Colorado 4th grader brings legally purchased pot to sell at school

[Katzndogz]

But that's kind of my point, once pot is legalized there won't be any going back, just as there's no going back with alcohol.

Then not only will we still be fighting the scourge that is alcohol, we'll be having to deal with another one, because once pot is part of the legal distribution pipeline, it will become just as much of a problem that alcohol is. Wait and see, kids will be coming across it everywhere.

Marijuana cannot possibly become "just as much of a problem" as alcohol for several very important reasons, which are: marijuana is not addictive, nor does it cause any kind of medical problems, nor does it stimulate violent behavior. Beverage alcohol is biologically and psychologically toxic. Marijuana is benign.

Whether or not you choose to believe that it happens to be true.

Pot does NOT stimulate violent behavior. What was that again?

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[Katzndogz]

see thats what im driving at....there are lots of people who drink to put a buzz on, who will then tell you all about how dangerous pot is and why it should remain illegal...and there will be people with a Cigaret between the fingers who will tell you the same thing....pot at least for right now should be decriminalized and taken off the schedule 1 list....

But that's kind of my point, once pot is legalized there won't be any going back, just as there's no going back with alcohol.
Then not only will we still be fighting the scourge that is alcohol, we'll be having to deal with another one, because once pot is part of the legal distribution pipeline, it will become just as much of a problem that alcohol is. Wait and see, kids will be coming across it everywhere.

you may be right....but ill be damned if i will not say something about Judges deciding on a sentence for some kid in his court who had 2 Oz's of pot,who goes into his chambers and pours himself a drink and lights up a Cigarette and decides how much jail time to give the kid....its hypercritical....especially if the Judge smoked the stuff at one time....even more if he still does....Pot should at least for the time being, be Decriminalized........

Especially for ten year olds selling the stuff at school.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

But that's kind of my point, once pot is legalized there won't be any going back, just as there's no going back with alcohol.

Then not only will we still be fighting the scourge that is alcohol, we'll be having to deal with another one, because once pot is part of the legal distribution pipeline, it will become just as much of a problem that alcohol is. Wait and see, kids will be coming across it everywhere.

Marijuana cannot possibly become "just as much of a problem" as alcohol for several very important reasons, which are: marijuana is not addictive, nor does it cause any kind of medical problems, nor does it stimulate violent behavior. Beverage alcohol is biologically and psychologically toxic. Marijuana is benign.

Whether or not you choose to believe that it happens to be true.

I know that it affects people differently than alcohol.

While it doesn't cause violent tendencies like alcohol, it appears we will be dealing with the same impaired driving issues as alcohol. We've already seen an increase of fatal vehicle accidents due to the increased use of pot medically.
Once it's recreationally legal everywhere, we'll really be seeing an increase.

You say pot is not addictive. Why would you make that kind of concrete conclusion, when there's evidence that at least some people have become addicted, and at best there is no conclusive evidence that it is not ?

Same with your claim about no medical problems. For instance, it raises a persons heart beat, and lowers blood pressure. Under those conditions a persons chance of a heart attack is several times higher.
Also, marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens. The reason you don't see pot smokers getting lung cancer is simply because they don't smoke at the rate your typical cigarette smoker does. If pot smokers inhaled as much as cigarette smokers did, you'd see lung cancer rates soar.

Also there was a study just released by Northwestern Medicine and Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School, that concluded even CASUAL use is linked to brain abnormalities.

It still all comes down to availability, AND the social acceptance, and because of those factors, we will be seeing more problems due to another substance added to the legal roles.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Does that mean you agree or disagree?

If you've read any of my other posts here, you know how I feel about alcohol, so at this point I'm assuming you're just harrassing me.

I skip most of your posts due to lack of intelligent content. I only respond to poke fun at you. So again do you agree or disagree?

I can relate to that, I skip most of yours for the same reason !

 

[Unkotare]

I hope all you potheads are happy now. Of course you probably think this is just great...

 

[Harry Dresden]

But that's kind of my point, once pot is legalized there won't be any going back, just as there's no going back with alcohol.
Then not only will we still be fighting the scourge that is alcohol, we'll be having to deal with another one, because once pot is part of the legal distribution pipeline, it will become just as much of a problem that alcohol is. Wait and see, kids will be coming across it everywhere.

you may be right....but ill be damned if i will not say something about Judges deciding on a sentence for some kid in his court who had 2 Oz's of pot,who goes into his chambers and pours himself a drink and lights up a Cigarette and decides how much jail time to give the kid....its hypercritical....especially if the Judge smoked the stuff at one time....even more if he still does....Pot should at least for the time being, be Decriminalized........

Especially for ten year olds selling the stuff at school.

Katz there is no point talking with you about this....you people with the Reefer Madness mentality is like talking to a wall....it is no doubt the way Copernicus and Galileo felt talking to the church about the Earth revolving around the Sun....you see one extreme and thats the way it is.....you see a story about a guy getting in an accident who was drinking doing speed and he smoked a joint too....all you report was he was smoking pot.....you are too stupid and closed minded to be talking about this stuff....

 

[koshergrl]

They're also working hard to de-criminalize drug crimes.

Stand by for increase in murder, burglary and other violent crimes as the drug addled are allowed to rape, pillage and plunder with no consequences.

 

[MikeK]

But that's kind of my point, once pot is legalized there won't be any going back, just as there's no going back with alcohol.

Then not only will we still be fighting the scourge that is alcohol, we'll be having to deal with another one, because once pot is part of the legal distribution pipeline, it will become just as much of a problem that alcohol is. Wait and see, kids will be coming across it everywhere.

Marijuana cannot possibly become "just as much of a problem" as alcohol for several very important reasons, which are: marijuana is not addictive, nor does it cause any kind of medical problems, nor does it stimulate violent behavior. Beverage alcohol is biologically and psychologically toxic. Marijuana is benign.

Whether or not you choose to believe that it happens to be true.

I know that it affects people differently than alcohol.

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I'm glad you do. For the benefit of those who are not so aware, please describe the ways in which the effects of marijuana are different from the effects of beverage alcohol.

 

[MikeK]

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While it doesn't cause violent tendencies like alcohol, it appears we will be dealing with the same impaired driving issues as alcohol. We've already seen an increase of fatal vehicle accidents due to the increased use of pot medically.

Once it's recreationally legal everywhere, we'll really be seeing an increase.

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Don't be too sure these reports of marijuana-impaired driving are accurate.

Blood samples are taken and analyzed in every case of a fatal or serious vehicle accident. But, as I will presume you are aware, traces of THC remain in the blood for up to thirty days after ingestion while the duration of impairment effects are typically between six and thirty hours, depending on volume of ingestion. So if you smoke a joint at a party tonight, and if you have a serious car accident two weeks later, your blood will show traces of marijuana use and that finding will be added to the statistics which you, and others who are so inclined, will hasten to accept as unimpeachably valid evidence that you were stoned at the time of the accident.

Now that marijuana is gradually becoming legal it follows that more people will be enjoying its effects -- every one of whom will have traces of use in their blood for up to thirty days. So it logically follows that the blood samples of the U.S. population will show a percentile increase in marijuana use within a thirty day time frame.

The Reefer Madness tendency is to ignore this critical discrepancy and believe what the anti-pot fanatics are trying to convince us of.

 

[Katzndogz]

They're also working hard to de-criminalize drug crimes.

Stand by for increase in murder, burglary and other violent crimes as the drug addled are allowed to rape, pillage and plunder with no consequences.

The man who shot his wife is expected to use marijuana legalization as an affirmative defense in the murder case. However, decriminalization of drug crimes is not the next step in affirming cognitive impairment. The next step is the removal of age restrictions on alcohol use so that children can use booze like they use pot.

 

[Katzndogz]

Marijuana cannot possibly become "just as much of a problem" as alcohol for several very important reasons, which are: marijuana is not addictive, nor does it cause any kind of medical problems, nor does it stimulate violent behavior. Beverage alcohol is biologically and psychologically toxic. Marijuana is benign.

Whether or not you choose to believe that it happens to be true.

I know that it affects people differently than alcohol.

[...]

I'm glad you do. For the benefit of those who are not so aware, please describe the ways in which the effects of marijuana are different from the effects of beverage alcohol.

New Study of Young Adults Finds Link Between Casual Marijuana Use and Brain Abnormalities - Leah Barkoukis

There are plenty of studies out there demonstrating the effects long-term marijuana use has on users, but for the first time, researchers at Northwestern University looked into the relationship between casual marijuana use and brain changes. What they discovered, which was published in the Journal of Neuroscience, is significant. The researchers found that young adults who used marijuana even once or twice a week showed “significant abnormalities in two important brain structures,”

“There were abnormalities in their working memory, which is fundamental to everything you do,” Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author and professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told FoxNews.com. “When you make judgments or decisions, plan things, do mathematics – anything you do always involves working memory. It’s one of the core fundamental aspects of our brains that we use every day.

 

[MikeK]

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You say pot is not addictive. Why would you make that kind of concrete conclusion, when there's evidence that at least some people have become addicted, and at best there is no conclusive evidence that it is not ?

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First we need to know what you mean by "addictive." There is physical addiction and there is psychological addiction, and there is a condition known to behaviorists as the addictive personality.

Do you mean addictive as in "addiction" to caffeine, chocolate, sex with a certain partner, etc.? Or do you mean addictive as in addiction to heroin, crack cocaine, methamphetamine, beverage alcohol, or any substance which imparts a permanent or long-lasting effect either in neurochemistry or on some physical component of the brain?

Based on my own observations over the years, as well as all I've learned by studying the available information on the subject of marijuana, and, most importantly, based on my personal experience, I can say with confidence that in spite of all the available Reefer Madness hyperbole and pseudo-scientific nonsense we are bombarded with, marijuana is not addictive in the accepted sense of the word.

Along with my late wife, a clinical psychologist, I enjoyed the euphoric tranquilizing and mind-expanding effects of marijuana on a fairly regular basis throughout the 1960s and 1970s, when it was decriminalized in New York City. When Ronald Reagan, along with his Quaalude-addicted nitwit wife, saw fit to revive and escalate Nixon's War On Drugs, we both, along with several of our circle of friends, decided to stop using it when someone we knew was arrested and faced severe criminal penalties.

I will say that for a period of approximately one month we did miss the pleasurable effects we'd become accustomed to but not in any way that affected our normal lives and routines. Gradually the sense of absence faded away to nothing. So when I hear someone complain about some form of debilitating effect from marijuana withdrawal I understand such complaining to be the lament of an addictive personality, which happens to represent the extreme minority of ordinary (sensible) marijuana users. Briefly stated, anyone who asserts that he or she is or has been "addicted" to marijuana assuredly is capable of becoming "addicted" to anything from Coca Cola to pornography and chocolate-covered raisins.

 

[MikeK]

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Same with your claim about no medical problems. For instance, it raises a persons heart beat, and lowers blood pressure. Under those conditions a persons chance of a heart attack is several times higher.

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Know what else accelerates heart rate? Exercise, sex, certain movies, extreme happiness, exciting music -- and being pissed off at some of the outrageous nonsense which is routinely tossed at us by desperate Reefer Madness propagandists.

 

[MikeK]

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Also, marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens. The reason you don't see pot smokers getting lung cancer is simply because they don't smoke at the rate your typical cigarette smoker does. If pot smokers inhaled as much as cigarette smokers did, you'd see lung cancer rates soar.

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No argument. And if one took too much aspirin one would die. But does that mean aspirin is not a good thing?

The average nicotine addict smokes twenty to thirty cigarettes a day. It would be impossible for someone to smoke that many marijuana joints in a day -- regardless of potency. Also consider the fact that the tobacco in cigarettes is contaminated with more than a dozen effect-enhancing chemicals, some of which are known carcinogens. And if you would closely examine any commercially-produced cigarette you will see a progression of faint gray lines circling its entire length. These are circles of dried potassium nitrate which are implanted to keep the cigarette burning. Burned potassium nitrate residue is extremely carcinogenic.

Unadulterated cannabis sativa contains absolutely no carcinogens -- therefore no "tar" is generated by it. And the rolling papers used to make a marijuana "joint" is not ringed with potassium nitrate.

So you really should reject this desperate Reefer Madness nonsense you apparently have been indulging.

 

[MikeK]

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Also there was a study just released by Northwestern Medicine and Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School, that concluded even CASUAL use is linked to brain abnormalities.

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Another anti-pot "study."

During my wife's enrollment in her Doctoral program at Columbia, she, along with her associate candidates, were advised that NIDA (The National Institute on Drug Abuse) was interested in all research efforts in the field of drug-abuse effects. So in case you might wonder what motivates the continuing proliferation of anti-pot studies, most of which eventually are debunked as either flawed or overtly fraudulent, the simple answer is two words: research grants.

Because you obviously are an intelligent fellow I will recommend a book which I believe will substantially revise your thinking on this subject. It is, Marijuana, The Forbidden Medicine, by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, MD, PhD, Professor of Psychiatric Medicine, Harvard Medical School (available from Amazon). I sincerely believe you owe it to yourself to read this book.

 

[MikeK]

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It still all comes down to availability, AND the social acceptance, and because of those factors, we will be seeing more problems due to another substance added to the legal roles.

This was the same concern expressed by Prohibitionists when repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment was proposed. What they were saying in effect was rather than risk the potential for increased consumption of beverage alcohol, the availability and quality of which would be controlled by government, it would be better to retain the increasingly destructive and wholly counterproductive effects of Prohibition, which included massive criminal syndication, widespread distribution of contaminated and poisonous products, wasteful law-enforcement activity, and loss of substantial tax revenue.

So let's look at what we have now where marijuana is concerned. At present, anyone who wishes to use marijuana and has some money to spend can obtain it. So unless you believe that everyone (except you) will run right out and buy an ounce as soon as it is legalized, why not research the effect of pot decriminalization in the Netherlands in 1976. Briefly stated, there was a transitory surge of public interest during the first few months, which gradually diminished and presently is of zero concern -- with the single exception of drug tourism, mainly American. One important difference has been the reduction in marijuana use by adolescents who seem to have lost interest since the mystique of illegality has been lost.

So rather than concern yourself with negative potential, most of which is concocted by the Reefer Madness establishment, think about the positive prospects of marijuana legalization, beginning with elimination of the socially destructive effect of our existing national prison census and the monumental waste of the law-enforcement resources devoted to the counterproductive banning of a relatively benign natural plant.

I suggest you perform some simple research on the effects of marijuana decriminalization in New York City of the sixties and seventies. What you will find is there were absolutely no negative consequences and the crime rate diminished considerably, owing mainly to the constructive re-direction of law-enforcement resources. In other words, the cops and the courts stopped wasting their time on marijuana prosecution and focused on real crime.