Commutation of Stone Sentence Correct Move

Man was a casualty of Mueller witch hunt that never should have happened.
Its ridiculous that the elites should have to serve time.
What truly was ridiculous was how Stone was arrested. CNN called in for playing up the optics
was the epitome of politics going awry. Thomas you really need to focus on are the real stories
and not what you're being fed.
Obviously this case will provoke partisan feelings but the concept of a "pardon" seems to be unAmerican. Its something that a medieval king or a sultan would hand out not an elected President in a supposed meritocracy.
It creates elites because it relies on who you know. That cant be right.
You act like Trump has been the only president to do such a thing. Where was the outrage when Obama did such things.
You were as quiet as a church mouse. interesting.....

Obama did not issue pardons or commutations to his cronies. He also issued a pardon issued to Arpaio. The fact that Barr is not defending it shows wrong it was.
Personally, all pardons are wrong unless there was something unjust legally. Obama commuted more than any other president, I believe.
And please don't tell me that they were simple drug convictions, that's BS. Most of those convictions were plead down serious crimes.
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.
 
Man was a casualty of Mueller witch hunt that never should have happened.
Its ridiculous that the elites should have to serve time.
What truly was ridiculous was how Stone was arrested. CNN called in for playing up the optics
was the epitome of politics going awry. Thomas you really need to focus on are the real stories
and not what you're being fed.
Obviously this case will provoke partisan feelings but the concept of a "pardon" seems to be unAmerican. Its something that a medieval king or a sultan would hand out not an elected President in a supposed meritocracy.
It creates elites because it relies on who you know. That cant be right.
You act like Trump has been the only president to do such a thing. Where was the outrage when Obama did such things.
You were as quiet as a church mouse. interesting.....

Obama did not issue pardons or commutations to his cronies. He also issued a pardon issued to Arpaio. The fact that Barr is not defending it shows wrong it was.
Personally, all pardons are wrong unless there was something unjust legally. Obama commuted more than any other president, I believe.
And please don't tell me that they were simple drug convictions, that's BS. Most of those convictions were plead down serious crimes.
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.

That's called an appeal and the courts are designed to handle unjust legal decisions. Pardons serve their purpose when the crime is unjust and appeals don't fix the problem.
 
Man was a casualty of Mueller witch hunt that never should have happened.
Its ridiculous that the elites should have to serve time.
What truly was ridiculous was how Stone was arrested. CNN called in for playing up the optics
was the epitome of politics going awry. Thomas you really need to focus on are the real stories
and not what you're being fed.
Obviously this case will provoke partisan feelings but the concept of a "pardon" seems to be unAmerican. Its something that a medieval king or a sultan would hand out not an elected President in a supposed meritocracy.
It creates elites because it relies on who you know. That cant be right.
You act like Trump has been the only president to do such a thing. Where was the outrage when Obama did such things.
You were as quiet as a church mouse. interesting.....

Obama did not issue pardons or commutations to his cronies. He also issued a pardon issued to Arpaio. The fact that Barr is not defending it shows wrong it was.
Personally, all pardons are wrong unless there was something unjust legally. Obama commuted more than any other president, I believe.
And please don't tell me that they were simple drug convictions, that's BS. Most of those convictions were plead down serious crimes.
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.
Roger stone and many other Trump supporters were terrorized by Democrats because Trump won the election
 
Man was a casualty of Mueller witch hunt that never should have happened.
Its ridiculous that the elites should have to serve time.
What truly was ridiculous was how Stone was arrested. CNN called in for playing up the optics
was the epitome of politics going awry. Thomas you really need to focus on are the real stories
and not what you're being fed.
Obviously this case will provoke partisan feelings but the concept of a "pardon" seems to be unAmerican. Its something that a medieval king or a sultan would hand out not an elected President in a supposed meritocracy.
It creates elites because it relies on who you know. That cant be right.
You act like Trump has been the only president to do such a thing. Where was the outrage when Obama did such things.
You were as quiet as a church mouse. interesting.....

Obama did not issue pardons or commutations to his cronies. He also issued a pardon issued to Arpaio. The fact that Barr is not defending it shows wrong it was.
Personally, all pardons are wrong unless there was something unjust legally. Obama commuted more than any other president, I believe.
And please don't tell me that they were simple drug convictions, that's BS. Most of those convictions were plead down serious crimes.
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.

That's called an appeal and the courts are designed to handle unjust legal decisions. Pardons serve their purpose when the crime is unjust and appeals don't fix the problem.
As it looks on paper you're right, but it usually doesn't work that way in practice.
 
The whole Stone case is based on Russia hacking the DNC and giving the info to Wikileaks, which has never been proven
You folks believe in so many right wing media inspired lies I can hardly keep up.



Now show me where the FBI did an independent review of the DNC servers?


Glad to see you acknowledge the FBI never did an independent investigation of the DNC servers and relied solely on Crowstrike who was hire by the DNC and even then the FBI only accessed a review as opposed to a full report...like I said the entire case against Stone is dependent on Russia having hacked the DNC server which the FBI has no way to prove happened since they never did an independent review.
Do you really think you know more about the details of these cases than the FBI?

No, I'm just going by what the FBI has admitted, being that they never conducted an independent investigation of the DNC server/cloud based imaging, nor did they review a final report from Crowdstrike.
It's amusing how liberals who support abolishing ICE and now Police are so trusting of the FBI.
 
What about Flynn lying to Vice President Mike Pence. What Flynn told Pence was the same as what Flynn told the FBI. And we know what he told Pence was a lie.
Lying to Pence was not a crime, moron. The agents who interviewed Flynn said he was telling the truth. Either way, it doesn't matter because the FBI had no business investigating Flynn.

They investigated Flynn because Flynn lied to Mike Pence. They asked him the same thing Pence asked, and Flynn gave them the same answer. A lie.


Wow are you uninformed.
 
*Stone, in fact, said the corrupt part out loud, in a conversation with NBC’s Howard Fineman shortly before Trump’s announcement. “He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him,” Stone told Fineman. “It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t.”*

Imagine a more corrupt use of the clemency power than Trump’s Roger Stone commutation

Stone obviously scared the bejesus out of Trump. Sounds like Stone was getting ready to spill some beans if Trump didn't soon act to keep him out of prison.


You are just stupid
 
I am inclined to believe that even the most disgruntled republican will hold their nose and vote for Trump again. I do not trust that there is a single one of them with the moral courage to realize what a disaster Trump has been. Assuming any sort of falloff of support is complacency and a mistake.

Why would any Republican be disgruntled? -
He has been spectacular against all odds and resistance.
The lunatic attacks on the President have repeatedly backfired on ya'll
you don't get it - and that's okay
 
*Stone, in fact, said the corrupt part out loud, in a conversation with NBC’s Howard Fineman shortly before Trump’s announcement. “He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him,” Stone told Fineman. “It would have eased my situation considerably. But I didn’t.”*

The takeaway here isn't hard to figure out. “He knows I was under enormous pressure to turn on him,”...............meaning..............Stone didn't tell the damaging info he knew about.

What information was that?

"A former top Trump campaign official on Tuesday testified that President Donald Trump talked to political trickster Roger Stone about WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign.
That testimony by Rick Gates at Stone’s trial contrasts with Trump’s claim last November that he did not recall speaking to Stone about WikiLeaks, the document disclosure group that during the 2016 campaign released emails stolen from the Democratic Party and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s own campaign chief.

Gates testified in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., that less than a minute after finishing a July 2016 call from Stone, Trump indicated that “more information would be coming” from Wikileaks."


I'd say Stone earned more than a commutation for obstructing the investigation. He should get a penthouse suite in Trump Tower or a permanent room at Mar-A-Lago. Because if Stone hadn't betrayed the country, justice, and basic decency Individual 1 may very well have been impeachment for conspiracy (with Wikileaks) to defraud the voting public. This, on top of the 4 counts of obstruction Mueller provided evidence of in his report.
Wow, y’all really only hear what you want to hear. You realize this is more easily read as “they wanted me to say the shit they wanted me to say in order to get off Scott free”, er nah...do y’all not even hear that part?

How would hearing that help his position?
 
The whole Stone case is based on Russia hacking the DNC and giving the info to Wikileaks, which has never been proven
You folks believe in so many right wing media inspired lies I can hardly keep up.




And to buttress your point you link two bogus stories.
 
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.
Actually, your post is BS.

Aaron Zelinsky's testimony is more pertinent than ever. He testified to the ways in which the DOJ, at Barr's direction (presumably instructed to do so by the most corrupt President in our history), stepped in to try to get a shorter sentence for Roger Stone.
"What I heard – repeatedly – was that Roger Stone was being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the President. I was told that the Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Timothy Shea, was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice to cut Stone a break,and that the U.S.Attorney’s sentencing instructions to us were based on political considerations. I was also told that the acting U.S. Attorney was giving Stone such unprecedentedly favorable treatment because he was “afraid of the President.”

I very much encourage you all the read Zelinsky's statement to Congress previous to his testimony.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...d5f15a1e37896bd07bb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Obviously, the unprecedented way the DOJ tried to intervene for a friend of the prez who lied and withheld evidence to protect Individual 1 was not enough for Don. Not for the guy who arguably kept him from being impeached over his solicitation of Russia's help during the 2016 campaign.

"On Friday,October 7,2016, WikiLeaks began dumping into the public domain thousands of emails which the Russian government had hacked from Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta’s personal email account. Minutes after WikiLeaks began releasing the hacked emails, one of Trump campaign CEO Bannon’s aides texted Stone, “well done.” That weekend, Campaign CEO Steve Bannon himself heard that Stone was involved in the WikiLeaks release of the hacked emails. And that summer, Stone wasn’t just talking to the CEO, Chairman, and Deputy Chairman of the campaign.He was talking directly to then-candidate Trump himself."

Among other implications, this means Trump lied in his written answers to Mueller in claiming he did not recall talking to Stone about Wikileaks. Unless you believe he would have forgotten multiple conversations about a matter of great importance. Mueller generously referred to Trump's answer to questions over thirty times that he "did not recall" as being "inadequate." What a gentle way of labeling obstruction.
 
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.
Actually, your post is BS.

Aaron Zelinsky's testimony is more pertinent than ever. He testified to the ways in which the DOJ, at Barr's direction (presumably instructed to do so by the most corrupt President in our history), stepped in to try to get a shorter sentence for Roger Stone.
"What I heard – repeatedly – was that Roger Stone was being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the President. I was told that the Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Timothy Shea, was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice to cut Stone a break,and that the U.S.Attorney’s sentencing instructions to us were based on political considerations. I was also told that the acting U.S. Attorney was giving Stone such unprecedentedly favorable treatment because he was “afraid of the President.”

I very much encourage you all the read Zelinsky's statement to Congress previous to his testimony.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...d5f15a1e37896bd07bb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Obviously, the unprecedented way the DOJ tried to intervene for a friend of the prez who lied and withheld evidence to protect Individual 1 was not enough for Don. Not for the guy who arguably kept him from being impeached over his solicitation of Russia's help during the 2016 campaign.

"On Friday,October 7,2016, WikiLeaks began dumping into the public domain thousands of emails which the Russian government had hacked from Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta’s personal email account. Minutes after WikiLeaks began releasing the hacked emails, one of Trump campaign CEO Bannon’s aides texted Stone, “well done.” That weekend, Campaign CEO Steve Bannon himself heard that Stone was involved in the WikiLeaks release of the hacked emails. And that summer, Stone wasn’t just talking to the CEO, Chairman, and Deputy Chairman of the campaign.He was talking directly to then-candidate Trump himself."

Among other implications, this means Trump lied in his written answers to Mueller in claiming he did not recall talking to Stone about Wikileaks. Unless you believe he would have forgotten multiple conversations about a matter of great importance. Mueller generously referred to Trump's answer to questions over thirty times that he "did not recall" as being "inadequate." What a gentle way of labeling obstruction.
"On August 2, Stone again called then-candidate Trump, and the two spoke for approximately ten minutes. Again, we don’t know what was said, but less than an hour after speaking with Trump, Stone emailed an associate of his Jerome Corsi, to have someone else who was living in London“ see Assange.” Less than two days later, on August 2, 2016, Corsi emailed Stone. Corsi told Stone that, “Word is friend in embassy [Assange] plans 2 more dumps. One “in October” and that “impact planned to be very damaging,” “time to let more than Podesta to be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC. That appears to be the game hackers are now about."
Around this time, Deputy Campaign Chairman Gates continued to have conversations with Stone about more information that would be coming out from WikiLeaks. Gates was also present for a phone call between Stone and Trump. While Gates couldn’t hear the content of the call, he could hear Stone’s voice on the phone and see his name on the caller ID. Thirty seconds after hanging up the phone with Stone, then-candidate Trump told Gates that there would be more information coming. Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, also stated that he was present for a phone call between Trump and Stone, where Stone told Trump 4 that he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange and in a couple of days WikiLeaks would release information, and Trump responded, “oh good, alright.” Paul Manafort also stated that he spoke with Trump about Stone’s predictions and his claimed access to WikiLeaks, and that Trump instructed Manafort to stay in touch with Stone. In his written answers to the Special Counsel’s Office, President Trump denied remembering anything about his conversations with Stone during the summer of 2016, and he denied being aware that Stone had discussed WikiLeaks with anyone associated with the campaign. One week after submitting his written answers, President Trump criticized “flipping” witnesses and stated that Stone was “very brave” in indicating he would not cooperate with prosecutors. The Special Counsel’s Report stated that the President’s statements complimenting Stone “support the inference that the President intended to communicate a message that witnesses could be rewarded for refusing to provide testimony adverse to the President[.]”
 
I find it funny that the words 'correct move' was used in describing something done in D.C. by politicians.

Obama armed, supplied, financed, trained, defended, protected, and even pimped out US troops to terrorists.
He illegally spied on US citizens, reporters, US Senators, and USSC Justices, & he used a weaponized IRS against Americans
Clapper, Brennan, and Comey illegally spied on Americans
They violated the Constitution, Rule of Law, and violated both Constitutional and Civil Rights
Democrats collaborated with Russians and foreign spies, leaked classified information, committed FISA Court abuses, altered documents and testimony
Pelosi declared she would not fwd with Impeachment unless the had bi-partisanship and evidence - she had neither

In the immortal words of Bill Clinton, 'It depends what the definition of 'is' is:
- I guess the 'correct move' depends on 'correct move' for 'WHOM'.

Working with foreign ex spies and Russians, rigging primaries, and attempting to affect the control of the outcome of the 2016 election was the 'right move' for the Democrats at the time....it just didn't pan out.

Pelosi facilitating the 1st political / partisan Impeachment based on zero crime, zero evidence, and zero witnesses, the fastest rush to Impeachment based on the weakest case for Impeachment in US history was 'the correct move' for the Democrats not too long ago ... despite it not panning out.

Supporting and facilitating the illegal seizure of US territory by a foreign funded domestic terrorist group in Seattle, abandoning US citizens and businesses to armed rule by foreign funded domestic terrorists /socialists was the 'correct move' for Democrats at the time...

Calling for the elimination of the police, resulting in a mortality rate at least 5 times higher (actually higher) than COVID-19 was the 'correct move' for Democrats at the time...

Imposing oppressive Constitutional / Civil Rights-violating acts in a massive socialist 'power grab' during the virus - 'never let a 'good' crisis go to waste' - while lying to / manipulating Americans with their fake news fear-mongering media has been the 'correct move' for Democrats...

Everyone has an agenda...and almost none of it has anything to do with what is best for the country.
 
"In his written answers to the Special Counsel’s Office, President Trump denied remembering anything about his conversations with Stone during the summer of 2016, and he denied being aware that Stone had discussed WikiLeaks with anyone associated with the campaign. One week after submitting his written answers, President Trump criticized “flipping” witnesses and stated that Stone was “very brave” in indicating he would not cooperate with prosecutors. The Special Counsel’s Report stated that the President’s statements complimenting Stone “support the inference that the President intended to communicate a message that witnesses could be rewarded for refusing to provide testimony adverse to the President[.]”

The POTUS openly encouraged (and ultimately rewarded) a witness in a federal investigation not to cooperate.

Why?

Because cooperation would have been very bad indeed for the Liar-in-Chief.
 
So you can draw a line with pardons and say these are good, and those are bad, but it's BS.
Actually, your post is BS.

Aaron Zelinsky's testimony is more pertinent than ever. He testified to the ways in which the DOJ, at Barr's direction (presumably instructed to do so by the most corrupt President in our history), stepped in to try to get a shorter sentence for Roger Stone.
"What I heard – repeatedly – was that Roger Stone was being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the President. I was told that the Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Timothy Shea, was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice to cut Stone a break,and that the U.S.Attorney’s sentencing instructions to us were based on political considerations. I was also told that the acting U.S. Attorney was giving Stone such unprecedentedly favorable treatment because he was “afraid of the President.”

I very much encourage you all the read Zelinsky's statement to Congress previous to his testimony.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...d5f15a1e37896bd07bb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Obviously, the unprecedented way the DOJ tried to intervene for a friend of the prez who lied and withheld evidence to protect Individual 1 was not enough for Don. Not for the guy who arguably kept him from being impeached over his solicitation of Russia's help during the 2016 campaign.

"On Friday,October 7,2016, WikiLeaks began dumping into the public domain thousands of emails which the Russian government had hacked from Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta’s personal email account. Minutes after WikiLeaks began releasing the hacked emails, one of Trump campaign CEO Bannon’s aides texted Stone, “well done.” That weekend, Campaign CEO Steve Bannon himself heard that Stone was involved in the WikiLeaks release of the hacked emails. And that summer, Stone wasn’t just talking to the CEO, Chairman, and Deputy Chairman of the campaign.He was talking directly to then-candidate Trump himself."

Among other implications, this means Trump lied in his written answers to Mueller in claiming he did not recall talking to Stone about Wikileaks. Unless you believe he would have forgotten multiple conversations about a matter of great importance. Mueller generously referred to Trump's answer to questions over thirty times that he "did not recall" as being "inadequate." What a gentle way of labeling obstruction.
Well, when you take everything out of context of what I said, you can pretty much say anything.
But, like I've always said, you have to take facts out of context to make your point. That's always been your biggest flaw.
 
No, I'm just going by what the FBI has admitted, being that they never conducted an independent investigation of the DNC server/cloud based imaging, nor did they review a final report from Crowdstrike.
It's amusing how liberals who support abolishing ICE and now Police are so trusting of the FBI.
You're purposely distorting the truth.

"Source close to the investigation says FBI didn't need the DNC servers because it already had the forensic data from upstream collection."


The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators.
 
The whole Stone case is based on Russia hacking the DNC and giving the info to Wikileaks, which has never been proven
You folks believe in so many right wing media inspired lies I can hardly keep up.



Now show me where the FBI did an independent review of the DNC servers?


Glad to see you acknowledge the FBI never did an independent investigation of the DNC servers and relied solely on Crowstrike who was hire by the DNC and even then the FBI only accessed a review as opposed to a full report...like I said the entire case against Stone is dependent on Russia having hacked the DNC server which the FBI has no way to prove happened since they never did an independent review.
Do you really think you know more about the details of these cases than the FBI?

No, I'm just going by what the FBI has admitted, being that they never conducted an independent investigation of the DNC server/cloud based imaging, nor did they review a final report from Crowdstrike.
It's amusing how liberals who support abolishing ICE and now Police are so trusting of the FBI.
You're a fucking liar.

"But the FBI felt it was not necessary to enter the DNC’s premises and take custody of the affected servers, as agents were able to obtain complete copies of forensic images made by CrowdStrike, which first identified that the DNC had been hacked by Russian operatives. Then-FBI Director James B. Comey testified that his staff told him that this arrangement was an “appropriate substitute.”
 
I'm guessing that Roger Stone had something to do with either Trump's campaign and/or the Russian crap. Concerning many things in this and past administrations I've consider my ignorance as bliss.
 

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