Close the USPS, cut 600,000 people and 30,000 offices?

[OKTexas]

Irrelevant question.

Wrong, not in the context of the conversation.

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[struth]

Who was the first Postmaster General?

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Sam Osgood. At least under the current Constitution

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

They need to fix the post office, perhaps get out of the package business and stick to actual mail. It is is one of the few services that reaches rural Americans consistently. Many Americans would be left without service if mail delivery was made private. Currently physical mail is not very popular, but that could change given Biden's desire to stir up trouble with nations known for hacking.

Right. The mail service is easy to kick, like an old dog laying in the yard.

But for many rural and far flung people and cities it's the only way to get
mail. No one (but the USPS) is going to deliver mail to Busted Stump, Arkansas because it
is impossible to do it and make a profit.

Get the post office out of the parcel business and stop inundating it with junk mail which
business's just love. Because it also costs them next to nothing.

 

[OKTexas]

Sam Osgood. At least under the current Constitution

I see you're aware that Post Office predates the constitution.

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[struth]

I see you're aware that Post Office predates the constitution.

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sure, the united states didn’t invent the idea of postal service

 

[Flash]

Yeah, let's get rid of one of the few things the feds do that is actually constitutionally mandated. So you might want to see Article 5.

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The Moon Bats want to do away with the Second Amendment and they really hate the First so why the hell not?

Computers, the Internet and fed Ex/UPS has made the post office obsolete.

 

[Sunsettommy]

yep the Constitution the power to create it, it doesn’t however mandate they do.

Having the power to do something doesn’t mean you have to do it

That is a weak argument since the Congress is GIVEN that power to do it which they have done so in various capacity over the decades thus arguing over it becomes moot.

The problem is that the Feds are doing a TERRIBLE job running it here is one possible way to make it work a lot better.

Insititute for Policy Studies

How Congress Manufactured a Postal Crisis — And How to Fix it​

July 15, 2019
Sarah Anderson, Scott Klinger, Brian Wakamo

Excerpt:

In 2006, Congress passed a law that imposed extraordinary costs on the U.S. Postal Service. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) required the USPS to create a $72 billion fund to pay for the cost of its post-retirement health care costs, 75 years into the future. This burden applies to no other federal agency or private corporation.

If the costs of this retiree health care mandate were removed from the USPS financial statements, the Post Office would have reported operating profits in each of the last six years. This extraordinary mandate created a financial “crisis” that has been used to justify harmful service cuts and even calls for postal privatization. Additional cuts in service and privatization would be devastating for millions of postal workers and customers.

LINK

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There is a list of FOUR main changes needed to make it run better.

 

[Lesh]

Yes, absolutely. It's a money sink and needs to be dealt with.

MSN

www.msn.com

Great.

The GOP wants to ADD more than a half million to the unemployment rolls

 

[Kondor3]

1. fire all existing USPS leadership

2. bring-in a joint task force of FedEx, UPS, DHL Express and Amazon, to run the place in the interim

3. convert USPS back to being a pure government agency, not the red-headed step-child hybrid that is is today

4. all employees are converted back to General Schedule (GS-) pay grades subject to the same rules as any other Federal employee

5. joint task force ( FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon ) creates new performance metrics for all employees consistent with those in similar roles on the outside

6. all new employees have same retirement benefits as any other Fed ( Social Security + FERS + TSP )

7. convert existing USPS pension to same SS + FERS + TSP ( lump sums going into FERS from old fund )

8. joint task force ( FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon ) continues to run USPS (as it is newly constituted) for a few years until it's running well enough to turn loose

9. joint task force ( FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon ) hires new leadership and management at all levels prior to turning the newly-revitalized agency loose on its own

10. Congress watches USPS like a hawk from Loose Day onwards

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Or some-such...

Never gonna happen, but it's probably close to what's needed...

 

[AMart]

The post office needs to be shut down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Total waste of money.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Total waste of money.

Little reminder:

The Postal Service receives no tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.

So why do you really hate it so much?

 

[22lcidw]

If postal workers throw away voting ballots which we have arguments on these boards on, that in itself is enough to make changes to them. Progs are not going to disband the Pot office. To many votes for them.

 

[OKTexas]

The Moon Bats want to do away with the Second Amendment and they really hate the First so why the hell not?

Computers, the Internet and fed Ex/UPS has made the post office obsolete.

The execution is obsolete, not the concept.

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[22lcidw]

The execution is obsolete, not the concept.

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There is a connection to people with U.S. Mail Service. For it is like a contact from one person to another from a distance and brings comfort besides bills and bad news.

 

[OKTexas]

There is a connection to people with U.S. Mail Service. For it is like a contact from one person to another from a distance and brings comfort besides bills and bad news.

Yep, normal communications that the NSA can't eavesdrop on. All these evites and ecards suck hairy balls. The commies have been pushing nonpersonal interactions for years.

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[Colin norris]

Yes, absolutely. It's a money sink and needs to be dealt with.

MSN

www.msn.com

So it's those unions you don't like.
I knew there was no logic until I read that.
We can't have those communist unions running it and demanding poor people get higher wages.
That's completely contrary to the Republican policy.

 

[KissMy]

The Moon Bats want to do away with the Second Amendment and they really hate the First so why the hell not?

Computers, the Internet and fed Ex/UPS has made the post office obsolete.

It cost 20 times more to send a letter FedEx/UPS.

23% of US doesn't have internet.

Often FedEx and UPS outsource the last leg of a delivery, particularly in rural areas, to USPS that is obligated to deliver mail to all addresses in the United States, thus alleviating the unprofitable burden from FedEx and UPS.

 

[maybelooking]

Right. The mail service is easy to kick, like an old dog laying in the yard.

But for many rural and far flung people and cities it's the only way to get
mail. No one (but the USPS) is going to deliver mail to Busted Stump, Arkansas because it
is impossible to do it and make a profit.

Get the post office out of the parcel business and stop inundating it with junk mail which
business's just love. Because it also costs them next to nothing.

im about as rural as you can get. we can get Fedex and UPS here and about the only thing we get from regular mail is junk and bullshit.

 

[Grumblenuts]

It cost 20 times more to send a letter FedEx/UPS.

23% of US doesn't have internet.

Often FedEx and UPS outsource the last leg of a delivery, particularly in rural areas, to USPS that is obligated to deliver mail to all addresses in the United States, thus alleviating the unprofitable burden from FedEx and UPS.

Yep, "privatize the profits, socialize the losses" writ large. Our corporate stooges have even shed their thin veils here.

 

[Flash]

It cost 20 times more to send a letter FedEx/UPS.

23% of US doesn't have internet.

Often FedEx and UPS outsource the last leg of a delivery, particularly in rural areas, to USPS that is obligated to deliver mail to all addresses in the United States, thus alleviating the unprofitable burden from FedEx and UPS.

You can send an internet message (letter) essentially for free.

You do understand that the USPS is subsidize by the filthy ass Federal government, don't you?

Why should I have to pay so that some person living in rural Montana can get mail six days a week?