Could we put the lies about Biden to bed now?

Sondland testified to it.
There was a meeting. There was no investigation (as far as I can tell). The meeting took place after this was all starting to be exposed. I don't find it particularly exculpatory that Trump's scheme was exposed and he started trying to undo it.
You have proof of this scheme?
He presumed it, moron. His testimony was worthless.
Trump made himself crystal clear. We know how he operates. Like a gangster.
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
 
Yes. We both know that Biden asked the Ukrainians to fire Shokin. What we don't have is whether Burisma asked Biden to get Shokin fired. You see, if you don't have that, there is no case against Biden.


Well....We don't have a lot because the Obama admin never investigated. Gee, I wonder why...Maybe because Biden was part of that administration? Now Trump wants to find all the facts and you and the Democrats want to impeach him. Do everyone a favor and give up pretending NOT to be a flaming TDSer.

For sure. I wouldn’t expect Obama to ask his DoJ to investigate the policy he ordered. But that raises an important question. If Trump wants a legitimate investigation, why wouldn’t he go to a legitimate investigator like the DoJ? Instead Trump is using his private lawyer, using secret phone calls with Zelinsky, excising all career officials from the process and getting the Ukrainians to announce an investigation which obfuscates the fact that he requested it.

Sorry, but that behavior doesn’t fit with someone just looking for the facts.
The DOJ is full of backstabbing deep state douchebags. That's the last place he should go to have politicians and bureaucrats investigated.

I crack up every time some TDS moron makes this suggestion.

Every prosecutor and the AG serves at the pleasure and has been appointed by Trump.

Besides, the DoJ is currently investigating the origin of the Russia investigation. Can you explain why it’s good enough for that but not for investigating Biden?

Yeah, let’s go instead to the famously corrupt Ukrainian judicial system. That makes sense.

Or are you just coming up with bullshit excuses again?
Barr and Durham are investigating the origin of the Russia investigation, not the entire DOJ. They are trustworthy, not the rest of the DOJ. The later is infested with deep state backstabbers.

It's hilarious that you trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government but not the current government.

Where did I say I trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government?

You want me to believe there are two people in the DoJ that Trump trusts? You’re just making up bullshit excuses again.
 
Sondland testified to it.
You have proof of this scheme?
He presumed it, moron. His testimony was worthless.
Trump made himself crystal clear. We know how he operates. Like a gangster.
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
 
Well....We don't have a lot because the Obama admin never investigated. Gee, I wonder why...Maybe because Biden was part of that administration? Now Trump wants to find all the facts and you and the Democrats want to impeach him. Do everyone a favor and give up pretending NOT to be a flaming TDSer.

For sure. I wouldn’t expect Obama to ask his DoJ to investigate the policy he ordered. But that raises an important question. If Trump wants a legitimate investigation, why wouldn’t he go to a legitimate investigator like the DoJ? Instead Trump is using his private lawyer, using secret phone calls with Zelinsky, excising all career officials from the process and getting the Ukrainians to announce an investigation which obfuscates the fact that he requested it.

Sorry, but that behavior doesn’t fit with someone just looking for the facts.
The DOJ is full of backstabbing deep state douchebags. That's the last place he should go to have politicians and bureaucrats investigated.

I crack up every time some TDS moron makes this suggestion.

Every prosecutor and the AG serves at the pleasure and has been appointed by Trump.

Besides, the DoJ is currently investigating the origin of the Russia investigation. Can you explain why it’s good enough for that but not for investigating Biden?

Yeah, let’s go instead to the famously corrupt Ukrainian judicial system. That makes sense.

Or are you just coming up with bullshit excuses again?
Barr and Durham are investigating the origin of the Russia investigation, not the entire DOJ. They are trustworthy, not the rest of the DOJ. The later is infested with deep state backstabbers.

It's hilarious that you trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government but not the current government.

Where did I say I trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government?

You want me to believe there are two people in the DoJ that Trump trusts? You’re just making up bullshit excuses again.
They are the only people he can trust.
 
Let’s assume all that’s true (it really isn’t) Isn’t that DoJ investigating currently investigating the origin of the Russian investigation?
Are you saying Trump’s DoJ, full of his appointees hand selected by him, can investigate that but not Biden?

I’ve looked at Progressive Hunter’s video. I actually responded weeks ago with factual errors to it (there’s many). They had no interest in discussing it.

There is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion as the Obama FBI and the Obama Doj claimed even after 2+ years of investigation. As soon as Trump was elected the Democrats started carping about impeaching him. Yes, I do believe that Trump's DOJ might be more honest because he got rid of the Obama appointees. Frankly, Trump should have fired every Obama appointee, like Obama fired every Bush appointee. I saw no factual errors that would preclude the veracity of Glenn's video.

Trump came to Washington and basically upset the apple-cart and started getting rid of the rotten apples. That is why I, as a proud 'deplorable' voted for him and will do so again. I just hope that he doesn't get assasinated by looney TDSer assholes full of unbridled and unfounded hatred of him. I am amazed that people like you support that hatred.
 
Sondland testified to it.
He presumed it, moron. His testimony was worthless.
Trump made himself crystal clear. We know how he operates. Like a gangster.
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
 
He presumed it, moron. His testimony was worthless.
Trump made himself crystal clear. We know how he operates. Like a gangster.
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
 
Let’s assume all that’s true (it really isn’t) Isn’t that DoJ investigating currently investigating the origin of the Russian investigation?
Are you saying Trump’s DoJ, full of his appointees hand selected by him, can investigate that but not Biden?

I’ve looked at Progressive Hunter’s video. I actually responded weeks ago with factual errors to it (there’s many). They had no interest in discussing it.

There is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion as the Obama FBI and the Obama Doj claimed even after 2+ years of investigation. As soon as Trump was elected the Democrats started carping about impeaching him. Yes, I do believe that Trump's DOJ might be more honest because he got rid of the Obama appointees. Frankly, Trump should have fired every Obama appointee, like Obama fired every Bush appointee. I saw no factual errors that would preclude the veracity of Glenn's video.

Trump came to Washington and basically upset the apple-cart and started getting rid of the rotten apples. That is why I, as a proud 'deplorable' voted for him and will do so again. I just hope that he doesn't get assasinated by looney TDSer assholes full of unbridled and unfounded hatred of him. I am amazed that people like you support that hatred.
Cool. A lot of this doesn’t actually have anything to do with the question posed. Why would Trump be able to entrust the DoJ to investigate the Russia investigation but it would be so stupid to entrust the Biden investigation to them? It’s bit of a hole in your theory.

For starters, Beck couldn’t even correctly identify the owner of Burisma. Seems like a big oopsie to me.
 
Let’s assume all that’s true (it really isn’t) Isn’t that DoJ investigating currently investigating the origin of the Russian investigation?
Are you saying Trump’s DoJ, full of his appointees hand selected by him, can investigate that but not Biden?

I’ve looked at Progressive Hunter’s video. I actually responded weeks ago with factual errors to it (there’s many). They had no interest in discussing it.

There is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion as the Obama FBI and the Obama Doj claimed even after 2+ years of investigation. As soon as Trump was elected the Democrats started carping about impeaching him. Yes, I do believe that Trump's DOJ might be more honest because he got rid of the Obama appointees. Frankly, Trump should have fired every Obama appointee, like Obama fired every Bush appointee. I saw no factual errors that would preclude the veracity of Glenn's video.

Trump came to Washington and basically upset the apple-cart and started getting rid of the rotten apples. That is why I, as a proud 'deplorable' voted for him and will do so again. I just hope that he doesn't get assasinated by looney TDSer assholes full of unbridled and unfounded hatred of him. I am amazed that people like you support that hatred.
Cool. A lot of this doesn’t actually have anything to do with the question posed. Why would Trump be able to entrust the DoJ to investigate the Russia investigation but it would be so stupid to entrust the Biden investigation to them? It’s bit of a hole in your theory.

For starters, Beck couldn’t even correctly identify the owner of Burisma. Seems like a big oopsie to me.
As I already told you, he's not entrusting the DOJ. He's entrusting Barr and Durham.
 
Trump made himself crystal clear. We know how he operates. Like a gangster.
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
 
Let’s assume all that’s true (it really isn’t) Isn’t that DoJ investigating currently investigating the origin of the Russian investigation?
Are you saying Trump’s DoJ, full of his appointees hand selected by him, can investigate that but not Biden?

I’ve looked at Progressive Hunter’s video. I actually responded weeks ago with factual errors to it (there’s many). They had no interest in discussing it.

There is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion as the Obama FBI and the Obama Doj claimed even after 2+ years of investigation. As soon as Trump was elected the Democrats started carping about impeaching him. Yes, I do believe that Trump's DOJ might be more honest because he got rid of the Obama appointees. Frankly, Trump should have fired every Obama appointee, like Obama fired every Bush appointee. I saw no factual errors that would preclude the veracity of Glenn's video.

Trump came to Washington and basically upset the apple-cart and started getting rid of the rotten apples. That is why I, as a proud 'deplorable' voted for him and will do so again. I just hope that he doesn't get assasinated by looney TDSer assholes full of unbridled and unfounded hatred of him. I am amazed that people like you support that hatred.
Cool. A lot of this doesn’t actually have anything to do with the question posed. Why would Trump be able to entrust the DoJ to investigate the Russia investigation but it would be so stupid to entrust the Biden investigation to them? It’s bit of a hole in your theory.

For starters, Beck couldn’t even correctly identify the owner of Burisma. Seems like a big oopsie to me.
As I already told you, he's not entrusting the DOJ. He's entrusting Barr and Durham.
Yeah, and you want me to believe those are the only two people he can trust.

You know I can tell when you’re making shit up, right?
 
For sure. I wouldn’t expect Obama to ask his DoJ to investigate the policy he ordered. But that raises an important question. If Trump wants a legitimate investigation, why wouldn’t he go to a legitimate investigator like the DoJ? Instead Trump is using his private lawyer, using secret phone calls with Zelinsky, excising all career officials from the process and getting the Ukrainians to announce an investigation which obfuscates the fact that he requested it.

Sorry, but that behavior doesn’t fit with someone just looking for the facts.
The DOJ is full of backstabbing deep state douchebags. That's the last place he should go to have politicians and bureaucrats investigated.

I crack up every time some TDS moron makes this suggestion.

Every prosecutor and the AG serves at the pleasure and has been appointed by Trump.

Besides, the DoJ is currently investigating the origin of the Russia investigation. Can you explain why it’s good enough for that but not for investigating Biden?

Yeah, let’s go instead to the famously corrupt Ukrainian judicial system. That makes sense.

Or are you just coming up with bullshit excuses again?
Barr and Durham are investigating the origin of the Russia investigation, not the entire DOJ. They are trustworthy, not the rest of the DOJ. The later is infested with deep state backstabbers.

It's hilarious that you trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government but not the current government.

Where did I say I trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government?

You want me to believe there are two people in the DoJ that Trump trusts? You’re just making up bullshit excuses again.
They are the only people he can trust.
Why hasn’t he appointed a third person he can trust?

Cmon. Don’t be silly.
 
Every time you say stuff like that you only convince me that you're an idiot and a fool. If anyone acts like a gangster, it's schiffferbrains. Piglosi and Nadless are a close second.
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
You're too stupid to know that everyone McCarthy called to testify before his committee turned out to be a communist and often a Russian spy.

McCarthy was a hero who saved this country from Communist subversion.
 
The DOJ is full of backstabbing deep state douchebags. That's the last place he should go to have politicians and bureaucrats investigated.

I crack up every time some TDS moron makes this suggestion.

Every prosecutor and the AG serves at the pleasure and has been appointed by Trump.

Besides, the DoJ is currently investigating the origin of the Russia investigation. Can you explain why it’s good enough for that but not for investigating Biden?

Yeah, let’s go instead to the famously corrupt Ukrainian judicial system. That makes sense.

Or are you just coming up with bullshit excuses again?
Barr and Durham are investigating the origin of the Russia investigation, not the entire DOJ. They are trustworthy, not the rest of the DOJ. The later is infested with deep state backstabbers.

It's hilarious that you trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government but not the current government.

Where did I say I trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government?

You want me to believe there are two people in the DoJ that Trump trusts? You’re just making up bullshit excuses again.
They are the only people he can trust.
Why hasn’t he appointed a third person he can trust?

Cmon. Don’t be silly.
Barr is appointing those people.
 
Forgive me for not really caring if someone who uses terms like “Piglosi” questions my intelligence. I don’t take your opinion of me very seriously.

Trump knows exactly how gangsters work. He’s a developer from New York. He’s had to deal with them his whole career. He surrounds himself with scum bags from Manafort to Roy Cohn (look up Cohn, he’s the worst). The good people around him, like Mattis, left because Trump is legitimately a bad person.
yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
You're too stupid to know that everyone McCarthy called to testify before his committee turned out to be a communist and often a Russian spy.

McCarthy was a hero who saved this country from Communist subversion.
Who the hell told you that?
 
Every prosecutor and the AG serves at the pleasure and has been appointed by Trump.

Besides, the DoJ is currently investigating the origin of the Russia investigation. Can you explain why it’s good enough for that but not for investigating Biden?

Yeah, let’s go instead to the famously corrupt Ukrainian judicial system. That makes sense.

Or are you just coming up with bullshit excuses again?
Barr and Durham are investigating the origin of the Russia investigation, not the entire DOJ. They are trustworthy, not the rest of the DOJ. The later is infested with deep state backstabbers.

It's hilarious that you trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government but not the current government.

Where did I say I trust the even more corrupt previous Ukraine government?

You want me to believe there are two people in the DoJ that Trump trusts? You’re just making up bullshit excuses again.
They are the only people he can trust.
Why hasn’t he appointed a third person he can trust?

Cmon. Don’t be silly.
Barr is appointing those people.
It’ll soon be three years that Trump is in power. If it took him three years to find two people to trust, I’d say that’s sufficient evidence of his own incompetence.
 
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yes, he has had to deal with gangsters. They are more properly called "Democrats."

Trump parted ways with Manafort a long time ago, and I'm not aware of any crimes that Roy Cohn has committed. Obama, on the other hand, hangs out with murdering terrorists and preachers who say "God damn America."
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
You're too stupid to know that everyone McCarthy called to testify before his committee turned out to be a communist and often a Russian spy.

McCarthy was a hero who saved this country from Communist subversion.
Who the hell told you that?
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Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
You're too stupid to know that everyone McCarthy called to testify before his committee turned out to be a communist and often a Russian spy.

McCarthy was a hero who saved this country from Communist subversion.
Who the hell told you that?
Frontpagemag
I’m going to take a wild guess that you didn’t actually read the article.

Did you?
 
Again...there was no investigation of either Hunter Biden or Burisma when Joe Biden got that corrupt prosecutor removed
 
Gangsters are just gangsters mate. They were all over Manhattan.

Trump did not part ways with Manafort like you might think. They were in contact well after he left the campaign. Look into Roy Cohn. He was a terrible human being. Trump idolizes him.
Sorry, but I don't consider booting commies out of sensitive positions in the government is what makes you a terrible person.
Oh good. We found a defender of McCarthy. A person so infamous he got his own eponym, McCarthyism which is defined as:
a campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations

Don’t worry. He only got more terrible as he got older.
You're too stupid to know that everyone McCarthy called to testify before his committee turned out to be a communist and often a Russian spy.

McCarthy was a hero who saved this country from Communist subversion.
Who the hell told you that?
Frontpagemag
Since you obviously didn’t read the article, I’ll narrow it down a bit for you so you only have to read a little.

But if McCarthy was right about some of the large issues, he was wildly wrong on virtually all of the details. There is no indication that he had even a hint of the Venona decryptions, so he did not base his accusations on the information in them. Indeed, virtually none of the people that McCarthy claimed or alleged were Soviet agents turn up in Venona. He did identify a few small fry who we now know were spies but only a few. And there is little evidence that those he fingered were among the unidentified spies of Venona. Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence. He failed to recognize or understand the differences among genuine liberals, fellow-traveling liberals, Communist dupes, Communists and spies — distinctions that were important to make. The new information from Russian and American archives does not vindicate McCarthy. He remains a demagogue, whose wild charges actually made the fight against Communist subversion more difficult. Like Gresham’s Law, McCarthy’s allegations marginalized the accurate claims. Because his facts were so often wrong, real spies were able to hide behind the cover of being one of his victims and even persuade well-meaning but naïve people that the whole anti-communist cause was based on inaccuracies and hysteria.

Anyway. You’re welcome. I doubt we will see you come back to this thread but I had a good laugh.
 

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