Closure of Al-Aqsa mosque for first time by IOF terrorists

[Shusha]

Think of German nationalism in the 1930s, what was it about that that was "so triggering"?

Okay, I'll bite. What about 1930s German nationalism is equivalent or comparable to Jewish nationalism? (Again, what is inherently evil about Jewish nationalism as a concept).

 

[Kruska]

Jews having “ self determination “ inside a Palestinian State? Don’t think that would have worked out especially after the Holocaust.

It clearly would not have worked out - since the Muslim/Christian Palestinians and Arabs had made it abundantly clear, that they would not tolerate a Jewish State on Palestinian lands. They initially didn't object to a Jewish-homeland aka Jewish settlements under Palestinian governance.

How does a Minority population obtain “ self determination “?

It would have been impossible - unless via military force by the Mandate Power or the Jews.

Palestinians were always against the influx of Jews. The Grand Mufti is just one small example of the mindset. After WW 11 with the influx of Jews there would be a Civil War

Naturally - and the Mufti only rose to prominence due to objecting British colonialism, the sale of lands by the British government to Jews - financed foremost by the Rothschild's and allowing for further Jewish settlers and refugees from entering Palestine. The same anti-British colonialism issue pertained to Iraq. Logically the Arab nationalists looked for Nazi Germany to help them.

Which they never did - aside from a mediocre mission to Iraq. But skillfully used the Arabs - the Mufti, to persuade tens of thousands of Bosnian and other Yugoslav Muslims to volunteer for the Wehrmacht and SS.

 

[Churchill]

Not so. Israel has defined borders. Always has, since the moment of her declaration of independence. Those borders can be found in a number of legal documents, including the peace treaties between Israel and Jordan and Israel and Egypt.

There is no question where Israel's borders are.

There never is, until the next time they change.

Here's an idea -- don't make war on Israel, and she won't need to defend herself. It is disingenuous to ignore that whole part of the conflict, as though Israel is just taking land because she "chooses" to.

Israel seeks war and enjoys war, especially when a superpower pays for it. Indigenous people have a right (see UN charter) to resist foreign occupation, even violently, now the Zionist crap hole is getting hammered by Iranian missiles all because Nazinyahu wants to play God, this is what he's done to Jews.

Iranian missile hits town hosting Israel’s nuclear facility, 39 injured

Trump says Strait of Hormuz must be protected from Iranian attacks 'by other nations who use it'.

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Looks like the ability to intercept has dropped a notch, I wonder why...

Oh, please. Evacuations for war are not ethnic cleansing.

 

[Kruska]

Another thing that is never really talked about, that is the Jewish Ghetto police who operated in the Warsaw Ghetto and others, they took part in the ghetto roundups of other Jews for transport to the camps, i try not to be too critical because they were in a near impossible situation, but i could never have seen myself being part of that, for one thing even if they survived themselves living with that treachery for the rest of my life would have been impossible it would have haunted me forever.

Well - everyone wants to survive or have a better life - this off course also applies to Jews. If I would have had to take care of my family, I would have applied for a job serving the Nazis.

During the Eichmann trial in Israel, the court had to clear the spectators beating up each other, upon Eichmann stating - that without the great support by the Jewish council in Budapest - he couldn't have managed to clear the Jews out of Hungary.

 

[Kruska]

Not so. Israel has defined borders. Always has, since the moment of her declaration of independence. Those borders can be found in a number of legal documents, including the peace treaties between Israel and Jordan and Israel and Egypt. There is no question where Israel's borders are.

Bullshit - and YOU haven't managed to come up with any map, that would aid your false claim. Despite me calling on you repeatedly to do so.

 

[Shusha]

There never is, until the next time they change.

Israel's borders haven't ever changed (unless you want to count the renunciation of claims over Gaza).

 

[Shusha]

Bullshit - and YOU haven't managed to come up with any map, that would aid your false claim. Despite me calling on you repeatedly to do so.

I have provided a map. You just don't like the facts.

 

[Deadstick]

Well - everyone wants to survive or have a better life - this off course also applies to Jews. If I would have had to take care of my family, I would have applied for a job serving the Nazis.

During the Eichmann trial in Israel, the court had to clear the spectators beating up each other, upon Eichmann stating - that without the great support by the Jewish council in Budapest - he couldn't have managed to clear the Jews out of Hungary.

Well you may think it's easy for me to say but death is sometimes better than living with that for the rest of my life which would be worse than death, like the Jewish fighters in the Ghetto better to die in combat than live on your knees, i

mean look at the French resistance and other resistance groups they could have kept their heads down in the occupation but many Frenchmen and Women chose to make a stand and join the resistance, same in the Soviet Union many joined the Partizans when some people collaborated with the Nazis for a easier life.

 

[Churchill]

Israel's borders haven't ever changed (unless you want to count the renunciation of claims over Gaza).

Perhaps those borders need to shrink a little more.

 

[Churchill]

Time to call trumpy!

 

[Shusha]

Perhaps those borders need to shrink a little more.

Hmmmm. You guys are always arguing that you can't take land by force. Except Israel, I guess. Arguing for war crimes is not a good look.

 

[Deadstick]

The Dimona strike.

 

[Kruska]

Well you may think it's easy for me to say but death is sometimes better than living with that for the rest of my life which would be worse than death, like the Jewish fighters in the Ghetto better to die in combat than live on your knees.

At the time (Warsaw ghetto before 1944) they had no idea - only non-certified rumors about Jews being killed in special-camps. Till then they simply chose a way to survive. As for those Concentration&Extermination camps and their inmates - to me the question does arise in regards to resistance.

In those British concentration camps - resistance on behalf the Boer captives - did not arise, since they kept their hopes that the British would feed them the next day.

And IIRC - there were no Concentration camps for French civilians.

 

[Churchill]

The Dimona strike.

That's terrible, using a bomb shelter as a human shield for a nuke military installation, but didn't the Israelis once say that makes it a legitimate target.

Anyway this war is about degrading abilities to make nukes so I guess this was long overdue.

 

[Kruska]

I have provided a map. You just don't like the facts.

The only idiotic map YOU forwarded was an official map by the British, that showed an independent Trans-Jordan and a remaining British Mandated Palestine - with absolutely no indication of a Jewish State. You pathetic looser.

 

[Churchill]

 

[Churchill]

 

[Churchill]

Hmmmm. You guys are always arguing that you can't take land by force. Except Israel, I guess. Arguing for war crimes is not a good look.

Not at all, I'm referring to the second exodus that is about to start as intelligent, well heeled Israelis start realizing that Zionism has failed to create a safe home for Jews and get the f**k out.

It's a shame the US has toughened up its asylum seeker laws, they could have headed there.

Anyone else noticing how dead qualifies as a very severe injury in the Israeli news?

 

[Shusha]

The only idiotic map YOU forwarded was an official map by the British, that showed an independent Trans-Jordan and a remaining British Mandated Palestine - with absolutely no indication of a Jewish State. You pathetic looser.

There is no other State that came out of the Mandate for Palestine, nor any other government, nor any other peoples with an acknowledged right. Trans-Jordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The Western Mandate became Israel.

The documentary proof is in the Mandate for Palestine which recognizes the right of the Jewish people to re-constitute their national homeland, create self-governing institutions, and develop the country. Further, we have the concept in customary law of uti posseditis juris, in which a newly declared State takes on the borders of the previous administration. And we have the peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt which define where Israel ends and those States begin.

Which borders are you disputing? The one with Syria? With Lebanon? With Egypt? Or with Jordan?

 

[Shusha]

Not at all, I'm referring to the second exodus that is about to start as intelligent, well heeled Israelis start realizing that Zionism has failed to create a safe home for Jews and get the f**k out.

It's a shame the US has toughened up its asylum seeker laws, they could have headed there.

Lol. You don't actually know any Israelis, do you?