Climate Change Deniers Are Lying

[IanC]

Should I respond to mamooth and crick on Tiljander? I have said it all before. The cores were used upsidedown, opposite to Tiljander's interpretation, and instead of removing the contaminated end portion Mann used it as a hockey stick.

If I get around to it perhaps I will post up the Mann08 proxies from his SI.

 

[Liminal]

And yet ocean temperatures continue to rise.
Earth warms as ocean temperatures continue to rise - University World News

 

[IanC]

And yet ocean temperatures continue to rise.
Earth warms as ocean temperatures continue to rise - University World News

What is the 'right' temp for the oceans? I only ask because a lot of the proxy reconstructions of OHC have higher values in the past compared to now.

 

[Liminal]

And yet ocean temperatures continue to rise.
Earth warms as ocean temperatures continue to rise - University World News

What is the 'right' temp for the oceans? I only ask because a lot of the proxy reconstructions of OHC have higher values in the past compared to now.

I don't know. What's the right temperature? I wonder who we could ask? Maybe one of these other internet scholars can give us another impressive display of Wikipedia level knowledge.

 

[IanC]

Here is a graph from a year ago. The paper made news because it said OHC was rising faster than 'evah before'. Funny thing, this graph never made it into the press releases. I wonder why?

 

[bripat9643]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

They are a couple of con-artists who have perpetrated massive frauds and deserve to be locked up.

 

[jc456]

Perhaps you can get a grownup to read it to you and sound out all the big words. And that same grownup could read you the ******* date from the piece. That response was written in October of 2009. McIntyre has had nigh on six years to get back on those points. Running a little late, isn't he?

BTW, when McIntyre and McKittrick work on something together, it's McKittrick that's in charge. He's the one with the real education - though I know you can't tell from this.

Grownups are overrated! Ask today's computer geniuses

 

[Billy_Bob]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

You are hopeless fucktard. You constantly use and appeal to authority and then maligning fossil fuels when you dont have shred of evidence to support your position.

Why dont you lead by example... Turn of that evil computer which is made from fossil fuels and use energy to operate it also derived from fossil fuels. Leave that house your in as it was build by fossil fuels and is heated and cooled by fossil fuels.. Don't take any food with you as they were delivered, made, and grown with fossil fuels..

Go find yourself a nice cave that wont require wood for cooking or heat. You lead by example! Crick why dont you quite being hypocrite and do as your instructing others to do.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Here is a graph from a year ago. The paper made news because it said OHC was rising faster than 'evah before'. Funny thing, this graph never made it into the press releases. I wonder why?

The reason it did not make the final cut is simple, it shows all of their fear mongering a lie. The rise and falls of the past dwarf today's 0.6 deg C rise over 100 years. Putting something, that would devastate the CAGW movement into print would have been a grant removing thing. Something about having to eat is a powerful motivator..

 

[Liminal]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

You are hopeless fucktard. You constantly use and appeal to authority and then maligning fossil fuels when you dont have shred of evidence to support your position.

Why dont you lead by example... Turn of that evil computer which is made from fossil fuels and use energy to operate it also derived from fossil fuels. Leave that house your in as it was build by fossil fuels and is heated and cooled by fossil fuels.. Don't take any food with you as they were delivered, made, and grown with fossil fuels..

Go find yourself a nice cave that wont require wood for cooking or heat. You lead by example! Crick why dont you quite being hypocrite and do as your instructing others to do.

What does that make you? A hopeful fucktard? I think you've put your finger on the real problem though.....fossil fuels. A whole economy based on fossil fuels. I wonder what could go wrong there?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And yet ocean temperatures continue to rise.
Earth warms as ocean temperatures continue to rise - University World News

Lolz

The Return of the Blob

 

[IanC]

I don't know. What's the right temperature? I wonder who we could ask? Maybe one of these other internet scholars can give us another impressive display of Wikipedia level knowledge.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't reply to my comment with the OHC graph.

Did you not understand it? Perhaps you just don't like the implications. Do you think it was fair to make a big deal over high resolution recent data when even low resolution historical data is much higher?

Did you think the graph had catastrophic implications? I must admit I found the generally continuous decline to be ominous, though not in my lifetime.

 

[Liminal]

I don't know. What's the right temperature? I wonder who we could ask? Maybe one of these other internet scholars can give us another impressive display of Wikipedia level knowledge.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't reply to my comment with the OHC graph.

Did you not understand it? Perhaps you just don't like the implications. Do you think it was fair to make a big deal over high resolution recent data when even low resolution historical data is much higher?

Did you think the graph had catastrophic implications? I must admit I found the generally continuous decline to be ominous, though not in my lifetime.

What I really like is how you pretend to understand what it means.

 

[Billy_Bob]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

You are hopeless fucktard. You constantly use and appeal to authority and then maligning fossil fuels when you dont have shred of evidence to support your position.

Why dont you lead by example... Turn of that evil computer which is made from fossil fuels and use energy to operate it also derived from fossil fuels. Leave that house your in as it was build by fossil fuels and is heated and cooled by fossil fuels.. Don't take any food with you as they were delivered, made, and grown with fossil fuels..

Go find yourself a nice cave that wont require wood for cooking or heat. You lead by example! Crick why dont you quite being hypocrite and do as your instructing others to do.

What does that make you? A hopeful fucktard? I think you've put your finger on the real problem though.....fossil fuels. A whole economy based on fossil fuels. I wonder what could go wrong there?

You, like Crick are hopeless fucktards.

You deny that the earth has natural cycles and variations. You jump on the Blame America First of the IPCC, the EPA, and every left wing sycophant fool without a shred of evidence to support your assumptions. You fools blame America and Capitalism for an imaginary problem. America broke the bonds of socialism over 238 years ago and you and your ilk are trying like hell to put us back in chains. Every thing you do is aimed at killing America and killing the poor along with the middle class.

It has always been about control of people and taking of wealth from America to serve your wet dreams. You and your Ilk need to be shipped over to Europe where its already fucked up beyond repair.. Funny thing is, Germany is waking the hell up and they are telling your Ilk to get F'cked. Even those countries who have embraced socialism and its new power play of eviro-wackoism are now running scared..

 

[Liminal]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

You are hopeless fucktard. You constantly use and appeal to authority and then maligning fossil fuels when you dont have shred of evidence to support your position.

Why dont you lead by example... Turn of that evil computer which is made from fossil fuels and use energy to operate it also derived from fossil fuels. Leave that house your in as it was build by fossil fuels and is heated and cooled by fossil fuels.. Don't take any food with you as they were delivered, made, and grown with fossil fuels..

Go find yourself a nice cave that wont require wood for cooking or heat. You lead by example! Crick why dont you quite being hypocrite and do as your instructing others to do.

What does that make you? A hopeful fucktard? I think you've put your finger on the real problem though.....fossil fuels. A whole economy based on fossil fuels. I wonder what could go wrong there?

You, like Crick are hopeless fucktards.

You deny that the earth has natural cycles and variations. You jump on the Blame America First of the IPCC, the EPA, and every left wing sycophant fool without a shred of evidence to support your assumptions. You fools blame America and Capitalism for an imaginary problem. America broke the bonds of socialism over 238 years ago and you and your ilk are trying like hell to put us back in chains. Every thing you do is aimed at killing America and killing the poor along with the middle class.

It has always been about control of people and taking of wealth from America to serve your wet dreams. You and your Ilk need to be shipped over to Europe where its already fucked up beyond repair.. Funny thing is, Germany is waking the hell up and they are telling your Ilk to get F'cked. Even those countries who have embraced socialism and its new power play of eviro-wackoism are now running scared..

Your history is a little fucked up there professor. Socialism didn't exist 238 years ago.

 

[IanC]

I don't know. What's the right temperature? I wonder who we could ask? Maybe one of these other internet scholars can give us another impressive display of Wikipedia level knowledge.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't reply to my comment with the OHC graph.

Did you not understand it? Perhaps you just don't like the implications. Do you think it was fair to make a big deal over high resolution recent data when even low resolution historical data is much higher?

Did you think the graph had catastrophic implications? I must admit I found the generally continuous decline to be ominous, though not in my lifetime.

What I really like is how you pretend to understand what it means.

At least my opinions are based on evidence from both sides of the issue. Your opinions seem to be based on other people's opinions, and only from one side of the story.

 

[Liminal]

I don't know. What's the right temperature? I wonder who we could ask? Maybe one of these other internet scholars can give us another impressive display of Wikipedia level knowledge.

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't reply to my comment with the OHC graph.

Did you not understand it? Perhaps you just don't like the implications. Do you think it was fair to make a big deal over high resolution recent data when even low resolution historical data is much higher?

Did you think the graph had catastrophic implications? I must admit I found the generally continuous decline to be ominous, though not in my lifetime.

What I really like is how you pretend to understand what it means.

At least my opinions are based on evidence from both sides of the issue. Your opinions seem to be based on other people's opinions, and only from one side of the story.

Fortunately for everyone on this forum, you have the knowledge and expertise necessary to put the science into a context.

 

[Old Rocks]

As Alaska burns Anchorage sets new records for heat and lack of snow - The Washington Post

Ian, no amount of handwaving is going to make this kind of information go away. This is not models or infilling, this is what is happening right now. And, in addition, we have this;

U.S. Drought Monitor

U.S. Drought Monitor U.S. Drought Portal

We are now very close to a blowup fire season in Oregon and Washington. That is the reality of a warming climate.

 

[jc456]

They are both good scientists who have suffered absurd and undeserved persecution at the direction of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation campaign. The people who selected them for this treatment are the ones who should go to prison.

What crime, Paddie, do you believe Hansen and Mann have committed?

You are hopeless fucktard. You constantly use and appeal to authority and then maligning fossil fuels when you dont have shred of evidence to support your position.

Why dont you lead by example... Turn of that evil computer which is made from fossil fuels and use energy to operate it also derived from fossil fuels. Leave that house your in as it was build by fossil fuels and is heated and cooled by fossil fuels.. Don't take any food with you as they were delivered, made, and grown with fossil fuels..

Go find yourself a nice cave that wont require wood for cooking or heat. You lead by example! Crick why dont you quite being hypocrite and do as your instructing others to do.

What does that make you? A hopeful fucktard? I think you've put your finger on the real problem though.....fossil fuels. A whole economy based on fossil fuels. I wonder what could go wrong there?

Fossil fuel is great stuff. I have eight great grand children because of it

 

[jc456]

As Alaska burns Anchorage sets new records for heat and lack of snow - The Washington Post

Ian, no amount of handwaving is going to make this kind of information go away. This is not models or infilling, this is what is happening right now. And, in addition, we have this;

U.S. Drought Monitor

U.S. Drought Monitor U.S. Drought Portal

We are now very close to a blowup fire season in Oregon and Washington. That is the reality of a warming climate.

All natural unless you have proof of something different.