Could North Carolina trial force Proportional Representation onto states?

[frigidweirdo]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

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"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Supreme Court has ruled several times that race based congressional districts are unconstitutional

 

[TemplarKormac]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

uk.yahoo.com

"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

Redistricting should be random. That's the way I see it. Districts should be cycled between representatives every 8 years.

That's my take, at least.

 

[cnm]

It could be done now, from my reading of the US Constitution. I suggest you don't hold your breath.

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Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.​

Where is this right written down? Absolutely not everyone has the right to vote in the US.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It is based on the district, as it should be.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Supreme Court has ruled several times that race based congressional districts are unconstitutional

Sure. And what happens if people keep going to court and saying "hey, this district has more black people than that one, it's not fair"?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Redistricting should be random. That's the way I see it. Districts should be cycled between representatives every 8 years.

That's my take, at least.

Why should it be random? Why not just group everyone together?

For example.

In 2024 Republicans got 52.78% of the votes and Democrats 42.8% of the votes.

Republicans got 10 seats, Democrats got 4.

Had they just added up the votes, then the Republicans would have got 7.38 seats and the Democrats 5.992% of the seats.

In other words it might have been 8-6 seats for the Republicans. That seems fairer than doing it by districts which then just randomizes the whole process. It's luck.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It is based on the district, as it should be.

Why?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why?

You have to explain why not. You want to change the status quo.

 

[Independent thinker]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

uk.yahoo.com

"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

The only way to fairly do re-districting is to use a different method than partisans drawing their own maps. And that goes for both parties.

 

[Edgetho]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

uk.yahoo.com

"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

There were special laws passed by the US Congress and signed by POTUS that regulate how certain Southern States can re-district. Not in the mood to look them up.

That is very likely what this is about. Everybody else Gerrymanders like crazy. All the time. Every time

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Sure. And what happens if people keep going to court and saying "hey, this district has more black people than that one, it's not fair"?

It has been done

 

[BackAgain]

OP at least has the second half of its username right.

A complaint (legit or not) about gerrymandering has **** all to do with the libtarded desire for “proportional representation.”

 

[Missourian]

Could North Carolina trial force Proportional Representation onto states?

No.

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[Missourian]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

uk.yahoo.com

"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

Didn't like Jackson MS or Montgomery AL just sue to DEMAND majority minority districts?

 

[BlindBoo]

Proportional representation is detested by the two parties in our system. The monied elite will never let their "press" even talk about it like it was a serious proposal. It would end Jerrymandering and put a hurt on the two parties feeding at the trough of the wanna be oligarchs. We might as well, I mean, our government can't get much more dysfunctional.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You have to explain why not. You want to change the status quo.

Great ******* conversation. Not.

Can't be bothered. If you're going to respond like this, I wonder why you even get up in the ******* morning.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Proportional representation is detested by the two parties in our system. The monied elite will never let their "press" even talk about it like it was a serious proposal. It would end Jerrymandering and put a hurt on the two parties feeding at the trough of the wanna be oligarchs. We might as well, I mean, our government can't get much more dysfunctional.

Yes, one of the reasons why do few people even know what it is, is because they haven't been told to like it.

FPTP is the system the rich like, because it's the system they can control the most. Beyond a dictatorship or something.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Great ******* conversation. Not.

Can't be bothered. If you're going to respond like this, I wonder why you even get up in the ******* morning.

So you have no idea what is going on. No problem.

 

[Captain Caveman]

North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina congressional and legislative districts drawn by Republicans that helped them retain majorities in Raleigh and Washington are in court, as federal lawsuits ac...

uk.yahoo.com

"North Carolina redistricting trial begins, with racial gerrymandering allegations the focus"

Essentially, if you draw up districts and it's found that one race or one group of people is found to be at a disadvantage, then there's a problem. You could, I supposed, have racial districts, but that smacks of segregation. Could a ruling in favor of the NAACP mean that the only FAIR way of doing this is actually that everyone in the state votes and then the seats are handed out based on ALL THE VOTES in the state, rather than just based on districts which have been notoriously gerrymander in North Carolina.

Everyone has the right to a vote, surely it should be FAIR and EQUAL, not distorted by politicians.

Doesn't matter what system you have, there will always be a group of whiners.