Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

[GLASNOST]

..... Socialism isn't even a form of government; it's an economic system.

Exactly.

That's about all the help I can give you. Good luck.

There isn't anything more you can do. Selective ignorance can only be overcome by voluntary endeavor because that sort of ignorance is itself voluntary.

 

[Rigby5]

No, you're right, it doesn't.

There's the choosing of who is the government, dictatorship, democracy (split into different electoral systems), monarchs etc.

Then there's the -isms, like capitalism, communism, socialism, democratic socialism and the like which is the way the government is functioning.

These are two different things. The problem is that some people see the word "Communism" and they think "USSR", so all Communism must be the same as the USSR, even though the USSR wasn't very Communist. It was Socialist for sure.

But even Socialism and Communism are different types of things. You could be Socialist and not Communist. Communist and Socialist. Or Communist but not Socialist (perhaps, I haven't figured out how this would actually work).

I am not sure I would even call the USSR socialist, because if a single capitalist got his way, he would turn the whole country into his own capitalist monopoly, and it would have been exactly what Stalin did.
You can't really call it a socialist government when it is run by a single person, for his own personal profit.
That is capitalism.
The fact the capitalist has a total monopoly, with no competition even from government regulation, does not make it any more socialist, but less so.
If you think of the Soviet government more like the Pinkerton Security in a company town, but expanded to a national size, then the USSR is the result.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Appeals to emotion are all right-wingers know.

Where is your valid argument to substantiate your currently unsubstantiated right-wing fantasy?

If not for fallacy, right-wingers would have no arguments at all.

You are a right winger bty that standard. Every argument you make is a fallacy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, it isn't. Socialism isn't even a form of government; it's an economic system.

That's about all the help I can give you. Good luck.

Wrong

Socialism is first and foremost a form of government.YTou need to hit the books as you are ignorant of the concept

 

[Soupnazi630]

Appeals to emotion are all right-wingers know.

Where is your valid argument to substantiate your currently unsubstantiated right-wing fantasy?

You quoted the factual and valid argument moron.

I appealled to no emotion I stated fact and you are a liar who posts nothing except fallacy

 

[frigidweirdo]

I am not sure I would even call the USSR socialist, because if a single capitalist got his way, he would turn the whole country into his own capitalist monopoly, and it would have been exactly what Stalin did.
You can't really call it a socialist government when it is run by a single person, for his own personal profit.
That is capitalism.
The fact the capitalist has a total monopoly, with no competition even from government regulation, does not make it any more socialist, but less so.
If you think of the Soviet government more like the Pinkerton Security in a company town, but expanded to a national size, then the USSR is the result.

Well, I think you can.

Socialism isn't about WHO runs the country, but HOW it is run. If the person at the top is a dictator, and controls the means of production, then it's Socialist, as Socialist as if the top is a parliament with Proportional Representation.

It's not Capitalism.

The difference between Capitalism with one huge monopoly would be that the people running the company wouldn't be make the laws, at least directly.

You have to remember that sometimes things are similar, but different.

If the government is run by a parliament, and has a monopoly on the economy, it's the same as if a dictator does it. The dictator, or parliament, can choose to put that money back into the country, or choose to hoard it for themselves. Either way, that choice of how to spend the money isn't the issue here.

The only issue with Socialism is whether the control of the means of production is in the hands of the government. A government run business is a Socialist business, no matter where the profits go.

 

[danielpalos]

You are a right winger bty that standard. Every argument you make is a fallacy.

Thanks for ceding the point you didn't have and the valid argument you could not come up with.

The typical modus operandi of the right-wing.

 

[danielpalos]

You quoted the factual and valid argument moron.

I appealled to no emotion I stated fact and you are a liar who posts nothing except fallacy

You have no facts, only right-wing Fantasy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Thanks for ceding the point you didn't have and the valid argument you could not come up with.

The typical modus operandi of the right-wing.

I ceded no point I proved you are a liar and your posts are wrong

 

[Soupnazi630]

You have no facts, only right-wing Fantasy.

I have facts proving you are a liar

 

[danielpalos]

You have no proof only fallacy. You need valid arguments not your right-wing bigotry.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You have no proof only fallacy. You need valid arguments not your right-wing bigotry.

Yes I do I have proven my statements with facts and proven you a racist liar

 

[danielpalos]

No, it isn't. Socialism isn't even a form of government; it's an economic system.

That's about all the help I can give you. Good luck.

Yes, socialism incorporates Government not merely or only an economic system.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes I do I have proven my statements with facts and proven you a racist liar

You are worse. You have no valid arguments only right-wing appeals to emotion instead of reason.

Government is social-ism. Thus, socialism is Government. Our Constitution is proof.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes, socialism incorporates Government not merely or only an economic system

Socialism IS a government system and always fails

 

[Soupnazi630]

You are worse. You have no valid arguments only right-wing appeals to emotion instead of reason.

Government is social-ism. Thus, socialism is Government. Our Constitution is proof.

I am better than you and correct.

I have valid arguments you have proven lies.

Socialism is only one form of government and that is absolute fact.

Our constitution proves you wrong and a fucking liar

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism IS a government system and always fails

Our Constitution has been organizing our society for over two hundred years and counting.

 

[danielpalos]

I am better than you and correct.

I have valid arguments you have proven lies.

Socialism is only one form of government and that is absolute fact.

Our constitution proves you wrong and a fucking liar

Not at all. StewNazis have much more substantial arguments and are much more credible as a result.

You simply claiming you have valid arguments is not the same a producing valid arguments.

That can't be true. Our Constitution is unique but not the only Constitution in the world. Every other Constitution organizes those societies distinctly from ours.

Our Constitution organizes our society and proves me Right even though I am on the left and that means you have to be Wrong even though you are on the right.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not at all. StewNazis have much more substantial arguments and are much more credible as a result.

You simply claiming you have valid arguments is not the same a producing valid arguments.

That can't be true. Our Constitution is unique but not the only Constitution in the world. Every other Constitution organizes those societies distinctly from ours.

Our Constitution organizes our society and proves me Right even though I am on the left and that means you have to be Wrong even though you are on the right.

I have produced valid fact based arguments and you know this is objective truth.

You lies are subjective crasp based on irrational contradictions

No our constitution does not organize society it organizes government.

You are on the right because yourstandard is that the right lies all the time which is what YOU DO.

You are incorrect uneducatedand a liar.

Socialism is only one form of govermment and a consistent failure.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Our Constitution has been organizing our society for over two hundred years and counting.

It never has organized our society it only organizes government