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What? Lol. What promises did our criminal warmongering government make to Britain during WWII?Not correct. Do you think US promises mean anything? Lol.He offered Churchill very nice terms
History made it pretty clear that Herr Hitler's 'promises' promise absolutely nothing.
There is no way Britain as we know it would have survived a treaty with Hitler.
They did in World War II. The US gave billions in aid to Britain, Billions more in loans. Over one million soldiers came to the UK to spearhead the invasion of Europe. 104,000 Americans died liberating Europe.
I would say America exceeded its promises and then some.
What? Lol. What promises did our criminal warmongering government make to Britain during WWII?Not correct. Do you think US promises mean anything? Lol.He offered Churchill very nice terms
History made it pretty clear that Herr Hitler's 'promises' promise absolutely nothing.
There is no way Britain as we know it would have survived a treaty with Hitler.
They did in World War II. The US gave billions in aid to Britain, Billions more in loans. Over one million soldiers came to the UK to spearhead the invasion of Europe. 104,000 Americans died liberating Europe.
I would say America exceeded its promises and then some.
I believe FDR made promises to Poland before the war. All quickly forgotten.
Talk to the Indian tribes about US government promises.
Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
It should have, since the old bulldog was a maniacal bloodthirsty warmonger.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
...suggesting the US should have sided with Hitler & Nazi Germany,
"The French Navy was left untouched."
Hitler was an ally of Russia...
Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
The NHS made the UK a beacon in the modern world. Far better than killing loads of blacks and asians in order to steal their riches.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
Fortunately, the British-left abandoned Churchhill the moment they no longer needed him and pursued policies that eventually made Great Britain a minor nation in the world.
The NHS made the UK a beacon in the modern world. Far better than killing loads of blacks and asians in order to steal their riches.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
Fortunately, the British-left abandoned Churchhill the moment they no longer needed him and pursued policies that eventually made Great Britain a minor nation in the world.
Yes well, that was because there wasn't much of the French fleet left to 'touch' after the British had destroyed it....suggesting the US should have sided with Hitler & Nazi Germany,
"The French Navy was left untouched."
You have the reading comprehension of an 8-year-old. Nobody "suggested" that the U.S. "should" have "sided" with Hitler.
As for the French Navy, the Germans never touched the French fleet. I said that "The French Navy was left untouched" in the context of how Germany seized French tanks, artillery, rifles, ammunition, oil, and aircraft. Learn context, dumbass.
Yes well, that was because there wasn't much of the French fleet left to 'touch' after the British had destroyed it....suggesting the US should have sided with Hitler & Nazi Germany,
"The French Navy was left untouched."
You have the reading comprehension of an 8-year-old. Nobody "suggested" that the U.S. "should" have "sided" with Hitler.
As for the French Navy, the Germans never touched the French fleet. I said that "The French Navy was left untouched" in the context of how Germany seized French tanks, artillery, rifles, ammunition, oil, and aircraft. Learn context, dumbass.
You make it sound like there was still a viable French fleet.
It's bad enough when Trumpsters spout scrap about their own country, but when they go global they really show their ignorance.The NHS made the UK a beacon in the modern world. Far better than killing loads of blacks and asians in order to steal their riches.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
Fortunately, the British-left abandoned Churchhill the moment they no longer needed him and pursued policies that eventually made Great Britain a minor nation in the world.
Yea, in 50 years England will be ruled by an Islamic caliphate. Congratulations.
Yet Russia supplied Nazi Germany with lots of material, prior to Operation Barbarossa.Hitler was an ally of Russia...
Are you serious, Clark? LOL. They were never "allies". They signed a bullshit agreement to not kill each other. They were not "allies".
Why are you so unwilling to take learning from people who are your betters ? You spout shit,get schooled and then lash out with gibberish. Perfect example of a trumper.The NHS made the UK a beacon in the modern world. Far better than killing loads of blacks and asians in order to steal their riches.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
Fortunately, the British-left abandoned Churchhill the moment they no longer needed him and pursued policies that eventually made Great Britain a minor nation in the world.
Yea, in 50 years England will be ruled by an Islamic caliphate. Congratulations.
.It's bad enough when Trumpsters spout scrap about their own country, but when they go global they really show their ignorance.The NHS made the UK a beacon in the modern world. Far better than killing loads of blacks and asians in order to steal their riches.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
Fortunately, the British-left abandoned Churchhill the moment they no longer needed him and pursued policies that eventually made Great Britain a minor nation in the world.
Yea, in 50 years England will be ruled by an Islamic caliphate. Congratulations.
Muslims make up 4.4% of UK pop. Of them, there are 9 subgroups ranging from Pakistan, Bangladeshi, Arab, White British, etc. There are no Muslim political parties that could take power and they would have to do some serious breading, but as all research shows that having moved to the UK they tend to fall into line with their fellow Brits and reduce the numbers of offsprings.
Just because you hear on Fox News that Sadiq Khan (a Muslim) had been elected Mayor of London and is being overrun. You need to consider that even in London Muslims represent only 12% of the pop. So he was elected mainly non-Muslims.
So keep your Trumpster anti-Muslim racist shit out of our country you disgusting a-hole.
Yet Russia supplied Nazi Germany with lots of material, prior to Operation Barbarossa.Hitler was an ally of Russia...
Are you serious, Clark? LOL. They were never "allies". They signed a bullshit agreement to not kill each other. They were not "allies".
And just to add, - your thread title is a dumb contradiction you can't "force" peace on an unwilling recipient.
Except it wasn't that, that compelled the Japanese to surrender but the knowledge that two weeks prior the Soviets had declared war on Japan routed them in Manchuria and had their tanks on the coast of the Sea of Japan within the distance of invasion. The decision facing Hirohito was unconditional surrender to Americans, but keep Emperor, or suffer invasion by the Soviets and goodbye Emperor?And just to add, - your thread title is a dumb contradiction you can't "force" peace on an unwilling recipient.
Au contraire, mon frere.
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it wasn't that, that compelled the Japanese to surrender but the knowledge that two weeks prior the Soviets had declared war on Japan
Churchill was a great orator and frontman and a true world statesman, but he was an imperialist at the end of empire born into privilege, and ruling through privilege.Churchill lost that election because Labour had better policies. Homes fit for heroes,NHS, welfare state. All of these transformed the UK from a near feudal backward society. Having fought two world wars the British working class were keen to win the peace as well. It was no comment on Churhills work in the war.Ok, so you gents are confident that, in spite of all of western Europe making peace with the Germans, that the British people would have remained committed to all-out war with Germany. That may be correct, although we'll never know for sure, which is what makes these types of speculative threads interesting.
I think the Brits under Churchill and the other pols were pretty obstinate and had been at this game a long long time. They also weren't stupid about Stalin, but Hitler made them shift their priorities temporarily. They went right back to The Great Game of surrounding Russia with enemies as soon as Germany was finished. Leopards don't change their spots, as the old say8ing goes, and the Russians were always expansionists; becoming 'Reds' didn't change that fundamental fact about them. They still are today as well. All the dictatorships are.
Perhaps but, shortly after the end of the war, the British voters largely opposed Churchill and his fellow conservatives. I maintain my belief that, had Hitler pulled his forces out of western Europe and made peace, the British people would NOT have supported all-out war against Germany. They would rightly ask, why should hundreds of thousands (or millions) of British boys die for Poland? The fact that the conservatives did so poorly in the elections right after the end of WW2 lends credence to my theory, or so I believe.
