Climate Change Deniers Are Lying

[mamooth]

That makes no sense to anyone.

And Gore never predicted or said the Arctic would be ice free by now. That's a denier zombie lie that just won't die.

 

[flacaltenn]

That makes no sense to anyone.

And Gore never predicted or said the Arctic would be ice free by now. That's a denier zombie lie that just won't die.

Well I'm sure that if y'all get out your ClintonSpeak parsers, there will be a win to spin this based on the meaning of the word "is"...

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’
Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.
But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


Read more: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Daily Mail Online
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Now -- he IS irrelevent.. I'll give you that. But he has done MONSTROUS damage to the credibility of your religion and the Nobel Prix

 

[flacaltenn]

And ---- as long as resolving quotes here. This has been sitting on my desktop.. No ideological designs behind the AGW movement you say?? NO scientist is saying those kinds of things you say???

How about the Prez's Chief Science Advisor.. Hand selected to be a general of his socialist revolution for hope and change...


WH Science Czar Says He Would Use Free Market to De-Develop the United States


"A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States," Holdren wrote along with Paul and Anne H. Ehrlich in the "recommendations" concluding their 1973 book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions.

"De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation," Holdren and the Ehrlichs wrote.

"Resources must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries," Holdren and his co-authors wrote. "This effort must be largely political, especially with regard to our overexploitation of world resources, but the campaign should be strongly supplemented by legal and boycott action against polluters and others whose activities damage the environment. The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge. They must design a stable, low-consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being."



Read more: WH Science Czar Says He Would Use Free Market to De-Develop the United States


CNSNews.com asked Holdren about this passage on Tuesday after he participated in an Environmental Protection Agency forum celebrating the 40th anniversary of the Clean Air Act.

CNSNews.com asked: "You wrote ‘a massive campaign must be launched to restore a high quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States' in your book Human Ecology. Could you explain what you meant by de-develop the United States?"

Holdren responded: "What we meant by that was stopping the kinds of activities that are destroying the environment and replacing them with activities that would produce both prosperity and environmental quality. Thanks a lot."

CNSNews.com then asked: "And how do you plan on implementing that?"

"Through the free market economy," Holdren said.

CNSNews.com also asked Holdren to comment on the declaration he made in 1995 along with co-authors Paul Ehrlich and Gretchen Daily of Stanford University that mankind needed to "face up" to "a world of zero net physical growth" that would require reductions in consumption.

Yup.. The religion of CAGW ain't about ideology or politics. There is no conspiracy theory behind the science of Global Warming. You're right.. It's all out in the open where anyone who wants to see it --- can..

 

[mamooth]

Yes! Flac gave us the faked quote! I knew somebody would. After all, fact checking isn't in the denier DNA. If anyone makes a habit of fact-checking, it's not possible for them to be a denier. Therefore, I knew one of them would run to repeat Rose's forgery. It was just a matter of who'd jump first.

The actual Gore quote, as opposed to the faked quote that Flac copied from forger David Rose.

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Last September 21st, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented alarm that the North Polar ice cap is, in their words, “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.
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So, Gore made no such prediction. David Rose simply faked the Gore quote in his article. And Flac fell for it.

Flac, one of your cult leaders lied to you and played you for a patsy. Now go defend him. Your side always does, no matter how many times you're left twisting in the wind. I await to see your creative excuse as to why you being taken in by a fraud is really my fault.

You can listen to the Gore quote itself right here. It comes at around 4:35. I did. I fact check, hence I'm not a denier.

 

[mamooth]

How about the Prez's Chief Science Advisor.. Hand selected to be a general of his socialist revolution for hope and change...

Obama-is-a-socialist rants conclusively identify a person as a political cultist. Cultists will say or do anything in the name of their cult, like using faked quotes, so everything they say is assumed to be "adjusted". There's a price in credibility to be paid for strange political rants.

I especially liked this part.
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"Through the free market economy," Holdren said.
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The free market! Horrors! Sounds like pure socialism! Well, at least deniers see it that way. Don't ask me why. I think it's part of their adjusting of reality, that the free market is really socialism.

Yup.. The religion of CAGW ain't about ideology or politics.

As I've mentioned before, never use the term CAGW, as it instantly identifies the speaker as a WUWT drone.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes! Flac gave us the faked quote! I knew somebody would. After all, fact checking isn't in the denier DNA. If anyone makes a habit of fact-checking, it's not possible for them to be a denier. Therefore, I knew one of them would run to repeat Rose's forgery. It was just a matter of who'd jump first.

The actual Gore quote, as opposed to the faked quote that Flac copied from forger David Rose.

---
Last September 21st, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented alarm that the North Polar ice cap is, in their words, “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.
---

So, Gore made no such prediction. David Rose simply faked the Gore quote in his article. And Flac fell for it.

Flac, one of your cult leaders lied to you and played you for a patsy. Now go defend him. Your side always does, no matter how many times you're left twisting in the wind. I await to see your creative excuse as to why you being taken in by a fraud is really my fault.

You can listen to the Gore quote itself right here. It comes at around 4:35. I did. I fact check, hence I'm not a denier.

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released.
AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

 

[frigidweirdo]

That makes no sense to anyone.

And Gore never predicted or said the Arctic would be ice free by now. That's a denier zombie lie that just won't die.

Well I'm sure that if y'all get out your ClintonSpeak parsers, there will be a win to spin this based on the meaning of the word "is"...

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’
Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.
But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


Read more: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Now -- he IS irrelevent.. I'll give you that. But he has done MONSTROUS damage to the credibility of your religion and the Nobel Prix

So he said it "could", not that it "will" or "would"?

So he didn't say it "would be free of ice" then?

 

[flacaltenn]

How about the Prez's Chief Science Advisor.. Hand selected to be a general of his socialist revolution for hope and change...

Obama-is-a-socialist rants conclusively identify a person as a political cultist. Cultists will say or do anything in the name of their cult, like using faked quotes, so everything they say is assumed to be "adjusted". There's a price in credibility to be paid for strange political rants.

I especially liked this part.
---
"Through the free market economy," Holdren said.
---

The free market! Horrors! Sounds like pure socialism! Well, at least deniers see it that way. Don't ask me why. I think it's part of their adjusting of reality, that the free market is really socialism.

Yup.. The religion of CAGW ain't about ideology or politics.

As I've mentioned before, never use the term CAGW, as it instantly identifies the speaker as a WUWT drone.

What excuse did you expect him to dig up to preserve any dignity of the position he was given?? I read a lot of Ehrlich in the 70s, and their LACK of respect for free markets and economic freedom is what turned me from a long-haired, maggot infested, dope smoking hippy -- into the normal person I am today..

 

[flacaltenn]

That makes no sense to anyone.

And Gore never predicted or said the Arctic would be ice free by now. That's a denier zombie lie that just won't die.

Well I'm sure that if y'all get out your ClintonSpeak parsers, there will be a win to spin this based on the meaning of the word "is"...

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’
Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.
But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


Read more: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Now -- he IS irrelevent.. I'll give you that. But he has done MONSTROUS damage to the credibility of your religion and the Nobel Prix

So he said it "could", not that it "will" or "would"?

So he didn't say it "would be free of ice" then?

Glad you caught that. Because all these dire predictions of floods, drought, storms, and wars and every imaginable crisis of CATASTROPHIC GW claim can be traced back to scientists who also used the COULD's and MIGHT's as qualified. So when Hansen says that if we burn all the shale and tar fields that WILL turn this planet into Venus --- that gives the NYTimes the greenlight to quote him as saying "if Canada develops their shale and tar fields, this planet is toast" Now SEE --- that's the anatomy of lie designed to scare folks into submission.. Clever orchestration.. Good job..

 

[mamooth]

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released. AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

I parsed no words. Stop being so dishonest. You got caught making a very bad mistake. Take it like a grownup, instead of flinging dishonest accusations.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

You repeated a faked quote that changed Gore's meaning. That's your fault, not mine.

Here's a thought. Grow up and take responsibility for repeating a faked quote. Ask yourself why you were so eager to be fooled. Then ask yourself why you're blaming me for pointing out you were duped, instead of blaming Rose for feeding you the big lie. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?

 

[flacaltenn]

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released. AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

I parsed no words. Stop being so dishonest. You got caught making a very bad mistake. Take it like a grownup, instead of flinging dishonest accusations.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

You repeated a faked quote that changed Gore's meaning. That's your fault, not mine.

Here's a thought. Grow up and take responsibility for repeating a faked quote. Ask yourself why you were so eager to be fooled. Then ask yourself why you're blaming me for pointing out you were duped, instead of blaming Rose for feeding you the big lie. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?

People will judge the evidence for themselves. He brought up the Seven year study. Presented it at his Prize acceptance speech.. THat;s all true.. I don't need to club you about it.. Like you do to me. As tho your bluster matters a whit.. RIGHT NOW -- you are almost "out-denying" me..

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released. AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

I parsed no words. Stop being so dishonest. You got caught making a very bad mistake. Take it like a grownup, instead of flinging dishonest accusations.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

You repeated a faked quote that changed Gore's meaning. That's your fault, not mine.

Here's a thought. Grow up and take responsibility for repeating a faked quote. Ask yourself why you were so eager to be fooled. Then ask yourself why you're blaming me for pointing out you were duped, instead of blaming Rose for feeding you the big lie. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?

People will judge the evidence for themselves. He brought up the Seven year study. Presented it at his Prize acceptance speech.. THat;s all true.. I don't need to club you about it.. Like you do to me. As tho your bluster matters a whit.. RIGHT NOW -- you are almost "out-denying" me..

So, he said something about 7 years, you've twisted it but kept the "seven years" part and are now passing it off as something else.

Well done.

 

[jc456]

That makes no sense to anyone.

And Gore never predicted or said the Arctic would be ice free by now. That's a denier zombie lie that just won't die.

Well I'm sure that if y'all get out your ClintonSpeak parsers, there will be a win to spin this based on the meaning of the word "is"...

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’
Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.
But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.


Read more: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Now -- he IS irrelevent.. I'll give you that. But he has done MONSTROUS damage to the credibility of your religion and the Nobel Prix

Exactly

 

[Billy_Bob]

Anyway, you didn't say with what part of Hansen's comments you disagreed. Are you going to?

Both Hansen and Mann falsified their work.. Game Over!

This seems to be an approved thing is alarmist science.. John cook and many others falsifying or lying about others works to support their lies.

 

[Billy_Bob]

You know what's REALLY childish?

You post a link from some pajama blogger that slimes one of America's most accomplished climate scientists as a "serial climate misinformer". I post her credentials and bio to give you a clue as to what an unlimited ass you really are -- and you REPLY to that post with her bio in it with attacks on me..

You got NOTHING but childish.. We're done.

So if you cite her how come you don't agree, along with her, on the scientific opinion on climate change?

Judith Curry

Judith Curry - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

While Judith Curry supports the scientific opinion on climate change,[15] she has argued that climatologists should be more accommodating of those skeptical of the scientific consensus on climate change.​

a quote from your link-

The definition of ‘dangerous’ climate change is ambiguous, and hypothesized catastrophic tipping points are regarded as very or extremely unlikely in the 21st century. Efforts to link dangerous impacts of extreme weather events to human-caused warming are misleading and unsupported by evidence. Climate change is a ‘wicked problem’ and ill-suited to a ‘command and control’ solution. It has been estimated that the U.S. national commitments to the UN to reduce emissions by 28% will prevent three hundredths of a degree centigrade in warming by 2100...

it has been interesting to watch Curry over the last decade as she has walked farther and farther away from consensus, and given particularly good reasons for doing so.

This is why the left is so set on demonizing her. She gives well thought out and sound reasoning for her position. Curry cites work and does her own critical thinking and is not afraid to question others questionable work.

Curry has greater internal fortitude than all alarmists combined. It is really to bad that so many scientists have lost all credibility bowing to the money men of the environmental wacko movement.

 

[Billy_Bob]

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released. AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

I parsed no words. Stop being so dishonest. You got caught making a very bad mistake. Take it like a grownup, instead of flinging dishonest accusations.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

You repeated a faked quote that changed Gore's meaning. That's your fault, not mine.

Here's a thought. Grow up and take responsibility for repeating a faked quote. Ask yourself why you were so eager to be fooled. Then ask yourself why you're blaming me for pointing out you were duped, instead of blaming Rose for feeding you the big lie. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?

People will judge the evidence for themselves. He brought up the Seven year study. Presented it at his Prize acceptance speech.. THat;s all true.. I don't need to club you about it.. Like you do to me. As tho your bluster matters a whit.. RIGHT NOW -- you are almost "out-denying" me..

So, he said something about 7 years, you've twisted it but kept the "seven years" part and are now passing it off as something else.

Well done.

Gore made a prediction. It failed to materialize. He made that prediction on the world stage in front of the UN who agreed with him. They are all in the same boat sinking. And you want to ignore the holes in the bottom of the boat.... Classic!

 

[jc456]

This is just a reading comprehension problem on your part. He quoted a study stating the seven year projection. THE LATEST AND GREATEST study yet to be released. AND he REPEATED the seven year figure.

I guess if you're desperate enough and cant cope with the cognitive dissonance this causes your tiny little feline brain to ache, You WOULD drag out the Clinton Thesaurus and Word Parser and attempt to correct the record as it clearly stands.

I parsed no words. Stop being so dishonest. You got caught making a very bad mistake. Take it like a grownup, instead of flinging dishonest accusations.

And you in particular --- seem pretty damn desperate..

You repeated a faked quote that changed Gore's meaning. That's your fault, not mine.

Here's a thought. Grow up and take responsibility for repeating a faked quote. Ask yourself why you were so eager to be fooled. Then ask yourself why you're blaming me for pointing out you were duped, instead of blaming Rose for feeding you the big lie. Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps?

People will judge the evidence for themselves. He brought up the Seven year study. Presented it at his Prize acceptance speech.. THat;s all true.. I don't need to club you about it.. Like you do to me. As tho your bluster matters a whit.. RIGHT NOW -- you are almost "out-denying" me..

So, he said something about 7 years, you've twisted it but kept the "seven years" part and are now passing it off as something else.

Well done.

No, no he didn't he stated what was said by Al gore in his speech he said 22 years and he said seven years now which part of that is your contention? By the way the speech was to alert the masses that extreme conditions were present so using words like Might and could or whatever insinuates that as his basic belief is they are. just by his mere speech it's perceived as it will! Perceived ever hear of it?

 

[Liminal]

Here's a good example of a well known liar and climate change science denier.
The People Have Spoken This Is The Most Brazen Lie Of 2014 ThinkProgress

 

[frigidweirdo]

Gore made a prediction. It failed to materialize. He made that prediction on the world stage in front of the UN who agreed with him. They are all in the same boat sinking. And you want to ignore the holes in the bottom of the boat.... Classic!

Gore made a prediction. You know it was a prediction and most other people know it was a prediction. You also know he didn't say it would happen but that it could happen. It's not hard to make predictions of what could happen. People do it all the time. Using "could" suggested that it also might not happen. It's why he used those words.

So, it didn't happen.

The UN agreed with him that it was possible that this could happen? Okay, and... what? They agreed that something could happen, but it didn't happen. Wow.

The problem here seems to be that you take such a prediction of a possible as fixed, and then use it as proof there isn't man made climate change or something weird like that.

 

[Liminal]

Interesting Facebook page.
Climate Change LIES Facebook