Could the Soviets had taken Europe after the unconditional surrender of Germany?

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Look it up, look how long the US took to turn up aircraft production lines with its almost limitless woman power and industrial capacity. The Soviets were short of everything from skilled woman and children power to machine tools. Without tungsten from the US try couldn’t even make tooling for the machines they had, the Soviet high altitude fighter lines were turned off, I’m not sure they even kept the tooling and production jigs.
 
And the Soviet designs in the early war mirror that of the Germans. Most of the tanks until 1939 on both sides were largely copies of each other. But then the Germans went for super complex and heavy machines, the Soviets through a stroke of luck realized the advantage of sloped armor in the T-34. The T-34 was really not any "better" than the other tanks of the era, and the sloped armor was born of the need to use thinner inferior steel, not because it was a "super design". Just a lucky fluke that worked to their advantage.
No, it was not a successful design, they showed themselves very badly against German tanks.

In general, the advantage of the tank is evident precisely in its weight and resistance to fire. In the 30s, in the USSR and probably in other countries, the concept of deep combat was developed, this was associated precisely with armored vehicles. It was assumed that thanks to this technique, it is possible to break through the most important sectors of the front, and act there independently, this presupposes resistance to fire. This is something similar to the tactics of breaking through the infantry with heavy cavalry.

Therefore, such an economy looks like a profanation. In addition, there was poor maneuverability and visibility. For all their lightness, they were awkward and vulnerable. Their gas tanks were open, and placed right on the wings.
They could easily be undermined by any infantryman.
 
I believe that is true. German war production continued to increase despite the bombings. Also, the Russians had captured German jet and rocket technology that would have been useful against B-29s. It would have been another nightmare for all concerned.
The bombing really affected the Germans, they spent hundreds of billions of Riechmarks relocating factories underground. They had to produce ersatz motor fuel from coal which is hard and expensive because their refineries were destroyed. They had to resort to slave labor because the RAF “ dehoused” the German workers destroying their cities so workers had no place to live. German production went up because until near the end of the war Hitler refused to go to a total war economy and use women in his factories. It wasn’t until Albert Speer “rationalized” German industry by ruthlessly eliminating duplication and waste that production increased. By then he could build fighters and tanks but had no fuel to operate them. For instance, there were hundreds of Me-262s sitting at the factories without even enough fuel to move them to operational squadrons that critically needed them.
German jet technology wouldn’t do the Soviets any good, they lacked the materials to produce the engines. Even under the best circumstances German jet engines only had a life of about twenty hours and the Germans were a long way from effective SAMs and the Soviets lacked the electronics industry to build the a German designs. In the real world, the Soviets only achieved decent jet fighters by using copies of the post-war British Nene engine that the Attlee government gave them. None of the copied German engines were reliable or powerful enough. Unlike in the US, the captured German scientists and engineers in the forties were slaves and slaves don’t produce much for their masters.
 
I believe that is true. German war production continued to increase despite the bombings. Also, the Russians had captured German jet and rocket technology that would have been useful against B-29s. It would have been another nightmare for all concerned.
The bombing really affected the Germans, they spent hundreds of billions of Riechmarks relocating factories underground. They had to produce ersatz motor fuel from coal which is hard and expensive because their refineries were destroyed. They had to resort to slave labor because the RAF “ dehoused” the German workers destroying their cities so workers had no place to live. German production went up because until near the end of the war Hitler refused to go to a total war economy and use women in his factories. It wasn’t until Albert Speer “rationalized” German industry by ruthlessly eliminating duplication and waste that production increased. By then he could build fighters and tanks but had no fuel to operate them. For instance, there were hundreds of Me-262s sitting at the factories without even enough fuel to move them to operational squadrons that critically needed them.
German jet technology wouldn’t do the Soviets any good, they lacked the materials to produce the engines. Even under the best circumstances German jet engines only had a life of about twenty hours and the Germans were a long way from effective SAMs and the Soviets lacked the electronics industry to build the a German designs. In the real world, the Soviets only achieved decent jet fighters by using copies of the post-war British Nene engine that the Attlee government gave them. None of the copied German engines were reliable or powerful enough. Unlike in the US, the captured German scientists and engineers in the forties were slaves and slaves don’t produce much for their masters
 
Both operated cheap, flimsy, low powered fighters because both lacked the powerful engines that the US, UK and Germany used to power their fighters.

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Oh, and I am sure that you alto think they were all small, had buck teeth, and wore glasses.

"Cheap, flimsy, low powered".

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Just give up, you just literally shot off your foot by even attempting to make that claim. Even the US Experts that finally got their hands on a disabled A6M in 1942 praised the design. The fighter dominated all battles it was in until the F6F Hellcat came out in 1942. I am finding it almost comical that you are actually trying to claim that the Japanese made "cheap, flimsy, low powered" aircraft.

The fighter pilots are very disappointed with the performance and length of sustained fire power of the F4F-4 airplanes. The Zero fighters could easily outmaneuver and out-climb the F4F-3, and the consensus of fighter pilot opinion is that the F4F-4 is even more sluggish and slow than the F4F-3. It is also felt that it was a mistake to put 6 guns on the F4F-4 and thus to reduce the rounds per gun. Many of our fighters ran out of ammunition even before the Jap dive bombers arrived over our forces; these were experienced pilots, not novices
After action report of the CO of the USS Yorktown after the Battle of Midway.

And many of the things the US experts praised when they finally got their hands on one were things Japan was doing years before the US did. Like flush rivets, gun nozzles being flush with the wing instead of protruding from it, and that it had not only an exceptionally low stall speed, the controls would stiffen up as speed increased to give the pilot even greater control.

And their smaller engines were used for two reasons. The plane even fully loaded weighed half of a comparable US fighter, and was much more maneuverable. And the light weight gave them exceptional performance. As in, up to eight hours flying time (over 50% more than comparable US fighters).
 
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Oh, and I am sure that you alto think they were all small, had buck teeth, and wore glasses.

"Cheap, flimsy, low powered".

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Just give up, you just literally shot off your foot by even attempting to make that claim. Even the US Experts that finally got their hands on a disabled A6M in 1942 praised the design. The fighter dominated all battles it was in until the F6F Hellcat came out in 1942. I am finding it almost comical that you are actually trying to claim that the Japanese made "cheap, flimsy, low powered" aircraft.


After action report of the CO of the USS Yorktown after the Battle of Midway.

And many of the things the US experts praised when they finally got their hands on one were things Japan was doing years before the US did. Like flush rivets, gun nozzles being flush with the wing instead of protruding from it, and that it had not only an exceptionally low stall speed, the controls would stiffen up as speed increased to give the pilot even greater control.

And their smaller engines were used for two reasons. The plane even fully loaded weighed half of a comparable US fighter, and was much more maneuverable. And the light weight gave them exceptional performance. As in, up to eight hours flying time (over 50% more than comparable US fighters).

Did the Zero have a problem flying upside down or something? The carburetors couldn't handle it?
 
Did the Zero have a problem flying upside down or something? The carburetors couldn't handle it?

Not really, and there is very little need to fly upside down anyways.

However, it was lightly armored, and lacked self-sealing fuel tanks.

But even towards the end of the first quarter century of the 21st century, I find it fascinating that some still believe that Japan could only make garbage equipment.

Which was never true. After all, it is also the nation that made the submarine aircraft carrier, and the largest battleships ever and the largest aircraft carrier of the time.

And while much less well known than the A6M Zero, the N2K Rex and later N1K2 George were considered by many as the finest land based fighter of the war. It could even frequently beat the best US fighters thrown at it, but it was purely a land based fighter, so not seen anywhere near as often as the more versatile Zero.
 
and the Japanese found it nearly impossible to intercept B-29s at altitude



Feel free to forward to around the 17 minute mark, where they are interviewing an American B-29 pilot, Where he talked about the routine Japanese tactic of attacking by diving down onto American B-29 formations.

And then feel free to tell me again how the Japanese could not intercept American bombers.
 
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Oh, and I am sure that you alto think they were all small, had buck teeth, and wore glasses.

"Cheap, flimsy, low powered".

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Just give up, you just literally shot off your foot by even attempting to make that claim. Even the US Experts that finally got their hands on a disabled A6M in 1942 praised the design. The fighter dominated all battles it was in until the F6F Hellcat came out in 1942. I am finding it almost comical that you are actually trying to claim that the Japanese made "cheap, flimsy, low powered" aircraft.


After action report of the CO of the USS Yorktown after the Battle of Midway.

And many of the things the US experts praised when they finally got their hands on one were things Japan was doing years before the US did. Like flush rivets, gun nozzles being flush with the wing instead of protruding from it, and that it had not only an exceptionally low stall speed, the controls would stiffen up as speed increased to give the pilot even greater control.

And their smaller engines were used for two reasons. The plane even fully loaded weighed half of a comparable US fighter, and was much more maneuverable. And the light weight gave them exceptional performance. As in, up to eight hours flying time (over 50% more than comparable US fighters).
The A6M was low powered and flimsy. You've got things backwards, the Japanese had to build light planes because they didn't build high powered engines before 1944. Zeros only dominated aerial combat prior to May 1942. At Coral Sea Zeros were already taking prohibitive losses against Wildcats. The "superiority" of the Zero was more a factor of the IJNAF having the best pilots in the world in 1941 and 1942. Once the allies stopped underestimating the Japanese pilots Japanse losses soared. The only recessed gun barrels on Japanese fighters were cooling guns that were too short to protrude beyond the engine. The wing cannon's barrels in the wings protruded beyond the leading edges of the wings. The Zero had large wings which gave it its low stall speed, but they limited its top speed the aerlions getting heavier at high speed was a design flaw, not an advantage at speeds over two hundred fifty knots even a Wildcat could outmaneuver a Zero. The Oscar was even worse. Japan didn't produce a good fighter until the IJA's Ki-61 Tony with its license built DB-601 engine, the IJN had to wait for the Shiden with its brittle landing gear and unreliable engine. The Zero did have great range, but it was achieved by making the plane a death trap. No self sealing fuel tanks, no armor, very light structure, often not even a radio. The US got equal or superior range out of survivible aircraft like P-38Ls, P-51Hs and P-47Ns. The Zero's "superiority" was a myth, and it's fragility killed most of the expert IJN pilots by the end of 1943.
 
Not really, and there is very little need to fly upside down anyways.

However, it was lightly armored, and lacked self-sealing fuel tanks.

But even towards the end of the first quarter century of the 21st century, I find it fascinating that some still believe that Japan could only make garbage equipment.

Which was never true. After all, it is also the nation that made the submarine aircraft carrier, and the largest battleships ever and the largest aircraft carrier of the time.

And while much less well known than the A6M Zero, the N2K Rex and later N1K2 George were considered by many as the finest land based fighter of the war. It could even frequently beat the best US fighters thrown at it, but it was purely a land based fighter, so not seen anywhere near as often as the more versatile Zero.
In late 1944 the Japanese were finally building world class fighters like the George and Frank because they were finally producing two thousand horsepower class engines. Both the Frank and especially the George had serviceability problems due to poor build quality and inferior materials. The Japanese could build quality equipment, but usually didn't. For instance, the Diesel engine used in the Type 97 Medium tank was a great engine, but the tank was riveted and flimsy. Japanese destroyers were great, but their subs sucked. The only modern light cruisers they built had almost no armor, light gun armament and were more oversized destroyers than cruisers. The Japanese couldn't afford the resources to build large numbers of quality products. Japan was a small, poor country that depended on importing everything except coal for a modern economy.
The US experts were astonished by the captured Zero because they underestimated the ability of Japanese designers.
 


Feel free to forward to around the 17 minute mark, where they are interviewing an American B-29 pilot, Where he talked about the routine Japanese tactic of attacking by diving down onto American B-29 formations.

And then feel free to tell me again how the Japanese could not intercept American bombers.

Yeah, small numbers of interceptions doing little damage. The only reason the Georges were able to claw up to altitude was getting nearly an hour's warning of incoming raids. Given that much warning a P-40 could climb that high. The video even remarks they had to move far from the coast to gain time to climb for intercepts. At altitude, the B-29s were nearly as fast as a George, so the George could make ONE diving pass per mission before the bombers were too far away to attack. That's not making effective interceptions. A diving attack was the only method that would work beam or tail attacks were ineffective.
 
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The A6M was low powered and flimsy.

You obviously know nothing about it at all, or the design requirements.

At that time, there were many conflicting theories as to what would make the best fighter. Some saw strength as most important, others thought it was having the biggest guns or highest speed. Japan took the idea that it was making the most maneuverable fighter.

Which means a lighter weight. And at the time, they were right, the Zero dominated against every opponent they went against for years, even the US. And as was seen in the N1K they then changed to follow the US ideas in the later war. More and bigger guns, and more armor protecting the pilot. And they still made a superior plane to what the US was using. They simply did it so late in the war that they could never make very many of them.

But "Flimsy"? You are aware that was part of the design, right?

On a monowing fighter, airflow over the wings can lead to a "Wingtip Stall" (also known as "washout"), which can cause catastrophic failures and crashed aircraft. US planes were well known as suffering from this. However, the A5M and A6M series were designed with this in mind, and the wing when coming to this kind of angle would flex and twist, allowing airflow to resume and not allow the aircraft to stall as easily.

Not unlike the purpose of a canard wing in later jets.

"Low powered", yet it had a maximum speed of 331 mph, cruise speed of 207 mph, and a rate of climb of over 3,000 feet per second.

In comparison, the equivalent US carrier aircraft (F4F Wildcat) had a maximum speed of 331 mph, cruise speed of 205, and a rate of climb of 2,300 feet per second.

Funny, the "low powered" Japanese aircraft meets of exceeds the performance in all areas of the more "powerful" American aircraft.

And in a power/mass formulation, the A6M comes out at 0.294 KW/kg. A much higher ratio than the F4F Wildcat of 0.282 KW/kg. And in a Power to Weight Ratio, the higher the better. So once again, just by actual facts I can easily show that you are wrong.

But please, give us some actual data other than your own claims.
 
Not really, and there is very little need to fly upside down anyways.

However, it was lightly armored, and lacked self-sealing fuel tanks.

But even towards the end of the first quarter century of the 21st century, I find it fascinating that some still believe that Japan could only make garbage equipment.

Which was never true. After all, it is also the nation that made the submarine aircraft carrier, and the largest battleships ever and the largest aircraft carrier of the time.

And while much less well known than the A6M Zero, the N2K Rex and later N1K2 George were considered by many as the finest land based fighter of the war. It could even frequently beat the best US fighters thrown at it, but it was purely a land based fighter, so not seen anywhere near as often as the more versatile Zero.
The Rex was floatplane fighter. The two models of the George were never considered the finest land based fighter of the war, but it was considered to be one of the very few Japanese aircraft to have an even chance against modern US fighters. Georges could have been good aircraft, but a large percentage were lost in landing accidents due to brittle landing gear snapping on landing. I've read that George pilots preferred to land on the grass near their runways rather than the hard concrete runways.
 
For instance, the Diesel engine used in the Type 97 Medium tank was a great engine, but the tank was riveted and flimsy.

Japan was simply one of the nations that never saw the need for tanks. And looking at who they were fighting and where, that makes sense.

Either it was against a very poorly armed and equipped Chinese Army where even their poor tanks were far superior to the Chinese Tanks (a joke, China had almost no tanks). Or on the islands in the Pacific where they was really no real use for tanks in the first place. Hence, in later battles the tanks were most often buried in the sand and made into pillboxes.

When you are fighting over an island that has rough terrain and very few large flat areas, what use is a tank? Japan knew this, so never wasted the time and resources to improve them. They could have had 100 Tiger II tanks at Okinawa or Iwo Jima, it would have made absolutely no impact on those battles.

However, interestingly there is one area they were the best at. And that was in amphibious tanks. The Type 2 Ka-mi and Type 3 Ka-Chi were both excellent designs, far better than anything any other country produced at the time.

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One aspect of the Type 3 never really used was that it could even be deployed and recovered by submarines at sea. All in all, vastly superior to the closest the US ever deployed (and worked), the LVT.

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Or the "DD Tank", used at Normandy.

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Of course, we know how well those worked at Omaha. 27 of the first 29 of them sank before they even reached the beach. Of the eight launched as part of Operation Dragoon, only six made it to shore.

YOu see, this is the problem with trying to prove such silly claims, they all fail when looked at logically and with actual knowledge of the equipment. Not just making generic statements with nothing to back it up.
 
You obviously know nothing about it at all, or the design requirements.

At that time, there were many conflicting theories as to what would make the best fighter. Some saw strength as most important, others thought it was having the biggest guns or highest speed. Japan took the idea that it was making the most maneuverable fighter.

Which means a lighter weight. And at the time, they were right, the Zero dominated against every opponent they went against for years, even the US. And as was seen in the N1K they then changed to follow the US ideas in the later war. More and bigger guns, and more armor protecting the pilot. And they still made a superior plane to what the US was using. They simply did it so late in the war that they could never make very many of them.

But "Flimsy"? You are aware that was part of the design, right?

On a monowing fighter, airflow over the wings can lead to a "Wingtip Stall" (also known as "washout"), which can cause catastrophic failures and crashed aircraft. US planes were well known as suffering from this. However, the A5M and A6M series were designed with this in mind, and the wing when coming to this kind of angle would flex and twist, allowing airflow to resume and not allow the aircraft to stall as easily.

Not unlike the purpose of a canard wing in later jets.

"Low powered", yet it had a maximum speed of 331 mph, cruise speed of 207 mph, and a rate of climb of over 3,000 feet per second.

In comparison, the equivalent US carrier aircraft (F4F Wildcat) had a maximum speed of 331 mph, cruise speed of 205, and a rate of climb of 2,300 feet per second.

Funny, the "low powered" Japanese aircraft meets of exceeds the performance in all areas of the more "powerful" American aircraft.

And in a power/mass formulation, the A6M comes out at 0.294 KW/kg. A much higher ratio than the F4F Wildcat of 0.282 KW/kg. And in a Power to Weight Ratio, the higher the better. So once again, just by actual facts I can easily show that you are wrong.

But please, give us some actual data other than your own claims.
But the Wildcat would bring its pilot home where the Zero wouldn't. Durability and survivability were part of the design for Grumman, only range and maneuverability were the design constraints for Mitsubishi. In 194o the Japanese didn't have a single thousand horsepower class engine and the US had several.

If the IJN had been flying Wildcats instead of Zeros, it would have still had large numbers of veteran pilots in 1944 instead of literally a double handful.
 
Japan was simply one of the nations that never saw the need for tanks. And looking at who they were fighting and where, that makes sense.

Either it was against a very poorly armed and equipped Chinese Army where even their poor tanks were far superior to the Chinese Tanks (a joke, China had almost no tanks). Or on the islands in the Pacific where they was really no real use for tanks in the first place. Hence, in later battles the tanks were most often buried in the sand and made into pillboxes.

When you are fighting over an island that has rough terrain and very few large flat areas, what use is a tank? Japan knew this, so never wasted the time and resources to improve them. They could have had 100 Tiger II tanks at Okinawa or Iwo Jima, it would have made absolutely no impact on those battles.

However, interestingly there is one area they were the best at. And that was in amphibious tanks. The Type 2 Ka-mi and Type 3 Ka-Chi were both excellent designs, far better than anything any other country produced at the time.

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One aspect of the Type 3 never really used was that it could even be deployed and recovered by submarines at sea. All in all, vastly superior to the closest the US ever deployed (and worked), the LVT.

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Or the "DD Tank", used at Normandy.

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Of course, we know how well those worked at Omaha. 27 of the first 29 of them sank before they even reached the beach. Of the eight launched as part of Operation Dragoon, only six made it to shore.

YOu see, this is the problem with trying to prove such silly claims, they all fail when looked at logically and with actual knowledge of the equipment. Not just making generic statements with nothing to back it up.
Both Japanese amphibious were built in tiny numbers, I believe less than a hundred in total and were pretty worthless as tanks with thin armor and small guns. The LVT(A) was just as well armored, just as seaworthy and built in huge numbers. The DD tanks worked quite well under most conditions, the ones lost on D Day were launched further out and in rougher water than they were designed to handle. While they were inferior to the Japanese amphibious as boats, they were far superior to them as tanks. There was nothing wrong with the flotation system, the Swedish Strv 103, US Bradley and the Sheridan light tank all use similar systems.

oh and the Japanese army wasn’t intended to fight on islands, it was intended to fight on the Asian mainland and was intended to face a Soviet forces, not just lightly armed Chinese. The Japanese were very poorly equipped and trained for amphibious invasions and island operations.
 
They had very few and they were unstable, under armed and underarmed. By the time the Soviets could ramp up to mass produce any of them, their factories would be in ruins and their armies starved into submission. You can’t just turn on the spigot and start producing aircraft, even ones of an existing design. The Soviets lacked the engines for one thing and all their octane boosters and a very large percentage of their aviation fuel came from Lend Lease which would stop immediately when war started. Without Lend Lease the Soviets couldn’t even feed the Red Army and even with it Soviet civilians were living on near starvation rations that were unhealthy. There wasn’t much food and no fuel to be gleaned in Germany, Eastern and Western Europe, so using local supplies would be out and any attempt to seize what little there was would result in large scale revolt and partisan action wasting even more ammo and fuel.

The Soviets relied entirely on aviation fuel boosters imported from Britain and the US to even get their planes off the ground; early on they rely on imported British aircraft engines as well.
 
Not really, and there is very little need to fly upside down anyways.

However, it was lightly armored, and lacked self-sealing fuel tanks.

But even towards the end of the first quarter century of the 21st century, I find it fascinating that some still believe that Japan could only make garbage equipment.

Which was never true. After all, it is also the nation that made the submarine aircraft carrier, and the largest battleships ever and the largest aircraft carrier of the time.

And while much less well known than the A6M Zero, the N2K Rex and later N1K2 George were considered by many as the finest land based fighter of the war. It could even frequently beat the best US fighters thrown at it, but it was purely a land based fighter, so not seen anywhere near as often as the more versatile Zero.

"First, it was nearly impossible to perform rolls at moderately high speeds. This meant that forcing the enemy into such a maneuver would confer a tactical advantage to Allied pilots. Second, a poorly designed carburetor caused the engine to sputter badly when the plane was placed into a dive at a high rate of speed. Thus, forcing the Zeroes to dive during a dogfight might make them easy targets for Allied gunners."



I wish you guys would post some links to back up what you're saying. Lots of misinformation out there.
 
I wish you guys would post some links to back up what you're saying. Lots of misinformation out there.

You mean maybe like this one?



Something I found very enjoyable, a 4 hour documentary all about the design, strengths, and weaknesses of the A6M, in addition to conversations with surviving pilots on both sides of the conflict.

And the reason I said no is because of one of the most common tactics of the Japanese in a dogfight. Where they would go into two back to back loops when chased by an American aircraft. And because of the tighter turning radius would come out of the second one behind the American.

The best advice from almost all Allied pilots when facing the Zero was almost always the same though. Just do not even try to dogfight it. Use your speed to get away, or just make a single pass and get out of their range before they can try and pursue you.
 
First, it was nearly impossible to perform rolls at moderately high speeds.

Once again, something they never needed to do very often, it was not needed. With their tighter turning radius they used other tactics.

And yes, I am very aware of the report written after the recovery at Dutch Harbor. And how one of the most important suggestions was to just shoot up the wings then fly away at high speed. Without self-sealing fuel tanks that almost guaranteed that the aircraft would eventually go down. And it helped pressure the advance of the F6F Hellcat.
 
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