Congratulations to the President. Trump's tariffs are winning...

//* The annual rate of increase has slowed, stopped. Doing the right thing works. Give it time. Its a big ship to turn. Enjoy your success, even a small win in the right direction. Ignore the dirty media or Board Stain *//

Key Trends (2014–2025):
2014: Trade deficit of -$792 billion
2015: -$813 billion
2016: -$799 billion
2017: -$862 billion
2018: -$950 billion
2019: -$924 billion
2020: -$982 billion
2021: -$1.18 trillion
2022: -$1.31 trillion
2023: -$1.25 trillion (estimated)
2024: -$1.12 trillion (estimated)
2025 (11 months): -$936.45 billio


U.S. trade deficit totaled $901 billion in 2025 despite Trump’s tariffs

 
Imagine if he tried to run for office today. He and Tip O'Neil were good friends. They'd consider Ronnie a RINO.
He'd be vaporized by MAGAist's for suggesting immigrant amnesty.
 
I felt it did need to be spelled out, mainly because it was the one thing, besides vagueness, which is easily rectified, that would make your criterion meaningless. Your criterion has several flaws but none that would make the discussion meaningless. This one did. So I spelled it out.

Yes for discussion purposes one is good. If we hash it out, we can add another one.

So, I'll try to steelman the argument I think you're going to make. I'm not trying to strawman you and feel free to correct what I get wrong, and add to what I miss.


You will say, and this is as short as I know how to make it. That deporting illegals frees up jobs for Americans and that restricting immigration afterwarths will reduce the labor pool thereby increasing wages for the middle class.

Now feel free to add or subtract to it.

Pretty good. I will add that I expect the increasing wages to begin almost immediately, ie not AFTER teh deportations are complete, but as soon as the supply of labor is tightened.

And maybe try to steelman a rebuttal?

I think playing devil's advocate helps with perspective. If you'd indulge me ?

I will try, based on what I have heard from the Open Border crowd....


1. These are jobs that Americans don't want to do/automation will replace those jobs soon enough anyways.

2. Employers need them to function.

3. Rising wages will cause inflation, so no real gain.

4. And it's racist.


How do you feel I did? Anything to add or subtract.
 
DHIs tariffs lost in a 6 -3 SCOTUS Decision.
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... for our former friends, allies and trading partners.

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Canada Leads New 40-Nation Trade Bloc
Carney Surprises Trump With 40-Nation Alliance Against MAGA
Can smaller economies really create a new world trade order? Yes, they can.

...further formalizing Prime Minister Mark Carney’s trade diversification strategy — an alliance among Canada, the 27-member European Union and the 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc — is now under negotiation, with Canada spearheading the talks.

And, in the face of an apparent divide-and-conquer strategy from Washington against CUSMA’s other two signatories, the Carney government has this week deployed a 370-person business delegation to Mexico led by Canada-U.S. Trade Minister Dominic Leblanc.

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Europe, Canada, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, South Korea, the European Union, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Uruguay, Saudi America, Mexico. That's a good start.

Now that America is viewed as essentially a Mafia organization -- you'd better deal with us only if you absolutely HAVE to -- we have done the world a favor by demonstrating that we're not needed as much as the world thought. That will help us hide from everyone as much as possible. American exporters will suffer for this, but they're just commie whiners!

Trump's "**** you, you need us more than we need you, so we're going to insult, mock, troll, namecall, threaten and punish you all we want, so tough shit" foreign policy is Winning!
why did they wait till now?
 
... for our former friends, allies and trading partners.

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Canada Leads New 40-Nation Trade Bloc
Carney Surprises Trump With 40-Nation Alliance Against MAGA
Can smaller economies really create a new world trade order? Yes, they can.

...further formalizing Prime Minister Mark Carney’s trade diversification strategy — an alliance among Canada, the 27-member European Union and the 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc — is now under negotiation, with Canada spearheading the talks.

And, in the face of an apparent divide-and-conquer strategy from Washington against CUSMA’s other two signatories, the Carney government has this week deployed a 370-person business delegation to Mexico led by Canada-U.S. Trade Minister Dominic Leblanc.

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Europe, Canada, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, South Korea, the European Union, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Uruguay, Saudi America, Mexico. That's a good start.

Now that America is viewed as essentially a Mafia organization -- you'd better deal with us only if you absolutely HAVE to -- we have done the world a favor by demonstrating that we're not needed as much as the world thought. That will help us hide from everyone as much as possible. American exporters will suffer for this, but they're just commie whiners!

Trump's "**** you, you need us more than we need you, so we're going to insult, mock, troll, namecall, threaten and punish you all we want, so tough shit" foreign policy is Winning!
TRANSLATION: "UNTIL TRUMP FREED THESE NATIONS WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM BEING HELD BACK."
 
Pretty good. I will add that I expect the increasing wages to begin almost immediately, ie not AFTER teh deportations are complete, but as soon as the supply of labor is tightened.



I will try, based on what I have heard from the Open Border crowd....


1. These are jobs that Americans don't want to do/automation will replace those jobs soon enough anyways.

2. Employers need them to function.

3. Rising wages will cause inflation, so no real gain.

4. And it's racist.


How do you feel I did? Anything to add or subtract.
Number 4 isn’t really relevant to your stated criterion, so let’s set that aside.

I also want to point out that you’ve proposed two related but distinct policies, and they may have different effects relative to your criterion:
-Deporting undocumented immigrants
-Restricting legal immigration
Those are not identical in economic impact, so let’s start with one.

Americans, in general, are less likely to work certain blue-collar jobs. Your assumption is that as labor supply tightens, employers will increase wages to the point that Americans will take those jobs.

There are a few issues with that.
First, the jobs undocumented workers tend to do aren’t evenly distributed across the country. There isn’t necessarily a one-to-one replacement available. For example, even if someone in Arkansas is willing to work, that doesn’t automatically replace a fruit picker in Florida. Labor markets are geographically constrained.

Second, many of these jobs are physically demanding or otherwise undesirable, which further limits the pool of willing replacements, even if wages rise.

You also mentioned automation. As wages increase, investment in automation becomes more economically attractive. That could reduce labor demand rather than shift it toward American workers.

That leads into your second point.
Yes, employers need workers to function, whether American or not. Under your proposal, businesses effectively face three options:
-Raise wages enough to attract American workers (assuming they are available).
-Automate to reduce labor needs.
-Reduce operations or shut down if neither is viable.

Now this connects to inflation.
There are two potential inflationary channels here:
-Higher wages increase production costs, which may raise prices.
-If some firms can’t operate profitably and close, reduced supply may also push prices up.

So the argument, as it relates to your criterion, becomes this:
The wage increases for American blue-collar workers would need to be large enough to offset the inflationary pressures caused by higher production costs and potential supply reductions, such that real middle-class income still rises.

That’s the key question. And the only way I see this even having a chance off happening is that the wages offered for those jobs will be middle class jobs.

To put it bluntly. What do you think the chances are that a person working the line in a meat packing plant will be offered enough a year going by your lowest number to make the household he's or she is a part of qualify for middle class? (A number I realize is an average and can vary, and across sectors so meatpacking is only one job.)

But the point stands.

Is the elasticity of wages in low-skill labor markets strong enough that deportation would raise wages into middle-class territory without generating higher offsetting inflation?

The sectors that employ illegals, (food production, transport, construction, hospitality tend to work under slim profit margins as is.)

Under your own criterion, the policy only succeeds if real middle-class income rises. So can you explain the mechanism by which wage gains outpace inflationary pressures in low-skill sectors? What evidence makes you confident the elasticity is strong enough?
 
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DHIs tariffs lost in a 6 -3 SCOTUS Decision.
And then he added a new 10% because his feelings were hurt. So American businesses have to pony up another 10%, and **** their critical business forecasting and planning. They can't possibly know how to plan and invest and hire now.

He has absolutely no comprehension of what he's doing. He has no idea of the macro effects of his emotional actions. He is unwell. He is sick.

Those who could trigger the 25th Amendment are in dereliction of duty now.
 
And then he added a new 10% because his feelings were hurt. So American businesses have to pony up another 10%, and **** their critical business forecasting and planning. They can't possibly know how to plan and invest and hire now.

He has absolutely no comprehension of what he's doing. He has no idea of the macro effects of his emotional actions. He is unwell. He is sick.

Those who could trigger the 25th Amendment are in dereliction of duty now.
Trump needs those tariffs.
Not for the good of America or Americans.
Trump doesn't have a grift without them.
When corporations or countries come to Trump for a tariff exemption, Trump doesn't grant exemptions for free.
They either give the orange snowflake, grifter $$$ for his "library, campaign, PAC or gifts.
 
Trump needs those tariffs.
Not for the good of America or Americans.
Trump doesn't have a grift without them.
When corporations or countries come to Trump for a tariff exemption, Trump doesn't grant exemptions for free.
They either give the orange snowflake, grifter $$$ for his "library, campaign, PAC or gifts.
Everything is tied to a grift. Right out in the open. Look up how Lutnick is making a massive killing on this tariff fiasco.

We're in an authoritarian kleptocracy. And the flock still thinks their lives are getting better. That's how psychologically invested they are in the choice they've made.

Incredible.
 
Everything is tied to a grift. Right out in the open. Look up how Lutnick is making a massive killing on this tariff fiasco.

We're in an authoritarian kleptocracy. And the flock still thinks their lives are getting better. That's how psychologically invested they are in the choice they've made.

Incredible.
I didn't know that but here it is.


Trump Secretary Silent as Sons Poised to Make Bank From ...​

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The New Republic
https://newrepublic.com › breaking-news

The Supreme Court decision striking down Donald Trump’s many tariffs may prove to be a windfall for the family of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, a key architect of Trump’s signature economic policy.

In July, Wired reported that Cantor Fitzgerald, which Lutnick chaired until he was appointed to Trump’s Cabinet, was allowing its traders to purchase the rights to hundreds of millions of dollars of refunds in the event the tariffs were struck down in court.

The firm now happens to be headed by Lutnick’s sons Kyle and Brandon.

The magazine cited a letter from the firm explaining how Cantor Fitzgerald was willing to exchange refund rights for 20 to 30 percent of what the companies paid.

“So for a company that paid $10 million, they could expect to receive $2-$3 million in a trade,” a Cantor Fitzgerald representative wrote. “We have the capacity to trade up to several hundred million of these presently and can likely upsize that in the future to meet potential demand.”
 
I didn't know that but here it is.


Trump Secretary Silent as Sons Poised to Make Bank From ...

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The New Republic
https://newrepublic.com › breaking-news

The Supreme Court decision striking down Donald Trump’s many tariffs may prove to be a windfall for the family of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, a key architect of Trump’s signature economic policy.

In July, Wired reported that Cantor Fitzgerald, which Lutnick chaired until he was appointed to Trump’s Cabinet, was allowing its traders to purchase the rights to hundreds of millions of dollars of refunds in the event the tariffs were struck down in court.

The firm now happens to be headed by Lutnick’s sons Kyle and Brandon.

The magazine cited a letter from the firm explaining how Cantor Fitzgerald was willing to exchange refund rights for 20 to 30 percent of what the companies paid.

“So for a company that paid $10 million, they could expect to receive $2-$3 million in a trade,” a Cantor Fitzgerald representative wrote. “We have the capacity to trade up to several hundred million of these presently and can likely upsize that in the future to meet potential demand.”
It's all a grift. There is personal gain for himself and/or his pals in virtually everything he does.

He and his friends have literally profited billions in the last year from his presidency. All out in the open.

The country is just sleeping through it, the rubes don't care, and the press is too afraid to point it out.

An authoritarian kleptocracy.
 
The E.U had a $28B trade surplus with us last year. Even though they have 10x our population they still imported far less than they exported to us.

The differences in debt is due to the U.S government carrying the debt NOT individual.citizens personal debt. Canadian personal debt is 103% of GDP, U.S is over 80% and U.S over 70%. As with all centralized systems, we are being decimated by the government passing the debt onto citizens, no worse place than Ontario. The RCMP and their surrogates laugh at how naive you are.

In essence, our government across decades sold us out to prop up a few corporations and China. Simple as that:


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First trade... So Canadians have bought more products... So what...

Did they get something the wanted for their money?
 
The elites have had the flock convinced that they're going after the elites for a long time.

You could lay out how Trump has spectacularly enriched himself, his family and his friends in just the last 12 months alone, and the flock will call every bit of it a lie. Or they'll point the finger elsewhere. There is nothing that can be said to them.
The top 2% of this Country have amassed more wealth since Reagen was President & up to this point then in the entire history of this country combined. MAGA rubes & other dopes have been brainwashed by right wing media & politicians like Bush & Trump convincing them that that fact is what's best for this country when in reality the middle class & working poor are being screwed to the point that there is no chance to turn back the clock.

SCOTUS allowing Citizens United to become law was the beginning of the end.
 
... in reality the middle class & working poor are being screwed to the point that there is no chance to turn back the clock.
Yeah.

I don't know how this gets fixed. Then there's the added wrinkle of the effects of AI, and we're not close to being ready for that. And now we're less than three years away from finding out.
 
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... for our former friends, allies and trading partners.

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Canada Leads New 40-Nation Trade Bloc
Carney Surprises Trump With 40-Nation Alliance Against MAGA
Can smaller economies really create a new world trade order? Yes, they can.

...further formalizing Prime Minister Mark Carney’s trade diversification strategy — an alliance among Canada, the 27-member European Union and the 12-nation Indo-Pacific bloc — is now under negotiation, with Canada spearheading the talks.

And, in the face of an apparent divide-and-conquer strategy from Washington against CUSMA’s other two signatories, the Carney government has this week deployed a 370-person business delegation to Mexico led by Canada-U.S. Trade Minister Dominic Leblanc.

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Europe, Canada, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, South Korea, the European Union, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Uruguay, Saudi America, Mexico. That's a good start.

Now that America is viewed as essentially a Mafia organization -- you'd better deal with us only if you absolutely HAVE to -- we have done the world a favor by demonstrating that we're not needed as much as the world thought. That will help us hide from everyone as much as possible. American exporters will suffer for this, but they're just commie whiners!

Trump's "**** you, you need us more than we need you, so we're going to insult, mock, troll, namecall, threaten and punish you all we want, so tough shit" foreign policy is Winning!
And it doesn't matter if Trump drops dead tomorrow. The world has learned the lesson that the USA may and will elect people like Trump. No deal with the US can be trusted.
 
And it doesn't matter if Trump drops dead tomorrow. The world has learned the lesson that the USA may and will elect people like Trump. No deal with the US can be trusted.
Yeah, that's exactly the problem. The cat's out of the bag now.

They gave us a pass when Biden won, but this is the last straw.

Can't blame them. The world trusts China more than us now.
 
Yeah, that's exactly the problem. It doesn't matter now.

They gave us a pass when Biden won, but this is the last straw.

Can't blame them. The world trusts China more than us now.
Trump the self dealing, economically illiterate narcissist is banking on the idea that they need us more than we need them.

Probably true to some degree, but, for them, forging relationships that bring fewer returns but that come with stability and predictability are more valuable to them.

So Trump managed to find the one way to undermine the one principle he is standing on.

Stupid is as stupid does
 
And it doesn't matter if Trump drops dead tomorrow. The world has learned the lesson that the USA may and will elect people like Trump. No deal with the US can be trusted.
The United States used its post-WWII hegemony to Make America Great, creating and leading an international order under which mutual interests were achieved by cooperative joint ventures, the US benefiting most of all.

Under that paradigm, it exercised global primacy for three-quarters of a century, before abrasive bullying became the national posture
.

How's that working for us?
 
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