It's true, the colonist brought the European institution with them when they conquered the new world. However, few civilizations subjugated an entire race to slavery in perpetuity like the Southern states did. It only got worse when the slave trade was ended. They started breeding and selling off the slave's children.
He has to placate the environmentalist. You should know lease sales on federal land and water are required by law, so there will be no indefinite pause on those leases without Congress passing a new law. There no reason why we can't be oil independent in a few years. Global production and usage is still climbing.
You still havent told me how someone removes history. Is all of history contained in this monument? How about you stop speaking in ridiculous hyperbole? The knowledge of their deplorable culture will remain.
You have your freedom of speech to advocate for honoring and idolizing whoever you want. I don't have to let you win political battles, that's your job. Just like a Confederate lover you expect a minority to do everything for you.
They committed cultural genocide when they forced African slaves to conform to Christian European culture but I wasn't claiming the American slavers did exactly what the nazis did, I'm saying enslaving and raping and robbing generations of black men, women and children is just as bad, if not worse than what the nazis did. The nazis campaign to exterminate the Jews lasted six years. Slavery lasted hundreds.
And? Providing that caveat doesn't mean I'm going to agree to respect your favorite slaver. I don't.
You excuse it when you suggest slavers should be respected because they fought in a war and were pardon by some other assholes. Either you think they deserve honor and respect or you don't. Which is it you two talking coward?
We didn't do shit. Some other assholes pardoned Confederates, what the **** does that have to do with me?
You think it should be a crime for me to give my opinion about slavers and our countries use of tax payer dollars representing them? Look who doesn't want to allow space for other points of view now.
You're not. Love slavers or nazis all you like. I never suggested you couldn't.
I don't think suggesting destroying a statue is destroying history to be mature debate. My arguments may be full of profanity and disrespect for you and your intellect but they're at least serious arguments.
I'm explaining to you how I see slavers. To me they are no better than nazis.
Reconciliation is history. It literally doesn't matter what you think of it today, the Confederates were welcomed back into full citizenship after the war.
Didn’t slavery benefit millions and millions of people? Isn’t that evidenced by the fact that free black people NEVER went home to Africa?
So stipulated. I can't. Don't. And won't.
Slavery had been outlawed in much of the industrialized world that existed at that time. Britain outlawed the slave trade in their empire in 1807, and the practice of slavery anywhere in their ginormous empire itself in 1833.
Why do you make that argument like a ***** with a question mark at the end? Argue it proudly, fail white.
We should all take oil to this thread and save this for the monuments.
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The reunion was being held in the spirit of Reconciliation, a continued attempt to bring unity to the country. Reconstruction had lasted until 1877, with strong Federal control over the former rebellious states. After a compromise between the Republicans and Democrats to elect Rutherford B. Hayes, Reconstruction ended. The Federal troops were withdrawn and life began again as “normal” in the southern states.
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Now you're just being hyperbolic. A monument to reconciliation deserves to stand.
You just don't like the fact that the Confederates were welcomed back into the union instead of slaughtered like the blind Germans wanted to do with their scapegoats.
You keep claiming they were blind Germans. They were not, for just one simple example, they had no intention of taking over the entire world and forcing everyone into their sphere of power. Nor did they attempt genocide.
Yes, it was bad. I know of no one that says it was not a bad thing.
Incorrect, slavery has lasted the entire time man has had the ability to form tribes. It wasn't invented in the 1600's.
I know you don't and didn't say you had to.
I say they should be respected as full citizens of the United States, which is what they were when they were pardoned. Are you sure you're actually reading this stuff?
It means you're talking about pardoned citizens of the United States, no longer considered traitors.
It would be a crime for you to harass or violently assault a Confederate veteran on the basis of him being a Confederate, because he would be pardoned citizen of the United States, on equal footing with yourself.
And now you're just projecting. I never said I loved either slavers or blind Germans.
And virtually every people group has slavers in their past or present. Keep that in mind.
Why didn't you create a thread about slavery? This one is about monuments to those who died in combat.Why do you make that argument like a ***** with a question mark at the end? Argue it proudly, fail white.
But it was a noble attempt to re-unite the Union instead of turning the Southern states into vassals and permanently occupied territory.The reunion was being held in the spirit of Reconciliation, a continued attempt to bring unity to the country. Reconstruction had lasted until 1877, with strong Federal control over the former rebellious states. After a compromise between the Republicans and Democrats to elect Rutherford B. Hayes, Reconstruction ended. The Federal troops were withdrawn and life began again as “normal” in the southern states.
But what did Reconciliation actually mean?
To Union veterans, it meant that the South had reconciled itself to Union victory and that the former rebellious hotheads now bent their knee in subservience to the idea of Union.
But to former Confederates, Reconciliation meant something more. It meant that not only were they not facing charges for treason or insurrection, but that Reconstruction was being rolled back. It meant that the North was turning a blind eye to Jim Crow laws and the racial persecution of African Americans in the South. It meant that they would control their local and state governments, free of the occupying Federal soldiers. And it meant that they would be able to control the narrative that they would come to term “the late unpleasantness” or “the war of Northern aggression.”
Deconstructing the Reconciliation Narrative of the Civil War
In 1913, Union and Confederate veterans held a touching reunion at Gettysburg. Now in their 70s, the veterans flocked to the small Pennsylvania town by the thousands. It was here that they shared s…
Why don't we read accounts of George Washington being a rebel? Why isn't our books loaded with remarks he was a rebel who but for France would have been hung?The reunion was being held in the spirit of Reconciliation, a continued attempt to bring unity to the country. Reconstruction had lasted until 1877, with strong Federal control over the former rebellious states. After a compromise between the Republicans and Democrats to elect Rutherford B. Hayes, Reconstruction ended. The Federal troops were withdrawn and life began again as “normal” in the southern states.
But what did Reconciliation actually mean?
To Union veterans, it meant that the South had reconciled itself to Union victory and that the former rebellious hotheads now bent their knee in subservience to the idea of Union.
But to former Confederates, Reconciliation meant something more. It meant that not only were they not facing charges for treason or insurrection, but that Reconstruction was being rolled back. It meant that the North was turning a blind eye to Jim Crow laws and the racial persecution of African Americans in the South. It meant that they would control their local and state governments, free of the occupying Federal soldiers. And it meant that they would be able to control the narrative that they would come to term “the late unpleasantness” or “the war of Northern aggression.”
Deconstructing the Reconciliation Narrative of the Civil War
In 1913, Union and Confederate veterans held a touching reunion at Gettysburg. Now in their 70s, the veterans flocked to the small Pennsylvania town by the thousands. It was here that they shared s…
What does that have to do with monuments?
Exactly. They were welcomed back into the Union and were not systematically hunted down for execution, as they would be today. They're buried in Arlington, for example. It would seem that some on here would like to see their graves dug up and their bones scattered.
The stupid coxuckers are trying to make a case for "reparations".
Today with exceptions slavery is the enterprise of blacks enslaving blacks.
