CDZ Complete Restructuring of the US Government

What is the overall tone of this forum's discussion of political matters of all kind?

  • Serious discussion - plenty of philosophical/tactical debate

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  • Casual discussion - lots of simple commentary, prefer to passively comment on things

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  • There are a lot of trolls here, and I am a troll, therefore a third option is needed in all polls

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Shikica

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Mar 7, 2015
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I believe that the US government is in need of a complete overhaul.

First, why I think this. Since the early 1900s, the United States has consistently shown that its government will put the will of corporations ahead of the will of its citizens and of basic human rights for others. Over time it has gotten worse. False attacks, subtle media campaigns, illegal torture facilities, spying on every citizen in a way that is extremely similar to that of Fahrenheit 451 (and for decades now!), and of course overthrowing democracies and implementing corporate-friendly dictatorships that enforce child slave labor.

How do we stop this attack on mind kind you ask? Well it's not as simple as electing new government officials, as time has proven it does not matter if we have a democrat or a republican in the presidency, controlling the House, controlling the senate, or any combination of the three. Furthermore, it seems that while there is some strong sentiments of nepotism in the white house, the majority of positions don't seem to work that way. So why then do we see such consistent corruption at the top of the US government? Aside from theories that law schools are purposely trying to corrupt its students, which I don't believe, it would appear that the true problem is with the politic parties themselves.

The reason that both political organizations consistently produce corrupt officials is that THEY are the vessel of corruption. What I mean by this is that in order to be nominated to even participate in the primaries for either of these parties then you need to have demonstrated your willingness to be corrupt. It is not an option for an aspiring politician to not play by these rules; the other parties do not win and their political influence is very weak. I suspect that many politicians that we hate for their acts of terror in the world such as Condaleezza Rice and Bill Clinton came out of law school relatively honest and pure. But they learned that to rise in the political sphere you need to serve corporate interests.

But why do the political parties care so much about this? Were they created by corporations, and grandfathered in many other corporations to also be included in the benefits of electing a given party? I don't think this is the case; as both parties were formed before the turn of the 20th century. Looking back at thistory and the economic events in the United States during this period of time, lobbyists weren't really paying off government officials yet and multi-corporate oligopoly mergers weren't really starting to become common yet. And right there we have our answer. It was when the likes of Piers Morgan began to have massive control over US industries such as steel and railroad that he and others began to pressure the government into overlooking his illegal activities. You see around this time citizens of the United States began to notice the monopolies that Piers Morgan was forming and became worried. He ruthlessly bought out his competitors by inviting them to merge with his company. The benefits of this including joining with a more successful brand and obtaining lots of shares of a now more powerful company. This was particularly enticing because when many of the industry's richest men pooled together, their collective stock skyrocketed. Since this went against the concept of free trade and free competition within the economy, the outrage of the people was heard and a law was made banning these types of holding companies forever. However that did not stop anything.This government corruption was done by giving them different types of equity in the complex of companies that they had formed. What started as domestic bullying to have a stranglehold on the US market evolved into a fight for global control of natural resources. As the stakes have gotten higher, more factions have come together; more money has been involved; and more lawmakers and government officials have been brought in. This doesn't tell the whole story though, and it's important to note another aspect of US elections.

In order to win an election, massive amounts of money are needed. This wasn't always the case, but as technology improved each party began pushing and pushing the envelope on their budget as it became clear that the more money you have, the more citizens you can reach out to and the more campaign ads you can run. Where does the majority of campaign funds come from? Massive corporations like Exon Mobile and Apple. In a sense you could say that the same type of deal is going on now as in the days of the US Steel Corporation. Corporations are buying stock so to speak into a particular political party. One that will put THEIR priorities first ahead of the other, competing corporations. It's important to some of these companies that congress doesn't pass laws that would be unfavorable to their bottom line or otherwise make it tougher for them to do business. Some want the US to interact with foreign nations in a certain way and will sometimes pressure the government into entering a war or invading another country for their sake.

As you can see, there is a clear mutual relationship here between corporate interests and the interests of the two political parties. And following from this deal we have massive corruption at the top.

So what fundamental changes to I think need to take place? First off, lobbying ought to be made illegal. It is a way for corporate leaders to legally bribe governmental institutions. But that isn't enough, because there are plenty of illegal ways that they can still use money to bribe government officials. However the way that we can stop political organizations from being corrupt is by taking the following two steps:

1 - Butcher campaign budgets and allow all candidates at each level of the election a certain, small amount of campaigning. This means that all posters, pep rallies, websites, etc will be strictly regulated. Everyone will be put on a level playing field as each other and the only differences will be their policies. I know that heavy regulation isn't something that people often welcome, but I think that it's necessary to eliminate corruption.

2 - But that doesn't really put every candidate on a level playing field because the two party system dominates the political atmosphere and prevents any other political factions from competing. Therefore political parties will be removed from any type of legal authenticity. No longer will democrat/republican committees of officials decide who will run in the primaries. Now every state's CITIZENS will vote on a dozen or so local candidates. Of course they will be made accessible to the entire state in a controlled manner such that everyone's ideas are clearly represented. Both in a way that is easy to quickly understand and one which allows for long consumption of the finer details.

In conclusion, I have shown why at a very elementary level the government has become so corrupt, and very simply how to counter this continuous river of illegitimacy. Now I said that the government is in need of a COMPLETE overhaul. This is because I don't believe that the above system is able to be constructed within the current system. These are my final comments however because I think that discussion on why the current system doesn't allow for such change is another thread on its own.

I also attached a poll since I'm new here to get a better understanding of the community :D
 
Prefer thinking of things as global issues, not nationalistic ones. If something's good for a given nation, it's probably at the expense of others. That's not ethical or moral. US' problems are many and varied. Fixing them for any length of time requires cooperation, not selfish self-interest.

Most pressing concern I have is actually fresh water. US aquifers are running out. And when they run out completely, there's no where to get more except the sea by way of desalination. Yet we're not building desalination plants to any great degree. Once we fix this we need to do something about increasing energy demands. As populations goes up, so do energy requirements. Some US states already suffer seasonal blackouts as in California as more people are using a/c.

These are life and death problems. Once we fix them I'll care about minutia ones like ineffectual politicians and whatnot. :)
 
Prefer thinking of things as global issues, not nationalistic ones. If something's good for a given nation, it's probably at the expense of others. That's not ethical or moral. US' problems are many and varied. Fixing them for any length of time requires cooperation, not selfish self-interest.

Most pressing concern I have is actually fresh water. US aquifers are running out. And when they run out completely, there's no where to get more except the sea by way of desalination. Yet we're not building desalination plants to any great degree. Once we fix this we need to do something about increasing energy demands. As populations goes up, so do energy requirements. Some US states already suffer seasonal blackouts as in California as more people are using a/c.

These are life and death problems. Once we fix them I'll care about minutia ones like ineffectual politicians and whatnot. :)
First off, just because the world has other issues does not mean that we can not discuss this one. Not that your selfish energy needs hold a candle to the poor children that Nestle enslaves. Oh but don't worry Nestle will make up for it by privatizing that precious water you were talking about.

Anyway, this actually is a global issue and I realize that. But I was hoping to keep this thread focused on this one topic because 1) This is in the US Discussion sub forum and 2) I think it is most effective to talk about one area of debate at a time. I left out a lot of information in my post because I didn't want to distract from the core of my points.
 
If we were starting with a blank slate, I don't believe anyone would design the election system that we have today. The US has devolved into a two party system which IMO does a piss poor job on both sides of truly identifying the best candidates.
 
Did you know the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, JFK and the origination of the KKK? Would you care to know how embedded they are in our political system today? The UN, NATO, World Bank, IMF, CFR and every other major player on the political world stage?
 
Did you know the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, JFK and the origination of the KKK? Would you care to know how embedded they are in our political system today? The UN, NATO, World Bank, IMF, CFR and every other major player on the political world stage?


WHY do you post stuff like this?

jeeeeeez



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Very little serious discussion here. Many threads start out with civil discourse but it almost always falls apart pretty quickly.

Read the first few posts and then move on.

If you want serious discussion and a true exchange of ideas, USMess isn't for you
 
Did you know the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, JFK and the origination of the KKK? Would you care to know how embedded they are in our political system today? The UN, NATO, World Bank, IMF, CFR and every other major player on the political world stage?


WHY do you post stuff like this?

jeeeeeez



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Because it's the truth, Luddly. Do some research on the subject and you'll find that out.
 
Every day belongs to the LORD - to be clear - but those within the apostate church and the anti - Christ abomination Roman Catholicism - come out from among them and be ye separated - Jesus says - start a home church - gather as often as you can and have church and lift up the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just beware of this interfaithism movement the anti christ Roman Vatican is bringing forth. It's a trick of Satan.
 

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