Condemning communism

[Soupnazi630]

Normal people are protective of communism because they know it is an intrinsic aspect of the social behavior of all primates.
It is in our DNA.
Cooperation, communal support, and collective action is what allows primates to survive in a hostile environment, before we evolved intelligence and enough science for weapons.

Tell me a family, religious order, small tribal group, etc. that isn't communist?

Communism is never about communal support or cooperation it is strictly about enforced enslavement of humanity.

 

[occupied]

The problem is that you do not understand what communism is.

Communism is just as much an authoritarian political theory as it is an economic theory.

Any ideology can be used to oppress. No exceptions.

 

[Soupnazi630]

If liberty and equality are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.--Aristotle

Communism is about augthoritarian government not shared government.

 

[Soupnazi630]

What electives did you take?
Seems you are a little light on humanities, anthropology, and civics.

Not just humans, but all primates are very social and communist inherently.

Wrong.

Communism is never about and has never been about being social.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes, it pretty much has to be a democratic republic.
How could anything be communal, cooperative, or collective unless the majority ruled?
If you have a minority ruling, then they are going to take more than is fair share, and it won't be communal, cooperative, or collective.

Communism is not democratic and never has been it is specically and exclusively authoritarian and tyrannical.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I don't think anyone has ever been allowed to implement communism on any scale.
Certainly all the communists in Russia were executed even before Stalin took over as an ultra state capitalist.

Wrong.

The USSR, China and many other smaller nations implemented communism.

Stalin was not a state capitalist he was a communist

 

[Soupnazi630]

None.
Communism is the basic way all humans normally live, whether it is the communal sharing of families or primitive tribes.
Capitalism is purely profit motivated, so is devoid of any human social qualities, and always results in a dictator ruling over slavery by force, unless prevented.

Wrong.

Communism is an anti human way of life which no one voluntarily adopts. It is enforced on others at gun point and is not normal.

Capitalism results in no such thing.

 

[MarcATL]

Any ideology can be used to oppress. No exceptions.

FACTS!!!

 

[Soupnazi630]

All humans are inherently communists.
Tell me a single primitive tribe or family unit that is not communist in all human history?

Stalin was not communist in any way.
Stalin was implementing central control by the right wing, wealthy elite.
That is the opposite of communism.

Humans are not inherently communist.

Primitive tribes are not communiost they are communal and communal and communist are not synonyms.

Stalin was by definition a communist.

He implemneted the dictatorship of the proletariate which is precisely inherent to communism.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not at all in any way.
Communism is a cooperative, collective, and communal was of natural tribal and family living.

China and Russia started off as a Marxist revolution, which is not really communist at all, and Marxism is supposed to go through steps where once the aristocracy is defeated, returns to a democratic republic.
None of that happened in Russia or China, and instead all the communists, socialists, and anarchist were killed off, and a fe

Wrong.

Communism is never cooperative it is enforced.

It is nebver communal it is authoritarian.

COllectivism in any form is tyranny.

The USSR and china were following the vision of marx. Marx never called for democracy and communism rejects democracy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No one have ever grown up under communist rule because there has never been any country remotely communist.
The closest you can come is primitive tribes or religious communes.

It is not that communism could not be tried on a larger scale, but that capitalists always take over before it has any chance.
For example, anyone claiming Stalin was anything but a pure capitalist, would be extremely ignorant.

There have indeed been many communist nations and still are.

Only ignorant fools claim Stalin ewas a capitalist. The fact is he was a communist.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Any ideology can be used to oppress. No exceptions.

Communism is designed to oppress as a political ideology.

 

[occupied]

Communism is designed to oppress as a political ideology.

Communism was designed as a simple utopian post industrial society that naturally arises after people stop being greedy, lazy, mean and stupid. It does not even sound reasonable. It's certainly not something anyone on the left wants. We like our stuff and our individuality as much as anyone.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You are so confused.

No. He's not confused. This is the argument of every communist. Communism has never been tried. This time they will get it right. Plato described the difficulties in creating the perfect utopian society in Republic. Essentially communism is utopia. It is a classless and stateless society where the state, the government, has become useless and withered away.

Communism is a three part process. The first part is the revolution in which the poor rise up to dispossess the rich and middle-class of property and land. The second stage necessitates the rise of a Supreme dictator who will seize all property from everyone and redistribute that property equally. There will be no differences. Everyone will wear the same clothes, eat the same food. No one can have anything until everyone has that same thing. There will be no family. Children will be raised in dormitories. This is where communism ends. The people eventually throw it off. China evaded this stage by switching to a capitalist financial system.

In Plato's Republic the students discovered that enforced equality required a power strong enough to direct the most trivial of activities. The people were driven mad and killed the leaders.

With communism, no one ever gotten beyond absolute control to the place where we all provide labor simply because that labor is necessary. Payment need not be made because everything is free. Food is free, housing is free, clothing is free. Doctors and nurses are not paid. They perform services like everyone else, for love 9f humanity. To each according to his need. From each according to their ability. With everyone devoting their lives in service, government is no longer necessary.

 

[danielpalos]

Communism is about augthoritarian government not shared government.

So what? Any Government is about authoritarianism not necessarily sharing.

 

[Rigby5]

You are so confused.

Not at all.
I know exactly what communism is.
Communism is like if the taxpayers would vote for the government in their state to build oil refineries, lumber mills, steel works, etc., just like the municipalities do with utilities like water.

 

[MinTrut]

There is no discussion about communism here. It's just you jerks calling everything you don't like communism while being ridiculed for your ignorance.

Thread.

 

[EvMetro]

Lefties cannot respond to the opening post, they cannot condemn communism. Check out the bold portion of the opening post below:

Naturally, on a political discussion site, there is a lot of discussion about communism. The pattern that I see over and over is condemnation of communism from righties, and support and defense of communism from lefties. Why don't we see lefties condemning communism? Even in this very thread, we will see lefties trying to protect communism with attempts to derail the thread instead of condemning communism. Why don't lefties condemn it?

 

[Rigby5]

No. He's not confused. This is the argument of every communist. Communism has never been tried. This time they will get it right. Plato described the difficulties in creating the perfect utopian society in Republic. Essentially communism is utopia. It is a classless and stateless society where the state, the government, has become useless and withered away.

Communism is a three part process. The first part is the revolution in which the poor rise up to dispossess the rich and middle-class of property and land. The second stage necessitates the rise of a Supreme dictator who will seize all property from everyone and redistribute that property equally. There will be no differences. Everyone will wear the same clothes, eat the same food. No one can have anything until everyone has that same thing. There will be no family. Children will be raised in dormitories. This is where communism ends. The people eventually throw it off. China evaded this stage by switching to a capitalist financial system.

In Plato's Republic the students discovered that enforced equality required a power strong enough to direct the most trivial of activities. The people were driven mad and killed the leaders.

With communism, no one ever gotten beyond absolute control to the place where we all provide labor simply because that labor is necessary. Payment need not be made because everything is free. Food is free, housing is free, clothing is free. Doctors and nurses are not paid. They perform services like everyone else, for love 9f humanity. To each according to his need. From each according to their ability. With everyone devoting their lives in service, government is no longer necessary.

Sorry, but totally wrong.

Communism does not have 3 parts at all. Marx and Engles were just referring to how to deal with the European monarchies. And there is nothing in communism about a supreme dictator at all. There is no way to implement any aspect of communism with a dictator at all. It would be totally contradictory. Communism is only about group and communal governance. Nor is everything supposed to be equal. Property is to be distributed according to need. No one ever suggested clothes and food would all be identical, or that there would be no families or personal property.

And while it has been a very long time since I read "Plato's Republic", you seem to have that all wrong as well. No one is driven mad and no leaders are killed. It ends as a utopia, as Plato envisions it as his utopia, with philosophers in charge.

 

[Rigby5]

Lefties cannot respond to the opening post, they cannot condemn communism. Check out the bold portion of the opening post below:

Naturally, on a political discussion site, there is a lot of discussion about communism. The pattern that I see over and over is condemnation of communism from righties, and support and defense of communism from lefties. Why don't we see lefties condemning communism? Even in this very thread, we will see lefties trying to protect communism with attempts to derail the thread instead of condemning communism. Why don't lefties condemn it?

The right has no idea what communism is.