Climate Inequality: Billionaires emit more carbon in 90 minutes than you will in your lifetime.

[expat_panama]

Is it no one is willing to say ... or you didn't understand...

It's been interesting but for some reason we're not communicating. If you ever find out the temperature of whatever that's heating along w/ why the heating's bad, do let me know.

 

[petro]

And if I may add a question:

What is the best temperature for the planet?

No one can explain what Earths ideal climate is.

Apparently it must be right now and we must make every effort to stop normal weather from destroying areas where short sighted humans built mega cities in historically flood prone areas.
They are literally arguing for a static Earth and through massive spending they think we can lock in the climate to its current configuration.

 

[expat_panama]

The ocean has 300 times the mass of the atmosphere, not 3000.

The ocean contains 1000 times the heat of the atmosphere. That's where the majority of solar energy the earth receives is stored.

As I said before, what's heating --is it the oceans, the oceans + atmosphere, some part of the earth? Please forgive me for repeating myself but nobody is willing to say what's heating and what it's temp is --along w/ info on why the current temp. is too hot.

 

[expat_panama]

The current temperature isn't too hot. It's 2C cooler than the previous interglacial period.
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Interesting. Makes sense, but there are a lot of folks who'd disagree w/ you. Then again any disagreement would probably not be on scientific terms.

 

[expat_panama]

The sun is the source of all heating. It is remarkably consistent in the energy it supplies...

many people say that, tho iirc nobody's gotten into the impact of orbital variations. For example between January and July the amount of radiation can vary 7%, and some say that this could change the average earth surface temperature 3C. To me that represents a difference far greater than the 1C rise we supposedly have had over the past century.

It's my bet that orbital variations are a major contributor to glaciation cycles.

 

[ding]

many people say that, tho iirc nobody's gotten into the impact of orbital variations. For example between January and July the amount of radiation can vary 7%, and some say that this could change the average earth surface temperature 3C. To me that represents a difference far greater than the 1C rise we supposedly have had over the past century.

It's my bet that orbital variations are a major contributor to glaciation cycles.

They aren't. Other than affecting wind patterns which affect ocean currents. The sun is remarkably constant. Orbital forcing is a red herring. The IPCC doesn't include them in their energy balances. In fact they say the sun cannot be causing the current warming because it is constant.

 

[marvin martian]

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The climate priests love their private jets.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Hopefully someone has pointed this out already, but those figures for Billionaires emitting carbon include the corporations in which the billionaires own shares.

Of course corporations emit carbon, expecially corperations that make windmills, solar panels, electrict vehicles and save-the-planet t-shirts.

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These corporations employ people, and manufacture the goods we use to avoid living a primitive and feral lifestyle.

 

[ding]

Interesting. Makes sense, but there are a lot of folks who'd disagree w/ you. Then again any disagreement would probably not be on scientific terms.

I don't know how they could disagree the current temperature isn't 2C cooler than the previous interglacial period. It's a matter of public record. I am not aware of anyone who disagrees with the empirical paleoclimate evidence of the geologic record.

 

[ding]

As I said before, what's heating --is it the oceans, the oceans + atmosphere, some part of the earth? Please forgive me for repeating myself but nobody is willing to say what's heating and what it's temp is --along w/ info on why the current temp. is too hot.

Maybe you don't understand how earth's energy balance works. The planet can be net cooling or net warming even if the solar radiation never changes one bit. It's how the climate works. Heat comes in and heat goes out. It's not always in a perfect balance but it is always working toward being balanced. There are many factors involved. But for the last 3 million years the major planetary driver has been the northern hemisphere.

 

[ReinyDays]

It's been interesting but for some reason we're not communicating. If you ever find out the temperature of whatever that's heating along w/ why the heating's bad, do let me know.

I did ... 13ºC ... air temperature ... what you asked for ...

 

[expat_panama]

I don't know how they could disagree the current temperature isn't 2C cooler than the previous interglacial period. It's a matter of public record. I am not aware of anyone who disagrees with the empirical paleoclimate evidence of the geologic record.

When you do a quick google, most times the concern is the temp increase over the past 100 years and everything else is somehow not important. My concern is that nobody seems to be willing to say what it is that's heating up.

They aren't. Other than affecting wind patterns which affect ocean currents. The sun is remarkably constant. Orbital forcing is a red herring. The IPCC doesn't include them in their energy balances.

--and there are other sources that say for example, that the average earth surface temp varies 3C from July to January. For me this is a controversy and I'm aware that there are some folks that don't believe controversy exists, that there are only the good people who are correct and the bad people who are wrong and say lies.

In fact they say the sun cannot be causing the current warming because it is constant.

Huh. You believe there's warming. Can you please tell me what mass is warming?

Maybe you don't understand how earth's energy balance works...

OK, I'm a bad guy and it's all my fault.

Meanwhile there are some things that we can agree on. One should be the idea that energy exists, that it flows from the sun to the earth, and it's radiated out from the earth. Sometimes there's a difference between the amount of energy that comes in and flows out and that's when the earth changes temperature. Are we still together?

 

[expat_panama]

I did ... 13ºC ... air temperature ... what you asked for ...

Yes of course and I do thank you. Maybe I'm not being clear enough. One additional thing I need is an identification of what it is that's heating and the other thing I'm also asking is how we know that the current temperature is excessive.

If I can get those two data/info then I can uncerstand what the climate concern is.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is no worldwide emphasis to stop killing the planet, now doubters and skeptics and selfish assholes all over the world have a champion in the White House.

Sad, but predictiable.



Fifty of the world’s richest billionaires on average produce more carbon through their investments, private jets and yachts in just over an hour and a half than the average person does in their entire lifetime, a new Oxfam report reveals today. The first-of-its-kind study, “Carbon Inequality Kills,” tracks the emissions from private jets, yachts and polluting investments and details how the super-rich are fueling inequality, hunger and death across the world. The report comes ahead of COP29 in Baku, Azerbaijan, amidst growing fears that climate breakdown is accelerating, driven largely by the emissions of the richest people.

If the world continues its current emissions, the carbon budget (the amount of CO2 that can still be added to the atmosphere without causing global temperatures to rise above 1.5°C) will be depleted in about four years. However, if everyones emissions matched those of the richest one percent, the carbon budget would be used up in under five months. And if everyone started emitting as much carbon as the private jets and superyachts of the average billionaire in Oxfam’s study, it would be gone in two days.

“The super-rich are treating our planet like their personal playground, setting it ablaze for pleasure and profit. Their dirty investments and luxury toys —private jets and yachts— aren’t just symbols of excess; they’re a direct threat to people and the planet,” said Oxfam International Executive Director Amitabh Behar.

“Oxfam’s research makes it painfully clear: the extreme emissions of the richest, from their luxury lifestyles and even more from their polluting investments, are fueling inequality, hunger and —make no mistake— threatening lives. It’s not just unfair that their reckless pollution and unbridled greed is fueling the very crisis threatening our collective future —it’s lethal," said Behar.

The report, the first-ever study to look at both the luxury transport and polluting investments of billionaires, presents detailed new evidence of how their outsized emissions are accelerating climate breakdown and wreaking havoc on lives and economies. The world’s poorest countries and communities have done the least to cause the climate crisis, yet they experience its most dangerous consequences.

Oxfam found that, on average, 50 of the world’s richest billionaires took 184 flights in a single year, spending 425 hours in the air —producing as much carbon as the average person would in 300 years. In the same period, their yachts emitted as much carbon as the average person would in 860 years.

• Jeff Bezos’ two private jets spent nearly 25 days in the air over a 12-month period and emitted as much carbon as the average US Amazon employee would in 207 years. Carlos Slim took 92 trips in his private jet, equivalent to circling the globe five times.
• The Walton family, heirs of the Walmart retail chain, own three superyachts that in one year produced as much carbon as around 1,714 Walmart shop workers.

Billionaires’ lifestyle emissions dwarf those of ordinary people, but the emissions from their investments are dramatically higher still —the average investment emissions of 50 of the world’s richest billionaires are around 340 times their emissions from private jets and superyachts combined. Through these investments, billionaires have huge influence over some of the world’s biggest corporations and are driving us over the edge of climate disaster.

Billionaires emit more carbon pollution in 90 minutes than the average person does in a lifetime | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/11/04/methane-emissions-microbes-climate-change/

I'm sure most media outlets will then decide to pump out stories about how great the rich people are, so we all forget very quickly.

 

[EMH]

As I said before, what's heating --is it the oceans, the oceans + atmosphere, some part of the earth? Please forgive me for repeating myself but nobody is willing to say what's heating and what it's temp is --along w/ info on why the current temp. is too hot.

The only thing warming on Earth is the surface of growing urban areas. Other than that, Earth climate data has read precisely


1. NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
2. NO WARMING in the OCEANS
3. NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
4. NO BREAKOUT in CANE ACTIVITY
5. NO OCEAN RISE

and most importantly that which busts the Co2 FRAUD completely

6. NO RISE in SURFACE AIR PRESSURE

 

[EMH]

Sometimes there's a difference between the amount of energy that comes in and flows out and that's when the earth changes temperature

The whole "Solar Cycle" pushed by Faux News and faux "skeptics" is 100% bullshit and put out by Co2 FRAUd = you paid for it.

What causes Earth climate change is the position of land near the poles and tectonic plate movement.

 

[ding]

When you do a quick google, most times the concern is the temp increase over the past 100 years and everything else is somehow not important. My concern is that nobody seems to be willing to say what it is that's heating up.

The oceans and the atmosphere are warming just like they have done every time the northern hemisphere deglaciated over the past 3 million years. Of which there have been 30 such occurrences. They have been warming since the last glacial maximum which was 20,000 years ago.

 

[ding]

--and there are other sources that say for example, that the average earth surface temp varies 3C from July to January. For me this is a controversy and I'm aware that there are some folks that don't believe controversy exists, that there are only the good people who are correct and the bad people who are wrong and say lies.

That's just weather.

 

[ding]

Huh. You believe there's warming. Can you please tell me what mass is warming?

Yes. The oceans and the atmosphere. There's nothing unusual about it.

 

[ding]

OK, I'm a bad guy and it's all my fault.

Meanwhile there are some things that we can agree on. One should be the idea that energy exists, that it flows from the sun to the earth, and it's radiated out from the earth. Sometimes there's a difference between the amount of energy that comes in and flows out and that's when the earth changes temperature. Are we still together?

I didn't say you were a bad guy or that it is your fault. I said you don't understand how the earth's energy balance/budget works. No, I can't agree with your belief that the sun is responsible for the planet's temperature fluctuations. It's how the planet distributes that heat that determines the planet's climate and whether it is a net warming or net cooling. When the northern hemisphere glaciates the albedo increases and reflects more solar radiation back into space without it ever contributing to warming. It's albedo changes in the northern hemisphere which has caused the temperature fluctuations of the past 3 million years. And that is being driven by how heat is or isn't circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic.