Climate Inequality: Billionaires emit more carbon in 90 minutes than you will in your lifetime.

I know how your type operates, it's basically a gish gallop with science. I think that is basically how you all operate online?
Actually it's just the geologic record and common sense.

It's idiotic to believe the atmosphere - which is 1/300th the mass of the ocean and contains 1/1000th the heat of the ocean - drives the climate of the planet.

The geologic record - which is filled with empirical climate evidence - backs this up.

You've studied nothing. I've been studying this for over 20 years. You should STFU.
 
Actually it's just the geologic record and common sense.

It's idiotic to believe the atmosphere - which is 1/300th the mass of the ocean and contains 1/1000th the heat of the ocean - drives the climate of the planet.

The geologic record - which is filled with empirical climate evidence - backs this up.

You've studied nothing. I've been studying this for over 20 years. You should STFU.

Are you a scientific pariah? Do you, or ever have you, received funding for "research" from the petroleum industry?
 
There is no worldwide emphasis to stop killing the planet, now doubters and skeptics and selfish assholes all over the world have a champion in the White House.

Sad, but predictiable.



Fifty of the world’s richest billionaires on average produce more carbon through their investments, private jets and yachts in just over an hour and a half than the average person does in their entire lifetime, a new Oxfam report reveals today. The first-of-its-kind study, “Carbon Inequality Kills,” tracks the emissions from private jets, yachts and polluting investments and details how the super-rich are fueling inequality, hunger and death across the world. The report comes ahead of COP29 in Baku, Azerbaijan, amidst growing fears that climate breakdown is accelerating, driven largely by the emissions of the richest people.

If the world continues its current emissions, the carbon budget (the amount of CO2 that can still be added to the atmosphere without causing global temperatures to rise above 1.5°C) will be depleted in about four years. However, if everyones emissions matched those of the richest one percent, the carbon budget would be used up in under five months. And if everyone started emitting as much carbon as the private jets and superyachts of the average billionaire in Oxfam’s study, it would be gone in two days.

“The super-rich are treating our planet like their personal playground, setting it ablaze for pleasure and profit. Their dirty investments and luxury toys —private jets and yachts— aren’t just symbols of excess; they’re a direct threat to people and the planet,” said Oxfam International Executive Director Amitabh Behar.

“Oxfam’s research makes it painfully clear: the extreme emissions of the richest, from their luxury lifestyles and even more from their polluting investments, are fueling inequality, hunger and —make no mistake— threatening lives. It’s not just unfair that their reckless pollution and unbridled greed is fueling the very crisis threatening our collective future —it’s lethal," said Behar.

The report, the first-ever study to look at both the luxury transport and polluting investments of billionaires, presents detailed new evidence of how their outsized emissions are accelerating climate breakdown and wreaking havoc on lives and economies. The world’s poorest countries and communities have done the least to cause the climate crisis, yet they experience its most dangerous consequences.

Oxfam found that, on average, 50 of the world’s richest billionaires took 184 flights in a single year, spending 425 hours in the air —producing as much carbon as the average person would in 300 years. In the same period, their yachts emitted as much carbon as the average person would in 860 years.


  • Jeff Bezos’ two private jets spent nearly 25 days in the air over a 12-month period and emitted as much carbon as the average US Amazon employee would in 207 years. Carlos Slim took 92 trips in his private jet, equivalent to circling the globe five times.
  • The Walton family, heirs of the Walmart retail chain, own three superyachts that in one year produced as much carbon as around 1,714 Walmart shop workers.
Billionaires’ lifestyle emissions dwarf those of ordinary people, but the emissions from their investments are dramatically higher still —the average investment emissions of 50 of the world’s richest billionaires are around 340 times their emissions from private jets and superyachts combined. Through these investments, billionaires have huge influence over some of the world’s biggest corporations and are driving us over the edge of climate disaster.




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We've built an unsustainable civilization structured in ways that we cannot deviate from, partly due to the moneyed interests and owners that have a vested interest in preserving the immediate status quo. We're propagandized into all sorts of mindless consumption plus operate in poorly designed system from which there's no real power for the consumers to change. We're also propagandized into believing that moving away from the status quo to a possible sustainable system is an assault on freedom. I guess we'd rather be martyrs defending a bunch of bad choices.
Think globally, act locally. Turn off your computer and open all the breakers in your electrical service.
 
Sounds like what you're saying (please correct me if I misinterpret) is that the man made green house is heating something up and it's unprecedented.

Is there a chance you could tell me what the current temperature of whatever that's heating is, and what it's temperature was before, and how you know this is unusual?
And if I may add a question:

What is the best temperature for the planet?
 
Are you a scientific pariah? Do you, or ever have you, received funding for "research" from the petroleum industry?
I've studied paleoclimates for over 20 years. What have you done?
 
I took a vacation to Rocky Mountain National Park last year, it was amazing.
It's the ocean that determines the climate of the planet. Not the atmosphere. When heat is circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic the northern hemisphere deglaciates and the oceans and atmosphere warm. When heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic gets disrupted the northern hemisphere glaciates and the oceans and the atmosphere cool. Tons of data for this. No one disputes it.
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Sorry, can't help ya.
Thank you for coming back to me and your response was pretty much the same as what I hear from other advocates of AGW. Of course the fact that I can't find anyone who can say what is the temperature of whatever is heating up and why the increase is unusual, that proves nothing other than the fact that I'm not asking the right people.

The fact that nobody knows what the temperature is of whatever is heating up is an issue separate from AGW. Just the same, it seems so strange that nobody we ask has any info on something as serious as "killing the planet".
 
.. what the current temperature of whatever that's heating is, and what it's temperature was before, and how you know this is unusual?
[sigh] ...

13ºC is the 20th Century average ... today it's 14ºC ... this isn't that hard is it? ...

NOAA ...
Thank you for sharing a current temperature and the average for the previous century. All we need to know now is what it is that's heating, and the reason why the change is unwanted.

For example, you say that today in November the temperature of something is 14C versus an average of 13C. This source says that world temperatures should vary more than that from July to January because the elliptical orbit of the earth brings in 7% more radiation in January.

NOAA is as good a source as any for temperatures but we still need to know what's heating and why the temp is too hot.
 
And if I may add a question:

What is the best temperature for the planet?
Excellent question, I used to live in the temperate latitudes and I found winter heating costs + wardrobe purchases to be exorbitant. Now I live in the tropical mountains and the temp outside is 72ºF year round. Besides comfort, world food production would be better if it were hotter.

Why some folks want a colder planet is beyond me.
 
Thank you for sharing a current temperature and the average for the previous century. All we need to know now is what it is that's heating, and the reason why the change is unwanted.

It's the air itself that we're measuring ... nitrogen and oxygen molecules mixed together ... our thermometers show the average temperature of the nearest, say one liter of air around the bulb ... or whatever sensor we're using ...

"Global Warming" sounds like a good thing, because it is ... thus we use the New Speak term "Climate Change" ... as this is far more scary, and a population who's afraid will trust their government more ... similar to Xenophobia ... it's like 1984 all over again ...

There's better reasons to curtail the burning of fossil fuels ... oil profits fund Hamas ... and Al-Qaeda ... and them filthy filthy Canadians ... [shivers] ... immediate invasion is the only way to save Natural Alberta ...
 
It's the air itself that we're measuring ... nitrogen and oxygen molecules mixed together ... our thermometers show the average temperature of the nearest, say one liter of air around the bulb ... or whatever sensor we're using ...

"Global Warming" sounds like a good thing, because it is ... thus we use the New Speak term "Climate Change" ... as this is far more scary, and a population who's afraid will trust their government more ... similar to Xenophobia ... it's like 1984 all over again ...

There's better reasons to curtail the burning of fossil fuels ... oil profits fund Hamas ... and Al-Qaeda ... and them filthy filthy Canadians ... [shivers] ... immediate invasion is the only way to save Natural Alberta
OK, saying it's just the earth's atmosphere that's warming is a good step to clarity, but are we really saying that nothing else is warming --not the ice caps, not the oceans?

What's warming?
 
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