Price Fixing. Here's The Proof.

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Thanks.

Does the same place also sell cigarettes?

It doesn't matter. Even though filtered mini cigars are more expensive to make, NOBODY will even come close to selling cigarettes for a cheaper price than what you can buy filtered mini cigars for. Hell, it's nearly impossible to find anybody who will even sell cigarette tobacco. The closest you can come is to buy pipe tobacco. Which isn't quite the same thing. It costs around $15.00 per 16oz bag. You can buy cigarette tobacco at one place I was looking at. They sold Bugler cigarette tobacco. They wanted around $4.85 for a .65oz bag of the stuff. To buy 16oz worth, it would cost around $117.00.

 

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Are you a Democrat or something? Taxes play a much bigger role in pricing than you think. Why only count your state's excise tax? What about your state's sales tax?

There is also a federal excise tax of $1/pack.

And many totalitarian local governments also tax them too. For instance, if you're in Chicago the city charges $1.18, Cook county imposes a $3 tax and the state of Illinois imposes a $2.98 excise tax.

That's $7.16 just in excise tax. That's not counting the sales tax and hidden taxes that occur between the tobacco farm and your body. The trucking company is taxed, the fuel is taxed, etc, etc..

Never forget, Democrats use taxes as a weapon to oppress the poor and stifle their economic mobility. Lawmakers smoke fine expensive stogies, poor people smoke cigarettes. That's why cigars are exempt from such massive taxation.

Let's delete the $2.00 state tax and the $1.00 federal tax. That means the pack of cigarettes I can find at a small gas station for $6.40 per pack, (if you buy two) That would make it $3.40 a pack. But being able to buy a more expensive to make pack of filtered mini cigars for $1.17 a pack, even the $3.40 per pack cigarettes is still WAY over priced. And even though my state has that $2.00 per pack tax, most other cigarettes sell for around $10.00 per pack. Some probably more. It sure sounds like price gouging to me. And the only various cigarette makers can get away with keeping prices that high is with some collusion - price fixing between them.

 

[Concerned American]

It doesn't matter. Even though filtered mini cigars are more expensive to make, NOBODY will even come close to selling cigarettes for a cheaper price than what you can buy filtered mini cigars for. Hell, it's nearly impossible to find anybody who will even sell cigarette tobacco. The closest you can come is to buy pipe tobacco. Which isn't quite the same thing. It costs around $15.00 per 16oz bag. You can buy cigarette tobacco at one place I was looking at. They sold Bugler cigarette tobacco. They wanted around $4.85 for a .65oz bag of the stuff. To buy 16oz worth, it would cost around $117.00.

Here's a site where you can buy a pound of rolling tobacco for $13.

Buy All Smoking Tobacco Online | TED Tobacco

TED Tobacco is the best place to buy all smoking tobacco at the best price online. Shop the best online tobacco store for the largest selection at the lowest prices with fast, free shipping.

www.tedtobacco.com

 

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Here's a site where you can buy a pound of rolling tobacco for $13.

Buy All Smoking Tobacco Online | TED Tobacco

TED Tobacco is the best place to buy all smoking tobacco at the best price online. Shop the best online tobacco store for the largest selection at the lowest prices with fast, free shipping.

www.tedtobacco.com

It doesn't matter. I can buy a months worth of tobacco and tubes for around $50.00. But to buy all the cigarettes I would need for the cheapest price I can get them, it would cost me around $400.00 a month. Though even buying 3 cartons to smoke a pack a day and roll your owns for the rest of the day, that would cost me around $197.00 per month. Social Security doesn't give me anywhere near that much money per month to pay that price. Hell, somebody offered to just give me a car once. But with plates and insurance, I didn't have the money to afford such a luxury.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

It doesn't matter. I can buy a months worth of tobacco and tubes for around $50.00. But to buy all the cigarettes I would need for the cheapest price I can get them, it would cost me around $400.00 a month. Though even buying 3 cartons to smoke a pack a day and roll your owns for the rest of the day, that would cost me around $197.00 per month. Social Security doesn't give me anywhere near that much money per month to pay that price. Hell, somebody offered to just give me a car once. But with plates and insurance, I didn't have the money to afford such a luxury.

...and then there's the Cancer treatment....and the Hospice bill--indeed, it's quite expensive to smoke~

 

[Concerned American]

Social Security doesn't give me anywhere near that much money per month to pay that price.

LOL, if you're smoking a pack plus a day, you're not going to live long enough to collect SS anyway.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It doesn't matter. Even though filtered mini cigars are more expensive to make, NOBODY will even come close to selling cigarettes for a cheaper price than what you can buy filtered mini cigars for. Hell, it's nearly impossible to find anybody who will even sell cigarette tobacco. The closest you can come is to buy pipe tobacco. Which isn't quite the same thing. It costs around $15.00 per 16oz bag. You can buy cigarette tobacco at one place I was looking at. They sold Bugler cigarette tobacco. They wanted around $4.85 for a .65oz bag of the stuff. To buy 16oz worth, it would cost around $117.00.

It doesn't matter. Even though filtered mini cigars are more expensive to make,

It does matter, how else can we do an apples to oranges comparison?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL, if you're smoking a pack plus a day, you're not going to live long enough to collect SS anyway.

I think he's already collecting.

 

[Muhammed]

Let's delete the $2.00 state tax and the $1.00 federal tax. That means the pack of cigarettes I can find at a small gas station for $6.40 per pack, (if you buy two) That would make it $3.40 a pack. But being able to buy a more expensive to make pack of filtered mini cigars for $1.17 a pack, even the $3.40 per pack cigarettes is still WAY over priced. And even though my state has that $2.00 per pack tax, most other cigarettes sell for around $10.00 per pack. Some probably more. It sure sounds like price gouging to me. And the only various cigarette makers can get away with keeping prices that high is with some collusion - price fixing between them. that those cheap filtered mini cigars are more expensive to make than cigartettes?

You are mistaken when you assume that those dirt cheap mini cigars cost more than cigarettes to produce. The opposite is true. Cigarettes are not just a little more expensive to produce, they are several times more expensive to produce.

You made your assumption because the tobacco in mini cigars has to be cured for weeks or even up to 2 months depending on the weather. However, it only takes that long because it is passively air cured. They just hang it up to dry in tobacco sheds and wait. That's the simple, easy and by far the cheapest way to do it.

But the end product sucks, which is why they usually add flavorings to mini filtered cigars to cover up for the low quality tobacco.

The tobacco in cigarettes only cures for about 7-8 days. That is because rather than being cheaply air cured, it is flu cured in massive, specialized, expensive, temperature and humidity controlled insulated tobacco barns in a very energy intensive multi-staged curing process.

After the tobacco is hanged to cure, They heat the facility to about 100 degrees Fahrenheit and over the course of about a week they will gradually increase the temperature incrementally at different stages of the tightly regulated and constantly monitored flue curing process, reaching 160 degrees in the final stage of curing.

If you think your heating bill is high, imagine how much it would cost to keep your house at 160 degrees Fahrenheit.

Flue curing requires a skilled, experienced and knowledgeable work force because it's an art and a science. Air curing requires no work force.

For the above reasons, cigarettes cost several times more to manufacture that mini filtered cigars.

 

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...and then there's the Cancer treatment....and the Hospice bill--indeed, it's quite expensive to smoke~

There is the irony. I did quit once for a couple of years. Events surrounding 9-11 caused me to start smoking again.
Back then I could afford cigarettes. So it wasn't the price that made me quit. But with the government trying to tax the shit out of me to force me to quit, that just makes more determined to keep smoking.

 

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You are mistaken when you assume that those dirt cheap mini cigars cost more than cigarettes to produce. The opposite is true. Cigarettes are not just a little more expensive to produce, they are several times more expensive to produce.

You made your assumption because the tobacco in mini cigars has to be cured for weeks or even up to 2 months depending on the weather. However, it only takes that long because it is passively air cured. They just hang it up to dry in tobacco sheds and wait. That's the simple, easy and by far the cheapest way to do it.

But the end product sucks, which is why they usually add flavorings to mini filtered cigars to cover up for the low quality tobacco.

The tobacco in cigarettes only cures for about 7-8 days. That is because rather than being cheaply air cured, it is flu cured in massive, specialized, expensive, temperature and humidity controlled insulated tobacco barns in a very energy intensive multi-staged curing process.

After the tobacco is hanged to cure, They heat the facility to about 100 degrees Fahrenheit and over the course of about a week they will gradually increase the temperature incrementally at different stages of the tightly regulated and constantly monitored flue curing process, reaching 160 degrees in the final stage of curing.

If you think your heating bill is high, imagine how much it would cost to keep your house at 160 degrees Fahrenheit.

Flue curing requires a skilled, experienced and knowledgeable work force because it's an art and a science. Air curing requires no work force.

For the above reasons, cigarettes cost several times more to manufacture that mini filtered cigars.

It would appear that I was wrong on just about everything I said. Using the AI I use to search for answers, I sometimes get different answers when I do another search on another day. I assumed that the tobacco used in filtered mini cigars was the same as the tobacco used in larger cigars. The tobacco used in mini cigars isn't necessarily more difficult to make than cigarette tobacco. Neither do filtered mini cigars hold about 3 times more tobacco than a regular cigarette. So all in all, they aren't necessarily more expensive to make than a regular cigarette. But still, I can buy mini cigars for a whole lot less than cigarettes. That is, not including any taxes.

Also, isn't the whole point of the government taxing the hell out of cigarettes to make people quit smoking? Well it doesn't work. People like me will just switch to rolling my own. Which has made me a heavier smoker. And many people switched to smoking those filtered mini cigars. Which gives you a lot more of things like tar and nicotine than a regular cigarette does. So if the government thinks they are helping people by taxing the hell out of cigarettes, they aren't. I think the biggest reason is they just like finding new ways to tax people.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

It would appear that I was wrong on just about everything I said. Using the AI I use to search for answers, I sometimes get different answers when I do another search on another day. I assumed that the tobacco used in filtered mini cigars was the same as the tobacco used in larger cigars. The tobacco used in mini cigars isn't necessarily more difficult to make than cigarette tobacco. Neither do filtered mini cigars hold about 3 times more tobacco than a regular cigarette. So all in all, they aren't necessarily more expensive to make than a regular cigarette. But still, I can buy mini cigars for a whole lot less than cigarettes. That is, not including any taxes.

Also, isn't the whole point of the government taxing the hell out of cigarettes to make people quit smoking? Well it doesn't work. People like me will just switch to rolling my own. Which has made me a heavier smoker. And many people switched to smoking those filtered mini cigars. Which gives you a lot more of things like tar and nicotine than a regular cigarette does. So if the government thinks they are helping people by taxing the hell out of cigarettes, they aren't. I think the biggest reason is they just like finding new ways to tax people.

ROTFLMAO!

You think...snicker...that the Govt. wants to HELP you?

Oh my~

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Also, isn't the whole point of the government taxing the hell out of cigarettes to make people quit smoking?

No. The whole point is to get your money.

 

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ROTFLMAO!

You think...snicker...that the Govt. wants to HELP you?

Oh my~

What would ever give you the impression that the government wants to help me. That is, in regards to the price of cigarettes.

 

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You are mistaken when you assume that those dirt cheap mini cigars cost more than cigarettes to produce. The opposite is true. Cigarettes are not just a little more expensive to produce, they are several times more expensive to produce.

You made your assumption because the tobacco in mini cigars has to be cured for weeks or even up to 2 months depending on the weather. However, it only takes that long because it is passively air cured. They just hang it up to dry in tobacco sheds and wait. That's the simple, easy and by far the cheapest way to do it.

But the end product sucks, which is why they usually add flavorings to mini filtered cigars to cover up for the low quality tobacco.

The tobacco in cigarettes only cures for about 7-8 days. That is because rather than being cheaply air cured, it is flu cured in massive, specialized, expensive, temperature and humidity controlled insulated tobacco barns in a very energy intensive multi-staged curing process.

After the tobacco is hanged to cure, They heat the facility to about 100 degrees Fahrenheit and over the course of about a week they will gradually increase the temperature incrementally at different stages of the tightly regulated and constantly monitored flue curing process, reaching 160 degrees in the final stage of curing.

If you think your heating bill is high, imagine how much it would cost to keep your house at 160 degrees Fahrenheit.

Flue curing requires a skilled, experienced and knowledgeable work force because it's an art and a science. Air curing requires no work force.

For the above reasons, cigarettes cost several times more to manufacture that mini filtered cigars.

An update to my last reply.

It would appear that I was wrong on just about everything I said. Using the AI I use to search for answers, I sometimes get different answers when I do another search on another day. I assumed that the tobacco used in filtered mini cigars was the same as the tobacco used in larger cigars. The tobacco used in mini cigars isn't necessarily more difficult to make than cigarette tobacco. Neither do filtered mini cigars hold about 3 times more tobacco than a regular cigarette. So all in all, they aren't necessarily more expensive to make than a regular cigarette. But still, I can buy mini cigars for a whole lot less than cigarettes. That is, not including any taxes.

Also, isn't the whole point of the government taxing the hell out of cigarettes to make people quit smoking? Well it doesn't work. People like me will just switch to rolling my own. Which has made me a heavier smoker. And many people switched to smoking those filtered mini cigars. Which gives you a lot more of things like tar and nicotine than a regular cigarette does. So if the government thinks they are helping people by taxing the hell out of cigarettes, they aren't. I think the biggest reason is they just like finding new ways to tax people.

Another reply to Muhammed. It would appear as though I was wrong in saying I was wrong. As I said, the AI I use that comes with the Brave browser sometimes gives me different answers on different days. So I decided to go slogging through the relevant websites for myself. As it turns out, the tobacco used in mini cigars is indeed more difficult to make than the tobacco used in regular cigarettes. The tobacco used in mini cigars can undergo a process of fermentation as as well as aging That makes them more expensive to make. Also, there is 1.5 to 2 grams more tobacco in a mini cigar than there is in a cigarette. That also has to raise the cost of what it costs to make them. Yet cigarettes, minus any tax, are way more expensive and mini cigars are.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As it turns out, the tobacco used in mini cigars is indeed more difficult to make than the tobacco used in regular cigarettes.

Link?

 

[Muhammed]

An update to my last reply.



Another reply to Muhammed. It would appear as though I was wrong in saying I was wrong. As I said, the AI I use that comes with the Brave browser sometimes gives me different answers on different days. So I decided to go slogging through the relevant websites for myself. As it turns out, the tobacco used in mini cigars is indeed more difficult to make than the tobacco used in regular cigarettes. The tobacco used in mini cigars can undergo a process of fermentation as as well as aging That makes them more expensive to make. Also, there is 1.5 to 2 grams more tobacco in a mini cigar than there is in a cigarette. That also has to raise the cost of what it costs to make them. Yet cigarettes, minus any tax, are way more expensive and mini cigars are.

The fact of the matter is that cigarettes are not just a little bit more expensive to produce than those dirt cheap mini cigars, they actually cost several time more to produce.

 

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The fact of the matter is that cigarettes are not just a little bit more expensive to produce than those dirt cheap mini cigars, they actually cost several time more to produce.

Not from what I have found.

 

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Link?

You want a link? You got it.
www.cheaplittlecigars.com › Difference-betweenDifference between Filtered Cigars and Cigarettes

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want a link? You got it.
www.cheaplittlecigars.com › Difference-betweenDifference between Filtered Cigars and Cigarettes

Thanks for the link.
It didn't say the cigar tobacco was more difficult to make.