Common sense: is 1 million barrels traveling 1 mile on open ocean more dangerous than

[lennypartiv]

Those who vote for Trump don't know shit from Shinola.

We know we liked the low gas prices we had under Trump.

 

[surada]

Edwardsville had a spill yesterday.165,000 gallons. It's a Marathon oil pipeline

 

[Moonglow]

We know we liked the low gas prices we had under Trump.

Yeah, I just had no reason to purchase gas since society was shut down.

 

[bripat9643]

Spilling is spilling no matter where it happens.

Wrong, asshole. Spilling in the ocean is 1000 times worse than spilling on land, but you morons have to lie about it as an excuse to oppose the pipeline.

 

[Moonglow]

Wrong, asshole. Spilling in the ocean is 1000 times worse than spilling on land, but you morons have to lie about it as an excuse to oppose the pipeline.

The pipeline was opposed because of who's land it went through not that it was good or bad at transporting oil. The oil can still be transferred and is on the rail lines that a guy in the US owns....

 

[bripat9643]

The pipeline was opposed because of who's land it went through not that it was good or bad at transporting oil. The oil can still be transferred and is on the rail lines that a guy in the US owns....

The pipeline is opposed because prog idiots oppose everything that benefits mankind.

Transport by rail is 1000 times more dangerous than transport by pipeline. Yet, you support the former rather than the later. Once again, the country makes the wrong decision because morons like you can vote.

 

[healthmyths]

If the Keystone XL is so important why did Trump not try to open construction until his fourth year in office and not the first year?

Once again... YOU people create biased, purely subjective and DEFINITELY UNINFORMED opinions based on
NO FACTS!

Now here are the FACTS!!!
In November 2015, the State Department under President Barack Obama (D) denied TransCanada a permit to approve the pipeline.[1]

On March 24, 2017, the U.S. State Department under President Donald Trump (R) issued a presidential permit approving the Keystone XL pipeline. Trump signed an executive order in January to expedite final approval of the pipeline within 60 days. In the executive order, Trump also invited TransCanada, the pipeline's owner, to resubmit its application for a permit. On January 26, 2017, TransCanada resubmitted its application for approval.

Keystone XL Pipeline political timeline

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

How many times moonie have I put LINKS, SUBSTANTIATION that totally refute YOUR unsubstantiated and totally personal subjective opinion that you make with no proof?

 

[surada]

Wrong, asshole. Spilling in the ocean is 1000 times worse than spilling on land, but you morons have to lie about it as an excuse to oppose the pipeline.

Marathon shut down their pipeline since the spill yesterday.

 

[surada]

Marathon Pipe Line Releases More About Work On Oil Spill Near Edwardsville

EDWARDSVILLE - Marathon Pipe Line (MPL) released more late Saturday morning about the crude oil spill near Edwardsville. MPL Communications Director Jamil

m.riverbender.com

 

[bripat9643]

Marathon shut down their pipeline since the spill yesterday.

What do you imagine that proves, that the spill is worse than the Exxon Valdez? Did you imagine they would leave it open?

 

[bripat9643]

Marathon Pipe Line Releases More About Work On Oil Spill Near Edwardsville

EDWARDSVILLE - Marathon Pipe Line (MPL) released more late Saturday morning about the crude oil spill near Edwardsville. MPL Communications Director Jamil

m.riverbender.com

here's the extent of water contamination:

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Marathon Pipe Line Releases More About Work On Oil Spill Near Edwardsville | RiverBender.com

EDWARDSVILLE - Marathon Pipe Line (MPL) released more late Saturday morning about the crude oil spill near Edwardsville. MPL Communications Director Jamil

www.riverbender.com

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Crude oil reached the Cahokia diversion channel, and MPL has deployed boom at several locations along the channel to contain it​

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That sounds trivial

 

[healthmyths]

The pipeline was opposed because of who's land it went through not that it was good or bad at transporting oil. The oil can still be transferred and is on the rail lines that a guy in the US owns....

AND that is the problem! Emotional decisions made without following the "science" of FACTS!
So you are admitting that the ONLY justification was emotional and not factual, i.e. the experts tell you ...
David Valentine, Professor of Earth Science and Biology at UCSB, (what is Surada's expertise?)))
says it is better to have soil spills than ocean spills:
“In general, spills to soil are more contained than spills to water, and thus cleanup is more straightforward.
Damage is often lesser for soil spills. For this reason an aquatic spill (including marine) tends to be more harmful than a spill to soil.”

Linda Krop, Chief Counsel at the Environmental Defense Center (EDC) in Santa Barbara, California, agrees. “Spills in soils cause less damage and are easier to clean up effectively.” She adds that pipelines are unlike other modes of oil transportation because they can have safety features that make large leaks preventable:

Is it easier to clean up soil spills than ocean spills?

You asked, “Wouldn’t it be better to have oil spill soak into the soil rather than drain into the sea?” We got the answers.

www.kcrw.com

Moonie did you read what the experts said??? Do you understand 70% of oil transported by pipelines that average
33% less oil spillage that is as experts say is easier to clean up than an ocean spill. FACTS Moonie!

Rashid is a lawyer and he should talk!
Qasim Rashid is one of the richest Activist & listed on most popular Activist. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Qasim Rashid net worth is approximately $1.5 Million.

All Famous Birthdays Coming soon!

Just Another Coming Soon Page

allfamousbirthday.com

FACT: How many Americans are paid minimum or less in the USA? Again Rashid totally ignorant as you and others like you are! FACT: 1,112,000 or 1.14% of 72 million hourly wage make minimum or less!
1) Total workers at or below minimum wage : 1,112,000 that raising minimum wage would affect!
2) Of the 59,254,000 hourly wage workers & most likely of family status or over age 25 less than 583,000!
The domino affect hits the remaining 72,193,000 workers who make MORE than minimum wage and if your posit is correct and all remaining 72,193,000 workers/general laborer hourly wage is already $15.00
Hourly wage for General Laborer | Salary.com and it is raised to $22.00?
The employer must raise prices for their goods and services.
Assuming the USA GDP which was in 2021 of $22.99 trillion.
72,193,000 @ $15.00/hour at 2,000 hours / year or $2,165,790,000,000...($2.1 trillion or 9% of GDP)...
BUT if to compete with the $15.00 minimum wage movement, the employers have to increase all their hourly employees to $20.00 per hour or $5.00/hour more or adding to employer costs another $721,930,000,000!
Employer/businesses cost increase ... they pass it on to consumers!!!
YOU and this dummy Rashid never knew less than 1.2% of all workers paid minimum or less?
And talk about inflation? All the rest of the 72 million hourly employees will want a raise.
And who pays for it...DUMMY ??? YOU, me, and all Americans!

 

[healthmyths]

Marathon Pipe Line Releases More About Work On Oil Spill Near Edwardsville

EDWARDSVILLE - Marathon Pipe Line (MPL) released more late Saturday morning about the crude oil spill near Edwardsville. MPL Communications Director Jamil

m.riverbender.com

How much oil was spilled?

165,000 Gallons Of Crude Oil Released In Madison County Spill

SPRINGFIELD The estimate of the Madison County crude oil release on Friday, March 11, 2022, in a crude oil spill from a pipeline, which impacted Cahokia

m.riverbender.com

3,000 barrels!

 

[candycorn]

Thank you for the map! Over 195,000 miles of pipeline that average AVERAGE per year...
Pipeline spills -- 5,000 barrels per year
Nearly 9 million gallons of crude oil have spilled from pipelines in the United States since 2010.

Here's how much oil has spilled from US pipelines since 2010

Nearly 9 million gallons of crude oil spilled from the 70,000 miles of pipelines crisscrossing the United States since 2010.

www.businessinsider.com

So let's see... This article was written in 2016 so 6 years divided into 9 million is equal to 5,000 barrels per year.

Oil Tanker spills 6,666 barrels per year
The amount of oil spilled from oil tankers worldwide was approximately one thousand metric tons in 2021.

Global oil tanker volume spilled 2023 | Statista

The amount of oil spilled from oil tankers worldwide was approximately 2,000 metric tons in 2023.

www.statista.com

At 300 pounds per barrel, 6,666 barrels per year lost by oil tankers.

Now the bigger question is what percent of oil transportation is by Oil tanker versus pipeline?
FACT:
70% of crude oil and petroleum products are shipped by pipeline.
23% of oil shipments are on tankers and barges over water.

Which Is Safer For Transporting Crude Oil: Rail, Truck, Pipeline Or Boat?

News of increased crude oil transportation by rail from Canada has raised this question again. The short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat. But it depends on your definition of worse - human deaths, property destruction or environmental impact. You choose.

www.forbes.com

Pipelines carry over 3 times the amount of oil as tankers--- pipelines 70% tankers 23%!
WHERE IS YOUR proof that oil tankers are safer than pipelines!

Look shit brains.

I never made that argument.

Fuck off.

 

[healthmyths]

Perhaps you can start by addressing the correct party?

I just showed a couple of maps showing that Keystone's footprint would be that of an ant on world oil supply.

I apologize! You are so right! I wrongly was critical of you when it was Surada who made the dumb ass comment!

 

[BlindBoo]

What type of oil does Venezuela ship to China? That doesn’t seam to get you upset.

Venezuela doesn't ship by train to China!

Do you think Canada would stop using trains to transport oil if the XL extension pipeline were completed?

 

[healthmyths]

Venezuela doesn't ship by train to China!

Do you think Canada would stop using trains to transport oil if the XL extension pipeline were completed?

lightbulb!

China is not connected to Canada by train.

 

[BlindBoo]

lightbulb!

China is not connected to Canada by train.

Not connected to US by train either.

 

[HenryBHough]

Things would be so different if only had Keystone decided to buy a couple of Hunter's paintings for their lobby.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Venezuela doesn't ship by train to China!

Do you think Canada would stop using trains to transport oil if the XL extension pipeline were completed?

What do trains have to do with it? My point was that the core concern with Keystone was the environment. What happens when oil is shipped via the ocean? Do environmental concerns go away???