Climate Inequality: Billionaires emit more carbon in 90 minutes than you will in your lifetime.

[ReinyDays]

Yes of course and I do thank you. Maybe I'm not being clear enough. One additional thing I need is an identification of what it is that's heating and the other thing I'm also asking is how we know that the current temperature is excessive.

If I can get those two data/info then I can uncerstand what the climate concern is.

Will you please define "bad" and "excessive" ... you keep using these terms but they aren't well defined in science ...

You've been told many times what's heating up ... either you're blind stupid or trolling ...

If you're a snow skier, then higher temperatures are really really bad ...
If you're a farmer, then higher temperatures are a massive blessing ...
Science doesn't care one way or the other ...

 

[EMH]

Will you please define "bad" and "excessive" ... you keep using these terms but they aren't well defined in science ...

You've been told many times what's heating up ... either you're blind stupid or trolling ...

If you're a snow skier, then higher temperatures are really really bad ...
If you're a farmer, then higher temperatures are a massive blessing ...
Science doesn't care one way or the other ...

Minor problem - no warming outside surface of growing urban areas, none...

 

[ding]

Minor problem - no warming outside surface of growing urban areas, none...

The current warming trend began ~400 years ago.

https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-milj...594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

 

[expat_panama]

The only thing warming on Earth is the surface of growing urban areas. Other than that, Earth climate data has read precisely


1. NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
2. NO WARMING in the OCEANS
3. NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
4. NO BREAKOUT in CANE ACTIVITY
5. NO OCEAN RISE

and most importantly that which busts the Co2 FRAUD completely

6. NO RISE in SURFACE AIR PRESSURE

The point you're emphasizing here matches w/ a graphic I was recently puzzling thru...

this graphic which shows the world's temperatures rising over time and that July is 4C hotter than December. However that's crazy. The world is hotter in December because it's 3% closer to the sun and receiving 7% more radiation. That's why the earth has it's coldest temperatures in July where Antarctica is in it's winter.

The graph was supposed to show that the earth is warming. It failed. What the graphic did show was that the vast majority of the reporting stations were in the northern hemisphere --most probably in big cities.

The whole "Solar Cycle" pushed by Faux News and faux "skeptics" is 100% bullshit and put out by Co2 FRAUd = you paid for it.

What causes Earth climate change is the position of land near the poles and tectonic plate movement.

The earth's climate has changed radically overt he past 4.5 billion years and will continue --for many reasons.

 

[expat_panama]

Will you please define "bad" and "excessive" ...

All I'm doing is trying to make sense out of the AGW rant that so many good folks are into. I can guess what they mean when they say "bad" and "excessive" but it's not my rant it's what's going around. If right now you're not into the AGW story then I won't waste your time & I'll bid you my thanks for your time and wish you a good day.

 

[expat_panama]

The oceans and the atmosphere are warming just like they have done every time the northern hemisphere deglaciated over the past 3 million years. Of which there have been 30 such occurrences. They have been warming since the last glacial maximum which was 20,000 years ago.

You left out the land. A lot of folks include the land so what you're saying does not agree w/ the popular AGW story.

 

[expat_panama]

That's just weather.

Yes. The oceans and the atmosphere. There's nothing unusual about it.

I didn't say you were a bad guy or that it is your fault. I said you don't understand how the earth's energy balance/budget works. No, I can't agree with your belief that the sun is responsible for the planet's temperature fluctuations. It's how the planet distributes that heat that determines the planet's climate and whether it is a net warming or net cooling. When the northern hemisphere glaciates the albedo increases and reflects more solar radiation back into space without it ever contributing to warming. It's albedo changes in the northern hemisphere which has caused the temperature fluctuations of the past 3 million years. And that is being driven by how heat is or isn't circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic.

We're not communicating. Let's give this a rest.

 

[ding]

You left out the land. A lot of folks include the land so what you're saying does not agree w/ the popular AGW story.

It's the surrounding lands that allow northern hemisphere glaciation to spread. Not the case at the south pole.

The AGW story is wrong. The planet is naturally warming up from the last glacial period. Just like it has done 30 times over the last 3 million years.

If you don't want to believe it, don't. I couldn't care less.

 

[ding]

We're not communicating. Let's give this a rest.

Cool by me. I'm happy for you to believe whatever you want. But if you post pro AGW arguments, I'll challenge them.

 

[EMH]

The world is hotter in December because it's 3% closer to the sun and receiving 7% more radiation. That's why the earth has it's coldest temperatures in July where Antarctica is in it's winter.

Correct, and it shows that the Co2 FRAUD will fudge data and lie and get things wrong, and the media never holds them accountable...


It is pretty funny. In the topic Pluto and Surface Air Pressure the Co2 FRAUD argues that SAP goes up during winter.... missing the same thing you just noticed.

Mars, Pluto, and Earth all have SAP increases when closer to Sun.



And then they take ice core "temperatures" (really Oxygen isotope ratios) from one spot on an ice age and claim that is "global temperature."

And they squirt chemical bleach into coral and claim "warming" causes the bleaching...

In reality, they have absolutely nothing except warming from the surface of growing urban areas, and they've known that the whole time.

 

[daveman]

All the evidence of advanced civilizations on Venus melted due to Global Warming ...

American coal and SUVs are so powerful and evil, they went back in time and killed other planets!

 

[EMH]

You left out the land. A lot of folks include the land so what you're saying does not agree w/ the popular AGW story.

That individual believes/posts


WATER CAUSES ICE


and in reality she is a taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD "faux skeptic"

 

[daveman]

No one can explain what Earths ideal climate is.

Apparently it must be right now and we must make every effort to stop normal weather from destroying areas where short sighted humans built mega cities in historically flood prone areas.
They are literally arguing for a static Earth and through massive spending they think we can lock in the climate to its current configuration.

When all that's happening with that massive spending is donors and cronies get wealthy at the expense of the taxpayer.

 

[daveman]

many people say that, tho iirc nobody's gotten into the impact of orbital variations. For example between January and July the amount of radiation can vary 7%, and some say that this could change the average earth surface temperature 3C. To me that represents a difference far greater than the 1C rise we supposedly have had over the past century.

It's my bet that orbital variations are a major contributor to glaciation cycles.

Between January and July the amount of radiation varies due to axial tilt, not through orbital variation.

 

[ReinyDays]

All I'm doing is trying to make sense out of the AGW rant that so many good folks are into.

There's your mistake ... the AGW rant makes no sense ... and there's many good folk without the education to understand any of this ... yet they rant on ... I don't know why, makes feel better about themselves? ... it's a big mistake not including latent heat ... that's the physics of the matter ...

 

[expat_panama]

It's the surrounding lands that allow northern hemisphere glaciation to spread. Not the case at the south pole.

The AGW story is wrong. The planet is naturally warming up from the last glacial period. Just like it has done 30 times over the last 3 million years.

To me that's what is observable for everyone to see.

If you don't want to believe it, don't. I couldn't care less.

That's best, whether I believe something or not doesn't change any thing. As for the AGW story, I believe that there are a lot of good folks that push it, my problem is in trying to figure out what is is they're pushing because it's all so defensive and circular.

 

[expat_panama]

Between January and July the amount of radiation varies due to axial tilt, not through orbital variation.

Two questions: the first is if we agree that the earth is 3% closer to the sun in Dec. than in July --and the second is whether we agree that the inverse square law says that the earth gets 7% more radiation in Dec. than in July.

 

[expat_panama]

There's your mistake ... the AGW rant makes no sense ... and there's many good folk without the education to understand any of this ... yet they rant on ... I don't know why, makes feel better about themselves? ... it's a big mistake not including latent heat ... that's the physics of the matter ...

That's pretty much the same thinking I've reached. Thanks!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I know how your type operates, it's basically a gish gallop with science. I think that is basically how you all operate online?

Nice use of a term of which no one has heard. I had to Google it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I took a vacation to Rocky Mountain National Park last year, it was amazing.

Yeah, but you were so short, they wouldn't let you on any rides!