Comey Lays His Cards on the Table

We don't have to keep "That hope alive", it's a plainly observable fact. What's being hoped is that something will be done about it in accordance with the law.

A fact that is not supported by the FBI director or recent events. It's over.
They can deny the facts all they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"
 
A fact that is not supported by the FBI director or recent events. It's over.
They can deny the facts all they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?
 
We don't have to keep "That hope alive", it's a plainly observable fact. What's being hoped is that something will be done about it in accordance with the law.

A fact that is not supported by the FBI director or recent events. It's over.
They can deny the facts all they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.
We're talking in circles because you can't comprehend any negative statement about your Democrat candidate. She broke the law, the laws clearly show she broke them, Comey's statements clearly show that she broke them. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be in my statements.
 
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No Commie, it is NOT the BEST that the FBI could do!

  • FBI agents signed NDA for matters involving Hillary’s emails
    The New York Post ^ | July 13th, 2016 | By John Crudele, Daniel Halper and Jamie Schram
    In an unusual move, FBI agents working the Hillary Clinton email case had to sign a special form reminding them not to blab about the probe to anyone unless called to testify. Sources said they had never heard of the “Case Briefing Acknowledgment” form being used before, although all agents must initially sign nondisclosure agreements to obtain security clearance. “This is very, very unusual. I’ve never signed one, never circulated one to others,” said one retired FBI chief. An FBI agent currently on the job admitted, “I have never heard of such a form. Sounds strange.” Meanwhile, FBI agents expressed...

Dear FBI employeees who signed the NDA's, remember THIS:

Comey's decision told you that the security pledges SHE signed were WORTHLESS TOO!

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They can deny the facts all they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?
The fact that you even have to ask which statement we're referring to indicates that you know she committed perjury.
 
Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?
The fact that you even have to ask which statement we're referring to indicates that you know she committed perjury.

Does it?
I have no idea what you're referring to.
 
They can deny the facts all they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't true.

Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?

You can start with the Benghazi investigation. It's obvious she did so don't try your BS with me and if you go condescending on me like you tried on Pumpkin I'll stick it up your hole. You're playing a partisan BS game you can't win...."honey"
 
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?
The fact that you even have to ask which statement we're referring to indicates that you know she committed perjury.

Does it?
I have no idea what you're referring to.
The numerous lies she told to everyone? I even mentioned this in the post I linked you. The fact that you don't know indicates that you didn't read my post that I linked you... and the laws I was referring to by extension.
 
Yes it does. The only way this issue survives is with the assistance of a conspiracy. Conspiracies aren't fact based, they're fantasy for those that can't accept reality.
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?

You can start with the Benghazi investigation. It's obvious she did so don't try your BS with me and if you go condescending on me like you tried on Pumpkin I'll stick it up your hole. You're playing a partisan BS game you can't win...."honey"

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to. As far as I know there is no current investigation or charges for perjury. The fact that you won't say what you're referring to and there is no investigation for perjury indicates some partisan nonsense on your part.
 
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?

You can start with the Benghazi investigation. It's obvious she did so don't try your BS with me and if you go condescending on me like you tried on Pumpkin I'll stick it up your hole. You're playing a partisan BS game you can't win...."honey"

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to. As far as I know there is no current investigation or charges for perjury. The fact that you won't say what you're referring to and there is no investigation for perjury indicates some partisan nonsense on your part.
Well, you know how she was under FBI investigation? Do you know how she had to testify before the House Select Committee? Do you know how she stated she did not send or receive any information marked "Classified"? Do you know how Comey said that there was information sent and received by Hillary marked "Classified"? That would be Hillary committing perjury during her testimony.
 
The information Comey gave out showed us she absolutely did break laws.

I'm done honey. You're just talking in circles. :uhoh3::uhoh3::uhoh3: Hopefully someone else will come along to play with you.

Did Clinton commit perjury? Answer that question truthfully and all the rest of your BS is just that, BS....."honey"


On what statement to whom?

You can start with the Benghazi investigation. It's obvious she did so don't try your BS with me and if you go condescending on me like you tried on Pumpkin I'll stick it up your hole. You're playing a partisan BS game you can't win...."honey"

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to. As far as I know there is no current investigation or charges for perjury. The fact that you won't say what you're referring to and there is no investigation for perjury indicates some partisan nonsense on your part.

Then you are trying to defend something you know nothing of. Congress has sent the Justice Dept an inquiry as to if she committed perjury, that is the first needed step to open the investigation. Anyone watching the Comey hearings knew Chaffetz had her
 
REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.


That is correct.

She is not the president yet and the hillarites are already claiming that

"when Hillary does it , it means is not a crime."

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"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.

"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.


That's the Director of the FBI.

His judgement was exactly that she was too naive and inept to realize "intent". If you are HAPPY with that explanation -- you're a fool..

Meanwhile, his REAL REASON was that folks just are not PROSECUTED under those statutes. Because RARELY should criminal cases involving Classified materials GO to public trial. And that's where he fucked up. Because his preferred method of INTERNAL review and sanction just does not WORK -- if the culprit is a WH Cabinet member.
 
"Well, the experts told me this, so I instantly believe them with no verification or self-research whatsoever! I'm totally, totally an independent thinker!"

The irony of your post is astounding, at the very least.
You've got to be 12 years old, I swear.
Just translating your post for you. No need to thank me.
Lets see...who to believe...who to believe...a 12 year old girl who rides magic ponies and writes in pinkpokimonish and purple font and has exhibited she hasn't a clue what she's talking about --

Or the team of the top law enforcement experts in the country, consulting with the top prosecutors in the country, with hundreds of years of combined experience behind them who eat live and breathe this stuff day in and day out.

Who to believe....

Hmmm...That's a tough one.
You could actually read the laws I posted, so you look less ignorant. At the moment, you're just looking ignorant, closed-minded, and stubborn. So... a typical Democrat. Besides... the government lies to the people on a constant basis, and a simple glance at the laws and what Comey says pretty easily reveals that she broke the laws. any sane person would acknowledge that. What's funny is that you're not even trying to refute the laws, the evidence, or Comey's statements. You're not refuting anything directly, or even debating. You're just saying you'll take someone's word for it.

To what end?

I've got thousands of post that refute all the bullshit you think matters.

My cred with the facts and accuracy is rock solid, and has been in the 20plus years I've been posting. Take that to the bank.

Maybe if you keep typing the results will change and that magic pony can take you to never - never land.

I wouldn't bank on it though.

She did carelessly and selfishly mishandle Classified info for her convenience. And all you bluster needs to take a chill since Comey telegraphed the PREFERRED way to handle these matters. Which I've been telling folks now for MONTHS. And that is INTERNAL dept review and sanctions.

Comey TOLD you that when asked what happen at the FBI -- if that situation happened. There would be a Dept Review and the person would be FIRED, docked pay, SUSPENDED, have their Clearances REVOKED/SUSPENDED, or not be eligible for future clearances.

TWO DAYS after he made that comment, the State Dept REOPENED their INTERNAL investigation against the power whore. Still a very good chance she will LOSE her clearances (and others in her cabal) and/or face sanctions.

So --- would you STILL DEFEND the arrogant slimeball if her clearances were revoked and/or suspended for a couple years?? I need an answer....
 
If you can't prove intent then there's no violation fool. The intent is the crime. You must be able to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt to convict someone fool.
You need to lay off the glitter. Snorting that shit causes brain damage.

This is where you and Comey are wrong. There are certain crimes which "intent" has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. First degree murder, for example. You can't charge someone for first degree murder unless they intended to kill someone. Premeditation proves their intent.

Second degree murder can be with or without intent but without premeditation. You can have malice aforethought, meaning you intended to kill but didn't plan it. You can also kill someone without the intent of killing them, only doing them bodily harm. The fact that you knew your action could result in death is enough to convict on second degree.

Then you have felony murder, where you didn't intend to kill anyone but during the commission of a felony (like a robbery) you did. If you didn't intend to kill anyone but someone died as the result of your negligence, it is manslaughter and there are degrees of that as well.

So as anyone can plainly see, intent plays a big role in what crime you can be charged with. In most cases of negligence there is no requirement of intent. Reading the portion of the Espionage Act Hillary violated, there is no mention of intent and no requirement for it.
 
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This is SO pathetic... the CNN apologist makes the same idiotic argument that she "didn't intend to break the law" ...since when do you have to intend to be grossly negligent? Has anyone in history EVER been intentionally grossly negligent???
Even if that were a valid argument, there's still a massive amount of laws that didn't require it to be intentional.
How did this all work out?

"While serving as attorney general, Alberto Gonzales mishandled top secret documents, risking the release of classified information about two of the Bush administration's most sensitive counterterrorism efforts - a surveillance program and detainee interrogations.

Mishandling classified materials violates Justice Department regulations and removing them from special secure facilities without proper authorization is a crime. But a report issued Tuesday by the Justice Department's inspector general says the agency decided not to press charges against Gonzales, who resigned under fire last year.

Lawyers for Gonzales acknowledge he did not store or protect the top secret documents - a set of handwritten notes about the surveillance program and 17 other papers - as he should have.
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At issue is how, and where, Gonzales stored the documents, which are classified as sensitive compartmentalized information, or SCI.

SCI materials are among the highest and most sensitive levels of classified top secret documents and usually relate to national security cases."

DOJ: Gonzales Mishandled Top-Secret Docs
September 2, 2008, 4:12 AM


DOJ: Gonzales Mishandled Top-Secret Docs - CBS News
The damning OIG report is here:
Report - Office of the Inspector General - US Department of Justice

Give it a lil looksee. If you're pressed for time, do a Ctrl^F for TS/SCI markings.

Have fun!

"A small snip: "Gonzales told the OIG that he knew it was “very, very limited access.” However, he stated he could not say whether the program was TS or TS/SCI, although he said he knew it was of the highest level of secrecy.
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Gonzales said he “assumed” documents related to the
program bore classification markings that would have indicated the precise
classification of the program, but that he did not create such documents, so he
could not be certain...."

He took TOP SECRET classified documents home, in an unlocked briefcase, stored them in his home, unprotected. Then later kept them in a safe hall outside his office where uncleared persons had access to him.

Intent?
He shouldn't have gotten off, either. The Bushes, and the people under them, are Establishment servants, and people seem to think that puts them above the law. They're no different from the Clintons. You seem to incorrectly believe I support the Bushes, and that I'd change my mind because they're Republicans.
No. I "seem to believe" the FBI - an independent agency, and the DOJ looks at the facts of the matter, the laws, and precedence. He did "get off" after it was found he mishandled and removed to his home, unsecure, highest level Top Secret information.

Intent.

Somehow you want to treat Hillary different. The TS info on Hillary's server wasn't even marked, and was upclassed later. In Gonzales' case, it was marked at the time he took them home.

Doesn't matter whether it was marked. CONVERSATIONS rarely are. The material lives in people's heads. Not in a manilla folder with a red stamp on it. Comey told you that. She constructed a total bypass to the APPROVED channels of secure comm. And intended to do the bulk of her work on it. That is INTENTIONAL.

110 of the emails were NOT "upclassified" -- they were read by the people signed into the same SAP programs or SCI clearances and DEEMED classified. EVERY PERSON with those clearances are TRAINED to recognized classified material for those programs.

That's why there is not massive LEAKS on the Sunday Talk circuit. Because the CLEARED folks are EXPECTED to know the exact boundaries of communications and conversations. The re-tred power whore was IN CHARGE of assuring proper handling of classified information at the State Dept.

EVERY dept has it's own security review team and handles these matter internally.
 
You are lying. Comey never said such a thing. Please post a link where Comey said "for the crime she committed". The fact is that he didn't accuse Clinton of gross negligence, either, just negligence, so the case you are referring to was "gross negligence" and Comey admitted that it was starkly different than Clinton's.

He didn't explain any damn thing except that he didn't think a "reasonable prosecutor" would bring the case. He certainly DID indicate she violated this statute. He used the term "extremely careless" instead of "gross negligence" but the two terms are exactly the same in meaning. You're trying to pull a Slick Willie "meaning of is" trick here and it's not going to work for you this time. She is going to continue to be plastered as the corrupt and crooked lying ***** she is all the way to the election and this administration is going to be grilled and hounded until someone spills the beans on what kind of shady underhanded shenanigans took place. We're a nation of laws and no one is above the law, not even Queen Hildabeast!
Why FBI didn't prosecute Hillary Clinton on Email Issue - CNN Video

Awww... Do you have a source besides the Clinton News Network?
Sure do! :)

Lawyers: Legal precedent clears Clinton in email investigation



In declining to seek prosecution of Hillary Clinton, FBI Director James Comey said the former Secretary of State's handling of classified emails was "extremely careless" - conduct, legal experts said, that falls short of "gross negligence," a standard for criminal charges under the Espionage Act.

Several legal experts agreed with Comey's conclusion that there was no recent precedent for bringing such a case without evidence of willful intent or gross negligence, and they said it would have been difficult to convince a jury to convict Clinton based on the evidence.

"Extreme carelessness doesn't necessarily translate into gross negligence," said Laurie Levenson, a professor of law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and former federal prosecutor.

"The only times I have seen these statutes used has been situations in which people knew they were disclosing classified, confidential information, or they could show they didn’t really care," Levenson said.

Comey said investigators determined that Clinton exchanged 110 emails that contained government secrets and that she and her staff should have known the information was classified.

But unlike other cases prosecuted under the Espionage Act, the FBI has not suggested that Clinton intentionally shared government secrets with people not authorized to see them.

The statute for charging gross negligence under the Espionage Act, written in 1917, requires the information be "removed from its proper place," a tough legal requirement in the digital age, said Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at University of Texas.

Vladeck said the law is not "well suited for careless discussion of information in unsecured media that doesn't dispossess the government of that information or direct it right into the hands of a foreign power."

Previous cases charged under the Espionage Act have shown intent, experts said.

Defense attorney Abbe Lowell said Comey's decision was "completely consistent" with every case brought for leaking classified government information.

Defendants in other cases include Stephen Kim, Lowell's client who pleaded guilty to leaking State Department documents to the press, as well as former C.I.A. Director General David Petraeus. He admitted to keeping classified information, which he would also share with his biographer, in his home, while telling the government he had returned all such information.

"The one common denominator of all such cases is that the individual involved intentionally sent material to those not authorized to receive it, like the press, like a foreign government," Lowell said.

Comey said the FBI "did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information." But he said it did find "evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling a very sensitive, highly classified information."

His recommendation, which Attorney General Loretta Lynch previously said she would accept, angered Republicans who said her actions should be punished.

Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump reacted to the news from his Twitter account, saying, "The system is rigged. General Petraeus got in trouble for far less."

In that case, the FBI recommended a felony charge. But Attorney General Eric Holder pursued a misdemeanor under another part of the law, and Petraeus pleaded guilty. He was sentenced to two years probation in 2015.

The FBI had recordings of Petraeus acknowledging the information in notebooks in his home was highly classified. Petraeus also admitted to lying to the FBI about sharing the information with Paula Broadwell, his biographer and lover.

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy, said Clinton's cooperation with FBI investigators also may have helped her avoid charges.

"There was no obstruction of justice, no failure to cooperate truthfully with investigators, no concealment of her activity," Aftergood said.

Legal precedent suggests that Clinton is unlikely to face a misdemeanor charge for recklessness because recent cases that ended with misdemeanors began as much larger felony charges against individuals who intended to leak information.

In 2010, Thomas Drake, a whistleblower from the NationalSecurity Agency who helped expose the government's warrantless surveillance of Americans, was charged with espionage after the government accused him of bringing five classified documents home. He denied the accusation, and those charges were dropped. Drake pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count for exceeding authorized use of a computer.

"Somebody needs to ask Comey about my case," Drake, who now works at an Apple store in Maryland, wrote in an email late Tuesday.

Former president Bill Clinton's national security adviser pleaded guilty in 2005 to smuggling classified documents out of the National Archives by stuffing them under his clothes. He was fined $50,000 and sentenced to two years of probation.

(Reporting by Julia Edwards in Washington; Additional reporting by Jonathan Allen and Noeleen Walder in New York; Editing by Amy Stevens and Lisa Girion)

 
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