1.9%​
14​
Italy
21.7​
61.0​
82.7​
1.8%​
15​
France
30.0​
50.3​
80.3​
1.8%​
The top fifteen with the possible exception of India and Viet Nam all have major stakes in Chinese manufacturing so the goods that they trade with us that have their name on them are largely and Ultimately also Chinese( are you getting it now?). The CCP requires all manufacturers who set up shop in China proper to cede 51% interest to the party which means at any time they so desire they can order the products of those factories to go wherever they want them to. Russia anyone? Hmmm...For this reason alone we are unable to float any kind of meaningful sanctions against anyone that China decides to supply....no matter with what or how much. Asking them too cooperate will get us one large middle finger...albeit with some green tea and a smile. All This talk of sanctions against Russia and the Ruble crashing are complete nonsense when you consider this set of current circumstances that we willingly allowed to develop over the past fifty years. Our landscape is virtually littered with the remains of a once great manufacturing complex now largely outsourced to guess where? Oh...and what's this? Biden has floated sanctions on the Ukraine to punish who? Russia? Bwahahaha....that's like slapping the rape victim after the rape and blaming her for being their in the first place. I wonder how the Ukrainian businesses with Biden's bank account numbers on them are doing right now?

So next....TAIWAN..... I give it less than 12 months at this point...annnnnd what are we going to do about it Hmmmm? Stop trading with China? Yeah...fat chance charlie.....it won't be the Russians or the Ukrainians who will be starving then...it will be US.

China does not have to wage all out war to do this. They merely have to make sea passage in that area next to impossible....it won't take long for the entire freaking world to get the point.

So next time somebody tells you that tariffs are a bad thing....make sure you get that spelled correctly in Mandarin writing so you can pronounce it properly for your future Chinese governor.

JO
I imagine if Russia pulls this off then china will go after Taiwan in 5 to 6 years once the heat from this Ukraine mess dies down some. Of course depending on how it goes china might press the advantage move sooner.
Given the mess Putin has created, Taiwan should be safe for the immediate future.
 
Biden is an effing retarded moron....but in all fairness......I don't think Trump could have stopped this either. This is not about American Political Parties per se...it's about fifty years of stupid decisions made towards a culture that thinks long game as opposed to one that only thinks there to four years out.

JO
Trump DID stop it. This is how he handled it.

 
Last months historic financial pact between Russian and China was not randomly timed. Not only are we totally unable to sanction another Sovereign State ( since china effectively controls up to 85% of all our trading traffic) Even though the official number is supposedly 14%.

What percentage of US trade is with China?


Year-to-Date Total Trade
RankCountryPercent of Total Trade
1Canada14.5%
2Mexico14.4%
3China14.3%
4Japan4.6%

one only needs to turn over five out of six items bought in a department store to find that it's ultimate origin regardless of whether it came from Mexico, Canada, Japan or wherever is China so the chart here above is a rather inaccurate surface analysis of what the real world situation actually is. Cell phones are at least a little easier to guage for example. All major cell phone makers depend on Foxcon a wholly Taiwanese owned and Operated franchise located in China. Fact is most of our other goods are in the same boat....but we are hindered from seeing that by a variety of shell trading deals that keep it from looking like the horror that it actually is. Here on the following List is what appears to be the case but is really just a numbers game in disguise:

Rank​
Country​
Exports​
Imports​
Total Trade​
Percent of Total Trade​
---
Total, All Countries
1,754.6
2,832.9
4,587.5
100.0%
---
Total, Top 15 Countries
1,233.3
2,205.6
3,438.9
75.0%
1​
Canada
307.6​
357.2​
664.8​
14.5%​
2​
Mexico
276.5​
384.7​
661.2​
14.4%​
3​
China
151.1​
506.4​
657.4​
14.3%​
4​
Japan
75.0​
135.1​
210.1​
4.6%​
5​
Germany
65.2​
135.2​
200.4​
4.4%​
6​
Korea, South
65.8​
95.0​
160.7​
3.5%​
7​
United Kingdom
61.5​
56.4​
117.8​
2.6%​
8​
Taiwan
36.9​
77.1​
114.1​
2.5%​
9​
India
40.1​
73.3​
113.4​
2.5%​
10​
Vietnam
10.9​
101.9​
112.9​
2.5%​
11​
Netherlands
53.6​
35.3​
88.9​
1.9%​
12​
Ireland
13.6​
73.7​
87.3​
1.9%​
13​
Switzerland
24.0​
63.0​
87.0​
1.9%​
14​
Italy
21.7​
61.0​
82.7​
1.8%​
15​
France
30.0​
50.3​
80.3​
1.8%​
The top fifteen with the possible exception of India and Viet Nam all have major stakes in Chinese manufacturing so the goods that they trade with us that have their name on them are largely and Ultimately also Chinese( are you getting it now?). The CCP requires all manufacturers who set up shop in China proper to cede 51% interest to the party which means at any time they so desire they can order the products of those factories to go wherever they want them to. Russia anyone? Hmmm...For this reason alone we are unable to float any kind of meaningful sanctions against anyone that China decides to supply....no matter with what or how much. Asking them too cooperate will get us one large middle finger...albeit with some green tea and a smile. All This talk of sanctions against Russia and the Ruble crashing are complete nonsense when you consider this set of current circumstances that we willingly allowed to develop over the past fifty years. Our landscape is virtually littered with the remains of a once great manufacturing complex now largely outsourced to guess where? Oh...and what's this? Biden has floated sanctions on the Ukraine to punish who? Russia? Bwahahaha....that's like slapping the rape victim after the rape and blaming her for being their in the first place. I wonder how the Ukrainian businesses with Biden's bank account numbers on them are doing right now?

So next....TAIWAN..... I give it less than 12 months at this point...annnnnd what are we going to do about it Hmmmm? Stop trading with China? Yeah...fat chance charlie.....it won't be the Russians or the Ukrainians who will be starving then...it will be US.

China does not have to wage all out war to do this. They merely have to make sea passage in that area next to impossible....it won't take long for the entire freaking world to get the point.

So next time somebody tells you that tariffs are a bad thing....make sure you get that spelled correctly in Mandarin writing so you can pronounce it properly for your future Chinese governor.

JO
Chatter is indicating an April date for China's attack... I wonder what they will do?

JO
 
United together with Taiwan!!!!!
I hadn't looked at it that way but it is eloquent reasoning.... I like this guy though..

 
Last months historic financial pact between Russian and China was not randomly timed. Not only are we totally unable to sanction another Sovereign State ( since china effectively controls up to 85% of all our trading traffic) Even though the official number is supposedly 14%.

What percentage of US trade is with China?


Year-to-Date Total Trade
RankCountryPercent of Total Trade
1Canada14.5%
2Mexico14.4%
3China14.3%
4Japan4.6%

one only needs to turn over five out of six items bought in a department store to find that it's ultimate origin regardless of whether it came from Mexico, Canada, Japan or wherever is China so the chart here above is a rather inaccurate surface analysis of what the real world situation actually is. Cell phones are at least a little easier to guage for example. All major cell phone makers depend on Foxcon a wholly Taiwanese owned and Operated franchise located in China. Fact is most of our other goods are in the same boat....but we are hindered from seeing that by a variety of shell trading deals that keep it from looking like the horror that it actually is. Here on the following List is what appears to be the case but is really just a numbers game in disguise:

Rank​
Country​
Exports​
Imports​
Total Trade​
Percent of Total Trade​
---
Total, All Countries
1,754.6
2,832.9
4,587.5
100.0%
---
Total, Top 15 Countries
1,233.3
2,205.6
3,438.9
75.0%
1​
Canada
307.6​
357.2​
664.8​
14.5%​
2​
Mexico
276.5​
384.7​
661.2​
14.4%​
3​
China
151.1​
506.4​
657.4​
14.3%​
4​
Japan
75.0​
135.1​
210.1​
4.6%​
5​
Germany
65.2​
135.2​
200.4​
4.4%​
6​
Korea, South
65.8​
95.0​
160.7​
3.5%​
7​
United Kingdom
61.5​
56.4​
117.8​
2.6%​
8​
Taiwan
36.9​
77.1​
114.1​
2.5%​
9​
India
40.1​
73.3​
113.4​
2.5%​
10​
Vietnam
10.9​
101.9​
112.9​
2.5%​
11​
Netherlands
53.6​
35.3​
88.9​
1.9%​
12​
Ireland
13.6​
73.7​
87.3​
1.9%​
13​
Switzerland
24.0​
63.0​
87.0​
1.9%​
14​
Italy
21.7​
61.0​
82.7​
1.8%​
15​
France
30.0​
50.3​
80.3​
1.8%​
The top fifteen with the possible exception of India and Viet Nam all have major stakes in Chinese manufacturing so the goods that they trade with us that have their name on them are largely and Ultimately also Chinese( are you getting it now?). The CCP requires all manufacturers who set up shop in China proper to cede 51% interest to the party which means at any time they so desire they can order the products of those factories to go wherever they want them to. Russia anyone? Hmmm...For this reason alone we are unable to float any kind of meaningful sanctions against anyone that China decides to supply....no matter with what or how much. Asking them too cooperate will get us one large middle finger...albeit with some green tea and a smile. All This talk of sanctions against Russia and the Ruble crashing are complete nonsense when you consider this set of current circumstances that we willingly allowed to develop over the past fifty years. Our landscape is virtually littered with the remains of a once great manufacturing complex now largely outsourced to guess where? Oh...and what's this? Biden has floated sanctions on the Ukraine to punish who? Russia? Bwahahaha....that's like slapping the rape victim after the rape and blaming her for being their in the first place. I wonder how the Ukrainian businesses with Biden's bank account numbers on them are doing right now?

So next....TAIWAN..... I give it less than 12 months at this point...annnnnd what are we going to do about it Hmmmm? Stop trading with China? Yeah...fat chance charlie.....it won't be the Russians or the Ukrainians who will be starving then...it will be US.

China does not have to wage all out war to do this. They merely have to make sea passage in that area next to impossible....it won't take long for the entire freaking world to get the point.

So next time somebody tells you that tariffs are a bad thing....make sure you get that spelled correctly in Mandarin writing so you can pronounce it properly for your future Chinese governor.

JO
Who do you think pays the tariff? Trump didn't know.
 

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