Zone1 Christmas Every Day

[Meriweather]

Oh, please stop trying to dress your backwards bronze age superstitions

Stop. What I cannot get you to understand is that the events in my life have nothing to do with the Bronze Age--or superstitions. Labeling them thus is not reasonable. It is not logical. Throwing science into a philosophical/religious discussion is like throwing a burning branch into a dry forest. Scientifically, this is a way to start a big fire. But...what does it accomplish? Every time you mention science, I sigh and think, Here comes Joe's camouflage to escape true discussion.

 

[JoeB131]

Stop. What I cannot get you to understand is that the events in my life have nothing to do with the Bronze Age--or superstitions. Labeling them thus is not reasonable. It is not logical. Throwing science into a philosophical/religious discussion is like throwing a burning branch into a dry forest. Scientifically, this is a way to start a big fire. But...what does it accomplish? Every time you mention science, I sigh and think, Here comes Joe's camouflage to escape true discussion.

Maybe burning down the forest is the point.

How many wars have been started because you God-Botherers argue about whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not?

I'll admit, my animus towards religion was highly influenced by the miserable childhood experiences I had, but at the end of the day, you have no scientific evidence your invisible sky friend is real. Your historical evidence is shaky, at best.

Which would be fine, if you guys weren't constantly trying to impose it on the rest of us.

I think bigfoot hunters are a bit flaky, but they aren't bothering anyone.

 

[HaShev]

Did you notice Michael on the world religion percentage map that was posted byJoeB 131 that if you add up the percentage of Christian’s in the world in all their denominations it adds up to 33 percent which ironically is the percentage of the heavens that were deceived and followed the dragon or serpent… Interesting to say the least….

I've been saying that for a long time, 1/3 the messengers are Christians who became like wormwood from following the fallen messenger(star).
Wormwood being a BITTER deadly poisonous herb. They've become bitter and deadly via Rome speaking through this image of the trinity(3 heads) of the false prophets.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe burning down the forest is the point.

How many wars have been started because you God-Botherers argue about whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not?

I'll admit, my animus towards religion was highly influenced by the miserable childhood experiences I had, but at the end of the day, you have no scientific evidence your invisible sky friend is real. Your historical evidence is shaky, at best.

Which would be fine, if you guys weren't constantly trying to impose it on the rest of us.

I think bigfoot hunters are a bit flaky, but they aren't bothering anyone.

Let it go. Catholics are permitted to believe Darwinian evolution with one provision. That is, that they must believe that their god created everything.

The two are directly contradictory.

There's nothing they can say that can fix that for them.

Let it go! They've accepted that their beliefs and their bibles are bogus. Demonstrate with me that you have complete courage in your convictions. The debate is over now.

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe burning down the forest is the point.

How many wars have been started because you God-Botherers argue about whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not?

I'll admit, my animus towards religion was highly influenced by the miserable childhood experiences I had, but at the end of the day, you have no scientific evidence your invisible sky friend is real. Your historical evidence is shaky, at best.

Which would be fine, if you guys weren't constantly trying to impose it on the rest of us.

I think bigfoot hunters are a bit flaky, but they aren't bothering anyone.

First, no one is imposing any religion on you. Businesses are imposing ads on all of us. I don't see you in an uproar over that. Like most of us, you ignore them. Second, look deeper into the reasons for what pleases you to label "religious wars." Every single war is fought over power and wealth. Still, perhaps in the Poltical Forum you are calling for the end to all governments due to the number of wars people with power and wealth start? Isn't it other countries are telling us not to impose our democracy and politics on them?

The "I'm going to blame religion for everything and give government and business a pass for doing even worse" does not fly well, and smacks only of posturing.

 

[Foxfyre]

Before I was a regenerate Christian, Christmas was a time of year I actually reflected on God and Jesus. Since I have been regenerate, I enjoy Christmas less, because the best part of Christmas is what I carry in my heart every day, but with less stress and expectations.

A few things:

1. Some people, including Christians, are natural extroverts who LOVE Christmas. And I love that for them. In no way am I saying that if you are a born-again Christian you shouldn't love Christmas. GO YOU!

2. I know these posts come off as "holier than thou" to non-believers. It's not that. I could have never brought myself to a place where my favorite book is the Bible and I carry Christmas in my heart every day. Only God did that. This is the basis of the Christian faith. We are unable, but He is able.

Hoping, praying and wishing every member here comes a little closer to the Baby in the manger this Christmas. It's the only part of Christmas that lasts!

For reasons not necessary to express here, I do have some good memories of Christmas growing up but for the most part it was a time of adult drunkenness, family fights, stress, unpleasantries that continued to haunt me into my adult life. I was determined to make Christmas a joyful celebration with good memories for my husband and children, however, and I believe for the most part I succeeded. And that part has been rewarding. But I still feel the old tapes running too often in the Christmas season with accompanying stress, depression etc. which I accept as the way it is for me.

So a mixed bag of fun and joy in which I honestly enjoy the season coupled with enough stress/reactive depression to be glad when it's over. But focusing on others' joy and the reason for the Season and leaning on my faith definitely helps. For those for whom Christmas is a pure delight, blessings upon you.

And also those for you for whom it isn't so much, you need those blessings most. Many of us do understand quite well.

 

[Meriweather]

But I still feel the old tapes running too often in the Christmas season with accompanying stress, depression etc. which I accept as the way it is for me.

Yes. Not for the same reasons.... I term it, "The weight of too many Christmases." Perhaps, too many crushing memories that have occurred during this season. Christmas shopping can never be the same when, while others are happily Christmas shopping, one finds herself shopping for a plain white T-shirt that was needed for her dad's burial. The days before and after his death, I unexpectedly lost my best friend, and then two aunts I was close too. Missing people come with quite a weight--worthwhile weight, but weight is weight. We lost a brother-in-law close to another Christmas. We all had this black humor then, as everyone agreed no one else dies in December.

I think this weight is a combination of missing what was--and also missing what might have been. There are not quite the vivid reminders when losing people during the days of other months.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yes. Not for the same reasons.... I term it, "The weight of too many Christmases." Perhaps, too many crushing memories that have occurred during this season. Christmas shopping can never be the same when, while others are happily Christmas shopping, one finds herself shopping for a plain white T-shirt that was needed for her dad's burial. The days before and after his death, I unexpectedly lost my best friend, and then two aunts I was close too. Missing people come with quite a weight--worthwhile weight, but weight is weight. We lost a brother-in-law close to another Christmas. We all had this black humor then, as everyone agreed no one else dies in December.

I think this weight is a combination of missing what was--and also missing what might have been. There are not quite the vivid reminders when losing people during the days of other months.

I understand. My Aunt Betty lost (in different years) her father, her sister, her husband, and her daughter (an only child) in the holiday season and she fights depression during this time of year. We think at age 98 she is now the last living member of her generation in our family. We deal with it by honoring their memories and making things as enjoyable as possible for her.

 

[Meriweather]

I understand. My Aunt Betty lost (in different years) her father, her sister, her husband, and her daughter (an only child) in the holiday season and she fights depression during this time of year. We think at age 98 she is now the last living member of her generation in our family. We deal with it by honoring their memories and making things as enjoyable as possible for her.

I don't know if she is able--or even if it would be helpful. But for some reason, driving around looking at neighborhood Christmas lights (in later years) actually helped lighten things. I cannot explain it, perhaps gets us away from home? Perhaps we become more onlookers than participants? Just a thought. I'll have your aunt in my prayers. Happy New Year to you.

 

[JoeB131]

Let it go. Catholics are permitted to believe Darwinian evolution with one provision. That is, that they must believe that their god created everything.

The two are directly contradictory.

There's nothing they can say that can fix that for them.

Let it go! They've accepted that their beliefs and their bibles are bogus. Demonstrate with me that you have complete courage in your convictions. The debate is over now.

Did they cut your borscht ration at the troll farm again today, buddy?

 

[JustAGuy1]

Maybe burning down the forest is the point.

How many wars have been started because you God-Botherers argue about whether or not wafers really turn into Jesus or not?

I'll admit, my animus towards religion was highly influenced by the miserable childhood experiences I had, but at the end of the day, you have no scientific evidence your invisible sky friend is real. Your historical evidence is shaky, at best.

Which would be fine, if you guys weren't constantly trying to impose it on the rest of us.

I think bigfoot hunters are a bit flaky, but they aren't bothering anyone.

You didn't enjoy the "attention" you got from the Priests? I rather thought you would enjoy that "positive" bonding with God's ambassadors here here on earth.

 

[shimon]

I've been saying that for a long time, 1/3 the messengers are Christians who became like wormwood from following the fallen messenger(star).
Wormwood being a BITTER deadly poisonous herb. They've become bitter and deadly via Rome speaking through this image of the trinity(3 heads) of the false prophets.

It is interesting that usage wormwood you use because no others venerate the Wood/ Cross like they do and in the end the worms will have them in spite of their belief system that they are promised different by these false prophets and EV(il) Angel( ist) Evangelist….

 

[ding]

It is interesting

Most confirmation biases usually are until they are not.

 

[HaShev]

It is interesting that usage wormwoodyou use because no others venerate the Wood/ Cross like they do and in the end the worms will have them in spite of their belief system that they are promised different by these false prophets and EV(il) Angel( ist) Evangelist….

or Eve(the church's) angelist (messengers)
and if you think about it worm wood is like calling it the death mark which predating was the mark of death.

 

[ding]

or Eve(the church's) angelist (messengers)
and if you think about it worm wood is like calling it the death mark which predating was the mark of death.

Adam, did you eat the apple?

The woman you made gave it to me.

 

[shimon]

or Eve(the church's) angelist (messengers)
and if you think about it worm wood is like calling it the death mark which predating was the mark of death.

Now that is really interesting excellent.. I never would have seen that regarding Eve thankyou for sharing that Michael I guess it puts a whole new meaning or take on that verse in Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't know if she is able--or even if it would be helpful. But for some reason, driving around looking at neighborhood Christmas lights (in later years) actually helped lighten things. I cannot explain it, perhaps gets us away from home? Perhaps we become more onlookers than participants? Just a thought. I'll have your aunt in my prayers. Happy New Year to you.

Yes we try to do that every year as well as other things. But she and I have talked about it and we agree it is what it is. So we enjoy what we can and don't beat ourselves up if we are bummed out now and then. That is advice I give to others who admit they just can't 'get into the spirit of the season.'

But thank you for the prayers. They do make a difference.

 

[HaShev]

Adam, did you eat the apple?

The woman you made gave it to me.

If adam(meaning man) pushes away Lilith & the first bride leaves adam aka man- not given equal position, and then returns to Adam (man) that makes Lilith the Temple Priests and Eve the Church priesthood. So the complaint would be
"the church you made gave me the fruit (teachings) from the tree of knowledge that is both good and evil."
However, God did not make Eve, God made Lilith, it was Eve who CAME OUT OF THE RIB OF MAN=man made the church, Adam(man) should be blaming himself (mankind that does not listen to the simple warnings that ironically even preachers teach: warning a POLITICAL AUTHORITY WOULD LIFT A FALSE PROPHET & MAKE IT (THE IMAGE) SEEMINGLY DO MIRACLES AND WONDERS.

 

[SweetSue92]

For reasons not necessary to express here, I do have some good memories of Christmas growing up but for the most part it was a time of adult drunkenness, family fights, stress, unpleasantries that continued to haunt me into my adult life. I was determined to make Christmas a joyful celebration with good memories for my husband and children, however, and I believe for the most part I succeeded. And that part has been rewarding. But I still feel the old tapes running too often in the Christmas season with accompanying stress, depression etc. which I accept as the way it is for me.

So a mixed bag of fun and joy in which I honestly enjoy the season coupled with enough stress/reactive depression to be glad when it's over. But focusing on others' joy and the reason for the Season and leaning on my faith definitely helps. For those for whom Christmas is a pure delight, blessings upon you.

And also those for you for whom it isn't so much, you need those blessings most. Many of us do understand quite well.

Frankly there's just too much expectation and stress around Christmas for me to really enjoy it, and not because I grew up in a dysfunctional home. I already have a full and demanding life it seems to me, and adding Christmas to it seems to tip the balance toward more of everything. The good stuff, sure, but also the stressful stuff.

 

[SweetSue92]

The church admits NONE of the books are written by or at the time period of those who are named after.
You fo realize Luke called me the son of man not Jesus.
Luke 19:10 calls the son of man HaShev(place back-restore)

Luke 9, 17, and 24 have missing (removed) text from earlier copies, the exact quote and number should be in archives here as I posted it many times, my file search is not helpful finding it (too many files), sorry. I think it was in chapter 24 and I was paraphrasing it in my post.
update: found the verse:
Luke (found in the oldest copies) which states: about his being handed over for sentencing
"even though we were hoping that he would be the one to
LIBERATE ISRAEL."
(Luke 24:19-20 -- based on the Greek text)

You know what you won't catch me doing? Coming into threads at Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashana and dumping my thoughts about the wrongness of your religion all over.

But I see you and your friend are at it....not a classy look. Quite the opposite.