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[HaShev]

Merry Christmas!




Merry Christmas!

Thank you, but I was conceived on Michaelemas. Have a happy holiday season and New Years as well.

 

[Meriweather]

I know I hit a nerve about how insecure your sky pixie

See what I mean: You saying "I know..." Actually, I had yawned. Cliche's (such as "sky pixie") have that affect on me. People who ridicule the beliefs of others have already lost as it indicates they have nothing solid to back their own beliefs, so their only resort is attack which signifies desperation.

I have no quarrel with your own lack of belief, but I expect a modicum of respect for your mom's faith. (She has me praying for you.)

 

[shimon]

The elect chose to hide the (removed) missing portion of Luke where he admits as did Thomas that their christ figure (now collectively called Jesus) wasn't who they thought and hoped him to be, when he failed his revolt and got his friends and followers killed.
As you stated people are feed their whole lives to wait and wait it's gonna come soon, only to die, never to know their grandparents and their grandparents died too on the empty stories and empty promises and witheld info that keeps them in blinders.
Just like the elect today keep them from our revealing the corrections to their out of context missinterps of the Bible, they will die never knowing Isaiah 9:6 is about King Hezekiah, and never know that there's at least 3 figures used for the image now given a new name because converged characters spanning different eras can't maintain their own singular one and own era revealing the figures Like Lysanias can't be in the accounts of that christ.(Lysanias died in 35bc). They will die never knowing history or reality thus die not knowing the truth witheld from them.

Yes it is interesting is it not a leopard cannot change its spots and the elect of the New Testament cannot change what they have wrought with their lies and guile and yet……isaiah 24:6 therefore hath a curse devoured the earth(who is a bigger curse then jesus even though they say blessing) and they that dwell in are guilty(his followers) therefore the inhabitants of the earth waste away(spiritually) and men are left few(the ones who do not follow this curse)........ Isaiah 24:7. The new wine faileth(the nt is compared to new wine) the vine fadeth(jesus is the vine as per john 15: 1-5) all the merry hearted(christians, merry christmas and mary) do sigh... Yes the cup of wine does play a big part but elijah doesnt drink from the wine it just sits there undrunk if you get my drift for their are a few men left that will refuse to drink it...and the s word is the word from their mouths that is sharp and straight to the point like you Michael have stated many times...

 

[sparky]

Religion and Faith are in two distinct places in the dictionary , for exactly what i'm reading from some of you

give it up, at least for today........~S~

 

[JoeB131]

See what I mean: You saying "I know..." Actually, I had yawned. Cliche's (such as "sky pixie") have that affect on me. People who ridicule the beliefs of others have already lost as it indicates they have nothing solid to back their own beliefs, so their only resort is attack which signifies desperation.

I have no quarrel with your own lack of belief, but I expect a modicum of respect for your mom's faith. (She has me praying for you.)

She's dead. there's nothing after this life. Deal with it.

But even if there was life after death, I refuse to believe the universe is so badly designed that the Catholic God is in charge.

7 Billion other people, including 1 billion other Christians, agree.

 

[Meriweather]

She's dead. there's nothing after this life. Deal with it.

But even if there was life after death

There is.

There is just God....He doesn't come in varieties like He's a box of chocolates!

 

[JoeB131]

There is.

There is just God....He doesn't come in varieties like He's a box of chocolates!

Yet that's exactly what you God Botherers think he does.

The Muslims have their version, the Jews have their version. Various Christians have their version.

No matter which version you believe in, most of the world believes in something else.

 

[Meriweather]

No matter which version you believe in, most of the world believes in something else.

And you are convinced that matters? Why?

 

[Meriweather]

The elect chose to hide the (removed) missing portion of Luke where he admits as did Thomas that their christ figure (now collectively called Jesus) wasn't who they thought and hoped him to be, when he failed his revolt and got his friends and followers killed.

Who came up with the idea that there is a portion missing from Luke's Gospel? As for the Gospel of Thomas: You do realize this book was written by a Gnostic, a hundred years after Thomas died?

 

[BreezeWood]

Aren't you the pinnacle of a merry Christmas!

the heavens bless the holidays ...

- and thankfully the other desert religions refrain from celebrating c-day by not chopping down conifers to decorate them w/ tensile as a sign of their closeness to their creator.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[HaShev]

Who came up with the idea that there is a portion missing from Luke's Gospel? As for the Gospel of Thomas: You do realize this book was written by a Gnostic, a hundred years after Thomas died?

The church admits NONE of the books are written by or at the time period of those who are named after.
You fo realize Luke called me the son of man not Jesus.
Luke 19:10 calls the son of man HaShev(place back-restore)

Luke 9, 17, and 24 have missing (removed) text from earlier copies, the exact quote and number should be in archives here as I posted it many times, my file search is not helpful finding it (too many files), sorry. I think it was in chapter 24 and I was paraphrasing it in my post.
update: found the verse:
Luke (found in the oldest copies) which states: about his being handed over for sentencing
"even though we were hoping that he would be the one to
LIBERATE ISRAEL."
(Luke 24:19-20 -- based on the Greek text)

 

[shimon]

The church admits NONE of the books are written by or at the time period of those who are named after.
You fo realize Luke called me the son of man not Jesus.
Luke 19:10 calls the son of man HaShev(place back-restore)

Luke 9, 17, and 24 have missing (removed) text from earlier copies, the exact quote and number should be in archives here as I posted it many times, my file search is not helpful finding it (too many files), sorry. I think it was in chapter 24 and I was paraphrasing it in my post.
update: found the verse:
Luke (found in the oldest copies) which states: about his being handed over for sentencing
"even though we were hoping that he would be the one to
LIBERATE ISRAEL."
(Luke 24:19-20 -- based on the Greek text)

Did you notice Michael on the world religion percentage map that was posted byJoeB 131 that if you add up the percentage of Christian’s in the world in all their denominations it adds up to 33 percent which ironically is the percentage of the heavens that were deceived and followed the dragon or serpent… Interesting to say the least….

 

[JoeB131]

And you are convinced that matters? Why?

How can God get it that wrong? If his "truth" is obvious, then everyone should accept it. Xians have been trying to impose Jesus on the rest of the world for the last 400 years, leaving a trail of genocide and Misery in their wake. And most of the world STILL doesn't accept Jesus!

At one point, more people worshipped Zeus than Yahweh. Does that mean Zeus was the actual God, and Yahweh wasn't?

Or are they just made-up fairy tales?

Who came up with the idea that there is a portion missing from Luke's Gospel? As for the Gospel of Thomas: You do realize this book was written by a Gnostic, a hundred years after Thomas died?

Actually, it's been established that both Luke and Matthew heavily cribbed from the Gospel of Mark and a lost text known as the Q Gospel. Matthew was writing for Jews, and made up a lot of fake scripture quotes to justify Jesus as the Messiah. Luke was writing for a Greek Audience.

The problem comes in that they both just made stuff up, which is why there are so many contradictions in their nativity stories. - Matthew's happens before the Death of Herod (4 BCE) while Luke's happens after Judea was annexed by Rome and the Roman governor ordered a census (6 CE). You also get contradictory reasons WHY Jesus was born in Bethlehem. (In Matthew, that's where he lived, but his family had to flee to Galilee, while in Luke, they had to report there for a Census.)

You also get the goofy genealogies that try to link Jesus with David, but they have problems.

They can't agree on how Jesus was descended from David.
They can't agree on how many generations passed.
They both trace lineage through Joseph, who was not the father. (Yes, only my patron saint would have believed THAT story.)

 

[Meriweather]

How can God get it that wrong? If his "truth" is obvious, then everyone should accept it. Xians have been trying to impose Jesus on the rest of the world for the last 400 years, leaving a trail of genocide and Misery in their wake. And most of the world STILL doesn't accept Jesus!

Can you say hospitals and schools?

 

[Meriweather]

Actually, it's been established that both Luke and Matthew heavily cribbed from the Gospel of Mark and a lost text known as the Q Gospel. Matthew was writing for Jews, and made up a lot of fake scripture quotes to justify Jesus as the Messiah. Luke was writing for a Greek Audience.

Old news. It has been known and accepted for decades.

The problem comes in that they both just made stuff up, which is why there are so many contradictions in their nativity stories. - Matthew's happens before the Death of Herod (4 BCE) while Luke's happens after Judea was annexed by Rome and the Roman governor ordered a census (6 CE). You also get contradictory reasons WHY Jesus was born in Bethlehem. (In Matthew, that's where he lived, but his family had to flee to Galilee, while in Luke, they had to report there for a Census.)

Too bad, they didn't have AI, computers, or household calendars back then. Well-known events were used to establish the time-line, setting. Why do you insist this is such a big deal? As noted, Matthew's Gospel was written by a Jew, for Jews. They would know about Herod.

Luke, on the other hand, wrote for people also outside the area, and while they may have thought, "who's Herod" they could have been very familiar with the census.

You also get the goofy genealogies that try to link Jesus with David, but they have problems.

Again, genealogies call to mind the story of the Israelites, and how Jesus was born into these people and their history.

Seriously, Joe. Do you believe the purpose of their accounts was to provide non-believers in the far future (who have no or little idea of the people, history, and culture) to pick apart? They were writing to the people of their own time who readily got their point.

They can't agree on how Jesus was descended from David.
They can't agree on how many generations passed.
They both trace lineage through Joseph, who was not the father. (Yes, only my patron saint would have believed THAT story.)

The reason people use inconsistencies in histories is it is the only thing they have. People who have not pursued a relationship with God or Jesus, are useless in the accounts given by people of God in our midst, in the midst of His world. You and I will not connect because my focus is God's presence in our lives and in our world while your focus is on accurate historical dates.

Today, at our fingertips, we have more precise information on historical dates. We no longer have to say, "It was around the time President Kennedy was assassinated..."

 

[JoeB131]

Too bad, they didn't have AI, computers, or household calendars back then. Well-known events were used to establish the time-line, setting. Why do you insist this is such a big deal? As noted, Matthew's Gospel was written by a Jew, for Jews. They would know about Herod.

Luke, on the other hand, wrote for people also outside the area, and while they may have thought, "who's Herod" they could have been very familiar with the census.

Except Herod the Great and Herod Antipas are both mentioned in Luke's Gospel. Rather, the whole story about the census is an attempt to connect Jesus with Bethlehem. Except the Romans didn't conduct censuses that way, and they didn't count people in kingdoms that were still independent of the Empire.

Again, genealogies call to mind the story of the Israelites, and how Jesus was born into these people and their history.

Seriously, Joe. Do you believe the purpose of their accounts was to provide non-believers in the far future (who have no or little idea of the people, history, and culture) to pick apart? They were writing to the people of their own time who readily got their point.

Except it's kind of an important point. If one of the bona fides of the "Messiah" was being a descendent of David (not merely just a Jew) then knowing HOW he was related to David was important.

The reason people use inconsistencies in histories is it is the only thing they have. People who have not pursued a relationship with God or Jesus, are useless in the accounts given by people of God in our midst, in the midst of His world. You and I will not connect because my focus is God's presence in our lives and in our world while your focus is on accurate historical dates.

Yes, you are very dedicated to your superstitions, I'm dedicated to science, reason, and accuracy.

You see, here's the thing. I have no real problem with what Jesus had to say (or what Saul of Tarsus attributed to him). It's what the people who followed did. This goes for Mohammed, Buddha, and Confucius as well. Wrap up what otherwise might be a sensible philosophy with a lot of superstitious bullshit, to the point where the superstition becomes the point.

What's more important, that Jesus rose from the dead, or he told people to treat each other decently?

Today, at our fingertips, we have more precise information on historical dates. We no longer have to say, "It was around the time President Kennedy was assassinated..."

Okay, this doesn't fly.

The Romans had pretty precise calendars. the 12 month year we use today was developed by the Romans. Julius Caesar in fact revised the Roman Calendar in 46 BCE, and by the time Pope Gregory XIII had to revisit it, it had only drifted 10 days. The idea that "We had no idea what day X person was born" is silly.

The Romans counted time from the founding of Rome in 753 BCE.

We know exactly what day nearly every Roman Emperor was born. It was recorded. We know what day they died.

Meanwhile, with Jesus, we think it was some time between 4 BCE and 6 CE, and he died maybe as early as 29 CE or as late as 33 CE. He wasn't born on December 25th, and we probably don't know what day he died.

Conversely, the Jews also had somewhat less accurate lunar calendars. But certainly not ones that were off by years.

 

[Meriweather]

Okay, this doesn't fly.

The Romans had pretty precise calendars. the 12 month year we use today was developed by the Romans. Julius Caesar in fact revised the Roman Calendar in 46 BCE, and by the time Pope Gregory XIII had to revisit it, it had only drifted 10 days. The idea that "We had no idea what day X person was born" is silly.

The Romans counted time from the founding of Rome in 753 BCE.

We know exactly what day nearly every Roman Emperor was born. It was recorded. We know what day they died.

Meanwhile, with Jesus, we think it was some time between 4 BCE and 6 CE, and he died maybe as early as 29 CE or as late as 33 CE. He wasn't born on December 25th, and we probably don't know what day he died.

Conversely, the Jews also had somewhat less accurate lunar calendars. But certainly not ones that were off by years.

You missed my point! The average person (let alone the poor) had no access to these--and probably less interest! I'll be anything, you consulted AI, Google, or your computer to provide all this information.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, you are very dedicated to your superstitions, I'm dedicated to science, reason, and accuracy.

You see, here's the thing. I have no real problem with what Jesus had to say (or what Saul of Tarsus attributed to him). It's what the people who followed did. This goes for Mohammed, Buddha, and Confucius as well. Wrap up what otherwise might be a sensible philosophy with a lot of superstitious bullshit, to the point where the superstition becomes the point.

What's more important, that Jesus rose from the dead, or he told people to treat each other decently?

What is most important is one's relationship with God, something you wave away as "superstition" (what a cop-out--I expect better of the scientific minded). There is more reason and logic required of people of faith than in science. Actually, the same is true of cooking, gardening, and almost any household task. "Reason and logic" have you deciding on throwing out "superstition"? That in itself tells me how little you use reasoning and logic. By the way, how has science guided your everyday decisions, behavior, and relationships with others?

 

[JoeB131]

You missed my point! The average person (let alone the poor) had no access to these--and probably less interest! I'll be anything, you consulted AI, Google, or your computer to provide all this information.

The average person who couldn't read a calendar probably also couldn't read a gospel.

I have a degree in history. Do I sometimes use Google to double check a date? Sure.

What is most important is one's relationship with God, something you wave away as "superstition" (what a cop-out--I expect better of the scientific minded). There is more reason and logic required of people of faith than in science. Actually, the same is true of cooking, gardening, and almost any household task. "Reason and logic" have you deciding on throwing out "superstition"? That in itself tells me how little you use reasoning and logic. By the way, how has science guided your everyday decisions, behavior, and relationships with others?

Oh, please stop trying to dress your backwards bronze age superstitions in a nice suit.

The problem is you come with a book full of logical fallacies, inconsistencies, and superstitions and tell me that it's a great thing to live my life by.

That didn't work 50 years ago when some frustrated lesbian in a habit tried to enforce it with a big wooden ruler, and it doesn't work now.