Civil Disobedience

[alan1]

I sympathize with non smokers but like Jillian said it should be up to the owners. Non smoking restaurants could do well, but all non smoking hurts everyone in the pocketbook.

I have smoked in "non smoking bars" in NY and AC simply because the owners were willing to pay the fine if need be. But I wouldn't exactly call that "civil disobedience" More like drunken apathy.

It sounds better when you say "civil disobedience".

 

[Luissa]

You will get used to it, it sucks at first. The first day here it was 10 degrees outside. the Bingo halls that raised money for Big Brothers and Sister and one that raised money for a special needs school both ended up shutting down. The Native American Casino's and Bingo halls of course benefitted from the law.
They also started fining bars that allowed smoking, and you also start to realize the smoke smell was covering up even worse smells.

Gee, I should get used to the government telling people what to do with their personal property.
Maybe they will give me some scraps from the table so I can really feel like a begging dog.

YOu can just pay the fines, here the only people who Police it is the Liquir control board. We even have to be 25 ft from the door or any window, people are still assholes about you smoking too.

 

[Contumacious]

After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. My act of civil disobedience..

I am a non-smoker. I like to eat in a smoke free restaurant.

However, I believe that the government has NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO COMPEL RESTAURANTS TO PREVENT SMOKING. NONE.

.

 

[alan1]

I went to a different restaurant today. I’ve been going there about 12 years. They’ve always allowed smoking. After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. Paige (my waitress) came over and told me I couldn’t smoke. I handed her my glass and asked her for more water. I told her I’d take care of it when she got back. She returned quickly and our conversation went like this:

Paige: You can’t smoke, they passed a new law.
Me: I don’t agree with the law, do you?
Paige: No, but you can’t smoke.
Me: Do you know who Rosa Parks was?
Paige: Yes.
Me: Consider this my civil disobedience.
Paige: But…
Me: If any other customers ask me to put out my cigarette, I will.
Paige: You….
Me: Just ask them, if they want me to, I will.

Paige looked around and then announced, “Will somebody please ask this gentleman to put out his cigarette?”

Of the almost dozen customers in earshot, none of them asked me. In fact, the comments were things like, “doesn’t bother me”, “no”, “let him smoke”. One lady asked, “Did she bring you an ashtray?, she wouldn’t bring me one”. I felt sort of bad for putting Paige in that position. She looked at me and said, ‘Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”. She walked off looking exasperated. I told the lady that asked about the ashtray that no, she hadn’t brought me one. Then I re-iterated to the people that I would put out the cigarette if it bothered anybody. Nobody asked me to, and some told me to stand up for what I believed.

The waitress was talking to the manager and he looked at me. When she walked away from him, he gave me a thumbs up. I noticed a lady at the opposite end of the restaurant glaring at me. I’m guessing because I was smoking. I took my last puff and winked at her. I put out the cigarette and handed Paige a $20 dollar bill for my $8 dollar dinner and told her the change was her tip for putting up with my antics.

As I put on my coat and hat to leave, the lady that had asked about the ashtray started clapping. Then others started clapping to. I tipped my hat to the folks and told them to have a great day as I walked out with an applause.



I don’t know how long I can get away with this before I get arrested or punched in the nose. I won’t smoke in a restaurant that was non-smoking before the law was passed, as that was the owner’s decision. But I’m going to be difficult where smoking used to be allowed.

 

[random3434]

Let me just ask you this.

Am I going to get a call to bail my brother out of jail again?

 

[alan1]

Let me just ask you this.

Am I going to get a call to bail my brother out of jail again?

Maybe, but I won't resist arrest this time, that's what civil disobedience is all about.

 

[Luissa]

I went to a different restaurant today. I’ve been going there about 12 years. They’ve always allowed smoking. After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. Paige (my waitress) came over and told me I couldn’t smoke. I handed her my glass and asked her for more water. I told her I’d take care of it when she got back. She returned quickly and our conversation went like this:

Paige: You can’t smoke, they passed a new law.
Me: I don’t agree with the law, do you?
Paige: No, but you can’t smoke.
Me: Do you know who Rosa Parks was?
Paige: Yes.
Me: Consider this my civil disobedience.
Paige: But…
Me: If any other customers ask me to put out my cigarette, I will.
Paige: You….
Me: Just ask them, if they want me to, I will.

Paige looked around and then announced, “Will somebody please ask this gentleman to put out his cigarette?”

Of the almost dozen customers in earshot, none of them asked me. In fact, the comments were things like, “doesn’t bother me”, “no”, “let him smoke”. One lady asked, “Did she bring you an ashtray?, she wouldn’t bring me one”. I felt sort of bad for putting Paige in that position. She looked at me and said, ‘Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”. She walked off looking exasperated. I told the lady that asked about the ashtray that no, she hadn’t brought me one. Then I re-iterated to the people that I would put out the cigarette if it bothered anybody. Nobody asked me to, and some told me to stand up for what I believed.

The waitress was talking to the manager and he looked at me. When she walked away from him, he gave me a thumbs up. I noticed a lady at the opposite end of the restaurant glaring at me. I’m guessing because I was smoking. I took my last puff and winked at her. I put out the cigarette and handed Paige a $20 dollar bill for my $8 dollar dinner and told her the change was her tip for putting up with my antics.

As I put on my coat and hat to leave, the lady that had asked about the ashtray started clapping. Then others started clapping to. I tipped my hat to the folks and told them to have a great day as I walked out with an applause.



I don’t know how long I can get away with this before I get arrested or punched in the nose. I won’t smoke in a restaurant that was non-smoking before the law was passed, as that was the owner’s decision. But I’m going to be difficult where smoking used to be allowed.

You do realize you could of got Paige and the owner in trouble, and they are the ones who would have had to pay the larger fine for letting you smoke in their restratraunt?
I think the law is stupid but you are going to get someone else in trouble besides yourself.

 

[alan1]

I went to a different restaurant today. I’ve been going there about 12 years. They’ve always allowed smoking. After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. Paige (my waitress) came over and told me I couldn’t smoke. I handed her my glass and asked her for more water. I told her I’d take care of it when she got back. She returned quickly and our conversation went like this:

Paige: You can’t smoke, they passed a new law.
Me: I don’t agree with the law, do you?
Paige: No, but you can’t smoke.
Me: Do you know who Rosa Parks was?
Paige: Yes.
Me: Consider this my civil disobedience.
Paige: But…
Me: If any other customers ask me to put out my cigarette, I will.
Paige: You….
Me: Just ask them, if they want me to, I will.

Paige looked around and then announced, “Will somebody please ask this gentleman to put out his cigarette?”

Of the almost dozen customers in earshot, none of them asked me. In fact, the comments were things like, “doesn’t bother me”, “no”, “let him smoke”. One lady asked, “Did she bring you an ashtray?, she wouldn’t bring me one”. I felt sort of bad for putting Paige in that position. She looked at me and said, ‘Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”. She walked off looking exasperated. I told the lady that asked about the ashtray that no, she hadn’t brought me one. Then I re-iterated to the people that I would put out the cigarette if it bothered anybody. Nobody asked me to, and some told me to stand up for what I believed.

The waitress was talking to the manager and he looked at me. When she walked away from him, he gave me a thumbs up. I noticed a lady at the opposite end of the restaurant glaring at me. I’m guessing because I was smoking. I took my last puff and winked at her. I put out the cigarette and handed Paige a $20 dollar bill for my $8 dollar dinner and told her the change was her tip for putting up with my antics.

As I put on my coat and hat to leave, the lady that had asked about the ashtray started clapping. Then others started clapping to. I tipped my hat to the folks and told them to have a great day as I walked out with an applause.



I don’t know how long I can get away with this before I get arrested or punched in the nose. I won’t smoke in a restaurant that was non-smoking before the law was passed, as that was the owner’s decision. But I’m going to be difficult where smoking used to be allowed.

You do realize you could of got Paige and the owner in trouble, and they are the ones who would have had to pay the larger fine for letting you smoke in their restratraunt?
I think the law is stupid but you are going to get someone else in trouble besides yourself.

You do realize that they didn't let me smoke.
As Paige said, "Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”.
If the owner asks me not to smoke, then I won't.
Did the bus driver get in trouble because Rosa sat in the front seat?

 

[jillian]

I always thought it should be the choice of the business owner.

Me also.
Seems some people want the government to decide what people do with their personal establishments.

some think government should decide what we do with our bodies and what consenting adults we can marry, too.

all very silly...

 

[Samson]

I can't recall the comedy sitcom (Seinfeld? Raymond?) in which one character would don a special Super-Hero Costume and become "The Insolent Smoker." He eventually made Headlines.



Since I don't smoke (much) I'm not terribly unhappy with laws preventing smoking in public places. However I was ASTONISHED that it happened in Houston, proud of its Most Unhealthy City in America Ranking.

 

[alan1]

I always thought it should be the choice of the business owner.

Me also.
Seems some people want the government to decide what people do with their personal establishments.

some think government should decide what we do with our bodies and what consenting adults we can marry, too.

all very silly...

Yep, I'm making my stand on this.
I'm not gonna try and marry my sister to prove a point.

 

[Luissa]

I went to a different restaurant today. I’ve been going there about 12 years. They’ve always allowed smoking. After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. Paige (my waitress) came over and told me I couldn’t smoke. I handed her my glass and asked her for more water. I told her I’d take care of it when she got back. She returned quickly and our conversation went like this:

Paige: You can’t smoke, they passed a new law.
Me: I don’t agree with the law, do you?
Paige: No, but you can’t smoke.
Me: Do you know who Rosa Parks was?
Paige: Yes.
Me: Consider this my civil disobedience.
Paige: But…
Me: If any other customers ask me to put out my cigarette, I will.
Paige: You….
Me: Just ask them, if they want me to, I will.

Paige looked around and then announced, “Will somebody please ask this gentleman to put out his cigarette?”

Of the almost dozen customers in earshot, none of them asked me. In fact, the comments were things like, “doesn’t bother me”, “no”, “let him smoke”. One lady asked, “Did she bring you an ashtray?, she wouldn’t bring me one”. I felt sort of bad for putting Paige in that position. She looked at me and said, ‘Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”. She walked off looking exasperated. I told the lady that asked about the ashtray that no, she hadn’t brought me one. Then I re-iterated to the people that I would put out the cigarette if it bothered anybody. Nobody asked me to, and some told me to stand up for what I believed.

The waitress was talking to the manager and he looked at me. When she walked away from him, he gave me a thumbs up. I noticed a lady at the opposite end of the restaurant glaring at me. I’m guessing because I was smoking. I took my last puff and winked at her. I put out the cigarette and handed Paige a $20 dollar bill for my $8 dollar dinner and told her the change was her tip for putting up with my antics.

As I put on my coat and hat to leave, the lady that had asked about the ashtray started clapping. Then others started clapping to. I tipped my hat to the folks and told them to have a great day as I walked out with an applause.



I don’t know how long I can get away with this before I get arrested or punched in the nose. I won’t smoke in a restaurant that was non-smoking before the law was passed, as that was the owner’s decision. But I’m going to be difficult where smoking used to be allowed.

You do realize you could of got Paige and the owner in trouble, and they are the ones who would have had to pay the larger fine for letting you smoke in their restratraunt?
I think the law is stupid but you are going to get someone else in trouble besides yourself.

You do realize that they didn't let me smoke.
As Paige said, "Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”.
If the owner asks me not to smoke, then I won't.
Did the bus driver get in trouble because Rosa sat in the front seat?

So now you are Rosa Parks?
The Liqour control board or whoever is policing this in NC isn't going to care if the owner asked you or not, they will just fine them. It happens here all the time, people also tried to be like you and take a stand. Three years later there is still no smoking in bars, and the owners are the still the ones getting fined. Trust me, it would be better for you and the owner if you just accepted it and moved on.

 

[Samson]

Me also.
Seems some people want the government to decide what people do with their personal establishments.

some think government should decide what we do with our bodies and what consenting adults we can marry, too.

all very silly...

Yep, I'm making my stand on this.
I'm not gonna try and marry my sister to prove a point.

She's that bad?

 

[alan1]

You do realize you could of got Paige and the owner in trouble, and they are the ones who would have had to pay the larger fine for letting you smoke in their restratraunt?
I think the law is stupid but you are going to get someone else in trouble besides yourself.

You do realize that they didn't let me smoke.
As Paige said, "Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”.
If the owner asks me not to smoke, then I won't.
Did the bus driver get in trouble because Rosa sat in the front seat?

So now you are Rosa Parks?
The Liqour control board or whoever is policing this in NC isn't going to care if the owner asked you or not, they will just fine them. It happens here all the time, people also tried to be like you and take a stand. Three years later there is still no smoking in bars, and the owners are the still the ones getting fined. Trust me, it would be better for you and the owner if you just accepted it and moved on.

Yeah, I should just lay down and let personal property rights be stripped away.
Should I give the government the keys to my house also?
Liberty is not yanked away in one fell swoop, it is nibbled at, it is silently moved just a small bit at a time.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I went to a different restaurant today. I’ve been going there about 12 years. They’ve always allowed smoking. After my meal, I lit up a cigarette. Paige (my waitress) came over and told me I couldn’t smoke. I handed her my glass and asked her for more water. I told her I’d take care of it when she got back. She returned quickly and our conversation went like this:

Paige: You can’t smoke, they passed a new law.
Me: I don’t agree with the law, do you?
Paige: No, but you can’t smoke.
Me: Do you know who Rosa Parks was?
Paige: Yes.
Me: Consider this my civil disobedience.
Paige: But…
Me: If any other customers ask me to put out my cigarette, I will.
Paige: You….
Me: Just ask them, if they want me to, I will.

Paige looked around and then announced, “Will somebody please ask this gentleman to put out his cigarette?”

Of the almost dozen customers in earshot, none of them asked me. In fact, the comments were things like, “doesn’t bother me”, “no”, “let him smoke”. One lady asked, “Did she bring you an ashtray?, she wouldn’t bring me one”. I felt sort of bad for putting Paige in that position. She looked at me and said, ‘Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”. She walked off looking exasperated. I told the lady that asked about the ashtray that no, she hadn’t brought me one. Then I re-iterated to the people that I would put out the cigarette if it bothered anybody. Nobody asked me to, and some told me to stand up for what I believed.

The waitress was talking to the manager and he looked at me. When she walked away from him, he gave me a thumbs up. I noticed a lady at the opposite end of the restaurant glaring at me. I’m guessing because I was smoking. I took my last puff and winked at her. I put out the cigarette and handed Paige a $20 dollar bill for my $8 dollar dinner and told her the change was her tip for putting up with my antics.

As I put on my coat and hat to leave, the lady that had asked about the ashtray started clapping. Then others started clapping to. I tipped my hat to the folks and told them to have a great day as I walked out with an applause.



I don’t know how long I can get away with this before I get arrested or punched in the nose. I won’t smoke in a restaurant that was non-smoking before the law was passed, as that was the owner’s decision. But I’m going to be difficult where smoking used to be allowed.

You do realize you could of got Paige and the owner in trouble, and they are the ones who would have had to pay the larger fine for letting you smoke in their restratraunt?
I think the law is stupid but you are going to get someone else in trouble besides yourself.

You do realize that they didn't let me smoke.
As Paige said, "Well, I can’t just yank it from your hand”.
If the owner asks me not to smoke, then I won't.
Did the bus driver get in trouble because Rosa sat in the front seat?

Not from his company, because it wasn't the transportation companies who wanted that stupid rule in the first place.

I've been doing some cab driving to supplement my process serving business during the slow season, and discovered that Arizona's smoking ban includes taxicabs, because they're a "public conveyance". People ask me if they can smoke in my cab, and I have to tell them no, although if it was up to me, I probably wouldn't care much, provided they opened the window.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I always thought it should be the choice of the business owner.

If the owner, the employees and the patrons all smoke or don't care - why not?

This is one issue that the free market system should solve, not the government.

 

[alan1]

I always thought it should be the choice of the business owner.

If the owner, the employees and the patrons all smoke or don't care - why not?

This is one issue that the free market system should solve, not the government.

The employees choose whether or not they want to work there.
The patrons choose whether or not they want to eat there.

You are right, the government doesn't need to be poking it's nose into this matter.

 

[RodISHI]

I always thought it should be the choice of the business owner.

If the owner, the employees and the patrons all smoke or don't care - why not?

This is one issue that the free market system should solve, not the government.

The employees choose whether or not they want to work there.
The patrons choose whether or not they want to eat there.

You are right, the government doesn't need to be poking it's nose into this matter.

In the new world of the new world order there is nothing as simple as personal property rights or equal justice under the law. It is a what we say is good for you world today and the "we" in that does not include you or I or what we believe right or wrong.

It is fine for open sex in the parks as of course those are public places ya now but, don't dare light up a smoke in a public park as you may offend someone, pollute the air near them, whatever and well of course in Des Moines they do have an ordinance to fine smokers in public parks.

Good luck with your latest project MM!

 

[Charles Stucker]

Yesterday, a new law went into effect in NC.
No smoking in restaurants.

While I was sitting there (still smoking), I observed a couple come in. They looked around and saw me smoking They asked the waitress (same waitress I had) for a seat in the non-smoking section. She replied, "New law doesn't allow smoking in any restaurant, you can sit anywhere you want". She got a good tip.

It is only day one, so I probably can't keep this up for long, but I'm going to try.

Only immature selfish scum inflict their second hand smoke on people in areas where it is outlawed.
I hope you get the maximum jail term possible for your actions.

 

[JWBooth]

Only immature selfish scum inflict their second hand smoke on people in areas where it is outlawed.
I hope you get the maximum jail term possible for your actions.