Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[daveman]

When the record holders all used one specific weapon

The bombers in OKC, Nashville and the Boston marathon might disagree with you

So now you want to move the goal posts to illegal bombs. Why not bring up poisoning city water supplies while you are at it?

 

[daveman]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

That's because Democrats support criminals and want them to have safe working environments.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yep.....targeting actual criminals and keeping them off of the street instead of releasing the most violent gun criminals over and over again so they can keep stealing guns and shooting people.

And vote Democrat.

Criminals keep Democrat politicians in business. As long as there are gun incidents, they believe they have a case with the American people and will gather more anti-gun support. They don't want to solve the problem, they want to use the problem for their political advantage.

I found this in Facebook this morning by a friend. It's a story of this lowlife who attacked a female police officer in one of our suburbs, beat the living hell out of her, pressed his thumbs against her eyeballs stating he's going to push them into her skull, and telling her the only reason he's going to let her live is because of his wife.

Another cop got there, arrested him, and he went to court where he was sentenced to a couple of years with the ability to get out in 9 months. Needless to say what party this judge belonged to. Now the ninth month is coming up, and he may be released by this very same liberal judge. For what, to kill somebody the next time? This is what they want.

When I was younger I studied martial arts up to black belt. Each belt had a body part focus. In the upper belts, one was the eyes, and various methods to blind somebody permanently. This violent criminal could have easily blinded this woman for life with what he did to her, and he can get out to possibly pursue her and maybe kill her this time?

Man convicted of badly beating police officer could be free by judicial release after serving 9 months in prison

A man convicted of violently assaulting a North Royalton Police Officer is granted judicial release by a Cuyahoga County Judge. Police officer Alexandra Bell says she was shocked to learn that the man she says tried to kill her could be back on the streets in just days.

www.cleveland19.com

 

[daveman]

I've got a lot of feedback, but no explanation of why anyone needs high-powered weaponry.

The AR-15 is not high powered....the 5.56 or .22 version of the rifle is weaker than the deer hunting rifle people use every fall....you have no idea what you are talking about or the issues involved........you talk out of your ass and ask questions that reveal your ignorance.....

It's not a matter of this gun or that gun. Why are you people doing this? I'm trying to find out what you folks are so afraid of. So many Americans, like me, are not afraid to live each day in these United States. You are. What gives? What's your neighborhood like? I live in one in northern Virginia in which I can find people from every nation in the world, but there are no problems, and the food is really good.

You are the one who seems to be afraid; why does freedom scare you so much?

I am not scared. I walk in the US free and not scared. What are you so scared of that you have to have a gun every time you step outside? What is your "freedom" thing about? Why do you feel so threated?

Again...

According to you rape does not exist in the U.S.?

According to you robberies do not happen in the U.S.?

According to you, no one is ever murdered in the U.S.?

Is that your stance?

No. And I never said that it was. You sound like a scared old queen.

Hmmmmm....and now we see that homophobia is also a hallmark of the left...whenever they are pressed, it gets thrown out there.....they aren't against homophobia, they simply want it as a tool to attack their enemies...

Really? What are we supposed to call these scaredy cats who have guns and moronic beards who pretend to be men (heterosexual men) but are not? Oathkeepers? Proud boys? Militia? will "white trash" do?

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[daveman]

I've got a lot of feedback, but no explanation of why anyone needs high-powered weaponry.

The AR-15 is not high powered....the 5.56 or .22 version of the rifle is weaker than the deer hunting rifle people use every fall....you have no idea what you are talking about or the issues involved........you talk out of your ass and ask questions that reveal your ignorance.....

View attachment 469877

It's the little one on the right.

Would you believe the north American Arms 22 mag. revolver is restricted in Californa

I would, because California has all but criminalized self-defense.

 

[daveman]

That’s because no one ‘needs’ an AR 15; anyone who claims to ‘need’ one is a liar.

I see you haven't yet come to terms with your inability to dictate what people need and what they don't.

I wonder if he thinks people shouldn't be allowed to buy cars that go above sixty five mph or have a range of one hundred miles. After all no one need fast or long ranged cars, they can take mass transport for long distances and airplanes for high speeds trips.

Oddly enough, the people too incompetent to properly run their own lives feel strongly that they should make everyone's decisions for them.

 

[daveman]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

The use of expanding bullets is classed as a war crime by international treaty.

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....targeting actual criminals and keeping them off of the street instead of releasing the most violent gun criminals over and over again so they can keep stealing guns and shooting people.

And vote Democrat.

Criminals keep Democrat politicians in business. As long as there are gun incidents, they believe they have a case with the American people and will gather more anti-gun support. They don't want to solve the problem, they want to use the problem for their political advantage.

I found this in Facebook this morning by a friend. It's a story of this lowlife who attacked a female police officer in one of our suburbs, beat the living hell out of her, pressed his thumbs against her eyeballs stating he's going to push them into her skull, and telling her the only reason he's going to let her live is because of his wife.

Another cop got there, arrested him, and he went to court where he was sentenced to a couple of years with the ability to get out in 9 months. Needless to say what party this judge belonged to. Now the ninth month is coming up, and he may be released by this very same liberal judge. For what, to kill somebody the next time? This is what they want.

When I was younger I studied martial arts up to black belt. Each belt had a body part focus. In the upper belts, one was the eyes, and various methods to blind somebody permanently. This violent criminal could have easily blinded this woman for life with what he did to her, and he can get out to possibly pursue her and maybe kill her this time?

Man convicted of badly beating police officer could be free by judicial release after serving 9 months in prison

A man convicted of violently assaulting a North Royalton Police Officer is granted judicial release by a Cuyahoga County Judge. Police officer Alexandra Bell says she was shocked to learn that the man she says tried to kill her could be back on the streets in just days.

www.cleveland19.com

As you know I have dozens of these types of stories......criminals with convictions for gun crimes and other violent crimes captured by police and released from jail on bond, who go out and kill, and released from prison due to light prison sentences who go out and kill.......and the common denominator is democrat party policies, judges, prosecutors and politicians who released them...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is only a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

I don't even understand that comment. What fraction of a second are you talking about? If you mean a legal gun owner may inadvertently do something against the law, then you are correct. But that's no reason to disarm that person in the first place.

Look, I drove a tractor-trailer for over 25 years. If I got into a serious accident killing several people, I could have been sent to prison for vehicular homicide. That's no reason to take trucks off the road. People who own and carry guns have a responsibility in doing so. We all know it when we purchase a firearm or apply to get a carry permit. We are trained to know the law, when it's safe to shoot and when it's unsafe, keeping firearms out of the reach of children or mentally disabled, making sure you take your gun out of your vehicle when unattended.

My earlier comment is directed at going after the criminals instead of the gun. The leftist mentality is like that school teacher you might of had in school, who punished the entire class because some kid shot a spit ball at the back of her head when she was drawing something on the blackboard.

This is exactly the same compared to what the Democrats are doing. The criminals don't care what new laws they make because those laws don't affect them. They are going to get their guns off the street, carry them whether allowed to or not, and use them for nefarious activities. The Democrat solution? Take firearms away from the general public.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As you know I have dozens of these types of stories......criminals with convictions for gun crimes and other violent crimes captured by police and released from jail on bond, who go out and kill, and released from prison due to light prison sentences who go out and kill.......and the common denominator is democrat party policies, judges, prosecutors and politicians who released them...

Which is why I've always said, the solution to our crime problem is not getting rid of guns, the solution to our crime problem is getting rid of Democrats.

 

[Flash]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

You can kill people with a .22 Derringer. You can kill people with a Barrett .50 sniper rifle.

News flash: You can kill people with any firearm, including the hunting rifles you seem to not realize are firearms.

Homework: Tell me the differences between an AR-15 and the popular Ruger Mini-14 hunting rifle.

I would be happy if one of these stupid Moon Bats could tell me how my firearms are a threat to them or how taking my AR 15s away or my magazines will make them safer.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

The use of expanding bullets is classed as a war crime by international treaty.

What has that got to do with my post? Neither the 5.56mm or the .45 ACP in military configuration are expanding bullets. Both are perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions and will be until it becomes illegal to injure an opposing combatant.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

Actually, the 45ACP rarely kills in one shot. It has a tremendous shot value and drops the recipient. Normally, if you get them proper care, they will live from one shot. But you may have to punch 16 holes with a 9mm or 6 holes with a 38spc to get the same initial effect and very few people make it to the emergency room under those conditions.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

You can kill people with a .22 Derringer. You can kill people with a Barrett .50 sniper rifle.

News flash: You can kill people with any firearm, including the hunting rifles you seem to not realize are firearms.

Homework: Tell me the differences between an AR-15 and the popular Ruger Mini-14 hunting rifle.

If you don't know you shouldn't own either of them.

 

[daveman]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

The use of expanding bullets is classed as a war crime by international treaty.

What has that got to do with my post? Neither the 5.56mm or the .45 ACP in military configuration are expanding bullets. Both are perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions and will be until it becomes illegal to injure an opposing combatant.

The discussion triggered a memory of Law Of Armed Conflict training from my military career. It also counters Vrenn's hysterical claims that the AR-15 is a scary deadly weapon designed to do nothing but kill.

 

[daveman]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

You can kill people with a .22 Derringer. You can kill people with a Barrett .50 sniper rifle.

News flash: You can kill people with any firearm, including the hunting rifles you seem to not realize are firearms.

Homework: Tell me the differences between an AR-15 and the popular Ruger Mini-14 hunting rifle.

If you don't know you shouldn't own either of them.

Oh, I know.

The homework is yours, kid. Hop to it.

 

[Vrenn]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

The use of expanding bullets is classed as a war crime by international treaty.

What has that got to do with my post? Neither the 5.56mm or the .45 ACP in military configuration are expanding bullets. Both are perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions and will be until it becomes illegal to injure an opposing combatant.

The discussion triggered a memory of Law Of Armed Conflict training from my military career. It also counters Vrenn's hysterical claims that the AR-15 is a scary deadly weapon designed to do nothing but kill.

And packing a M-16 for days on end tells me exactly what the AR was intended for. Not oncew have any of you countered the fact that the design and construction of the AR is for wholesale killing people. You gunnutters are going in my ignore file where you belong. Just like you are for most of America.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And packing a M-16 for days on end tells me exactly what the AR was intended for. Not oncew have any of you countered the fact that the design and construction of the AR is for wholesale killing people. You gunnutters are going in my ignore file where you belong. Just like you are for most of America.

That makes no sense. How is the AR intended to kill people? Looking at it that way, all guns are intended for killing people. The AR is no different than any firearm whereas if you use it for evil means, it will kill people.

This is one of the points I think all of us are making here. Outlaw or ban ARs/ AK's. Kooks will turn to an alternative weapon for mass shootings. Then we ban those brands. So they move to another model, and we ban those as well. It keeps going down the list until just about everything but a revolver is banned in the US.

You can debate us all you like, but we pro-gunners know where this is going and where the anti-gunners are hoping it ends up. That's why we need to stop it here and now.

 

[Vrenn]

And packing a M-16 for days on end tells me exactly what the AR was intended for. Not oncew have any of you countered the fact that the design and construction of the AR is for wholesale killing people. You gunnutters are going in my ignore file where you belong. Just like you are for most of America.

That makes no sense. How is the AR intended to kill people? Looking at it that way, all guns are intended for killing people. The AR is no different than any firearm whereas if you use it for evil means, it will kill people.

This is one of the points I think all of us are making here. Outlaw or ban ARs/ AK's. Kooks will turn to an alternative weapon for mass shootings. Then we ban those brands. So they move to another model, and we ban those as well. It keeps going down the list until just about everything but a revolver is banned in the US.

You can debate us all you like, but we pro-gunners know where this is going and where the anti-gunners are hoping it ends up. That's why we need to stop it here and now.

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Yeah, have to agree with this meme

The want to disarm women making them easy prey.......and they also support huge transgender "men" posing as women in sports killing sports for real women.

Ya know....why does the Left have this raging hatred for women ?