Christianity creates violence

[Hawkins]

Mostly the Bible is misread especially by those who choose to fight against Christianity. Take an example mentioned in OP the woman rape in OT. The Jews as a whole were slaves of the Egyptians. Their women can be "legally" raped by the Egyptians. Moreover, a Jew raper cannot be punished hard for the reason that he's a property of his Egyptian master.

So the most efficient way to protect women is to hide them deep inside the house. So what mentioned in OT mostly dealt with women who actively went out of the house (her hiding place) to try to attract men. There were virtually not many actual raping occurred, as by the very culture of the Jews that they seldom hurt their own people this way. In the case when it did occur, the 2 families would have to settle it either with compensation, or with life time commitment by marrying the woman. Punishing the raper may be out of option. The raper is the asset of his Egyptian master.

By disregarding this historical factor, a lot will read the Bible as if it encourages raping.

The laws handed down through Moses came after the exodus, so none of that would apply.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

 

[Coyote]

Interesting article however - it's not unique to Christianity. A number of faiths prohibit or restrict sexual expression and relationships between people as inherently sinful.

 

[Hawkins]

Interesting article however - it's not unique to Christianity. A number of faiths prohibit or restrict sexual expression and relationships between people as inherently sinful.

On the other hand, God doesn't need the Jews to be completely living out of their surrounding reality. In reality, all humans (those surrounding the Jews) were with such a behavior. God however demanded that the Jews shall be, to an extent, "separated" from those humans around.

God didn't ask for the Jews to be supermen, He asked for His salvation plan for mankind to be carried forward by the Jews.

 

[PratchettFan]

Mostly the Bible is misread especially by those who choose to fight against Christianity. Take an example mentioned in OP the woman rape in OT. The Jews as a whole were slaves of the Egyptians. Their women can be "legally" raped by the Egyptians. Moreover, a Jew raper cannot be punished hard for the reason that he's a property of his Egyptian master.

So the most efficient way to protect women is to hide them deep inside the house. So what mentioned in OT mostly dealt with women who actively went out of the house (her hiding place) to try to attract men. There were virtually not many actual raping occurred, as by the very culture of the Jews that they seldom hurt their own people this way. In the case when it did occur, the 2 families would have to settle it either with compensation, or with life time commitment by marrying the woman. Punishing the raper may be out of option. The raper is the asset of his Egyptian master.

By disregarding this historical factor, a lot will read the Bible as if it encourages raping.

The laws handed down through Moses came after the exodus, so none of that would apply.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

Assuming the timeline in the OT, the law was set after they left Egypt. You cannot use slavery as an explanation because they were not slaves at that point.

 

[Hawkins]

Assuming the timeline in the OT, the law was set after they left Egypt. You cannot use slavery as an explanation because they were not slaves at that point.

Certain laws are based on what are currently efficiently carried out by the Jews.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

 

[PratchettFan]

Assuming the timeline in the OT, the law was set after they left Egypt. You cannot use slavery as an explanation because they were not slaves at that point.

Certain laws are based on what are currently efficiently carried out by the Jews.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

The law, handed down by God to Moses, was handed down after they left Egypt. God was never a slave in Egypt, so there would be no reason for him to hand down laws which assumed conditions that did not, at that time, exist. So your argument only makes sense if the laws were not handed down by God but rather developed over time, as in any other culture. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Hawkins]

Assuming the timeline in the OT, the law was set after they left Egypt. You cannot use slavery as an explanation because they were not slaves at that point.

Certain laws are based on what are currently efficiently carried out by the Jews.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

The law, handed down by God to Moses, was handed down after they left Egypt. God was never a slave in Egypt, so there would be no reason for him to hand down laws which assumed conditions that did not, at that time, exist. So your argument only makes sense if the laws were not handed down by God but rather developed over time, as in any other culture. Is that what you are saying?

Jesus said, Moses made (certain) law so because the Jews' heart were hardened. That's not what is originally intended.

Though Jesus refers to the laws of multiple wives, it definitely says that certain laws were based on what were currently already applied among the Jews.

The reason behind this is that,

God doesn't need the Jews to be completely living out of their surrounding reality. In reality, all humans (those surrounding the Jews) were with such a behavior. God however demanded that the Jews shall be, to an extent, "separated" from those humans around.

God didn't ask for the Jews to be supermen, He asked for His salvation plan for mankind to be carried forward by the Jews.

 

[PratchettFan]

Assuming the timeline in the OT, the law was set after they left Egypt. You cannot use slavery as an explanation because they were not slaves at that point.

Certain laws are based on what are currently efficiently carried out by the Jews.

Such a culture was formed long before Moses. Moses followed what was efficient at that time. The Law was set before they entered Canaan.

The law, handed down by God to Moses, was handed down after they left Egypt. God was never a slave in Egypt, so there would be no reason for him to hand down laws which assumed conditions that did not, at that time, exist. So your argument only makes sense if the laws were not handed down by God but rather developed over time, as in any other culture. Is that what you are saying?

Jesus said, Moses made (certain) law so because the Jews' heart were hardened. That's not what is originally intended.

Though Jesus refers to the laws of multiple wives, it definitely says that certain laws were based on what were currently already applied among the Jews.

The reason behind this is that,

God doesn't need the Jews to be completely living out of their surrounding reality. In reality, all humans (those surrounding the Jews) were with such a behavior. God however demanded that the Jews shall be, to an extent, "separated" from those humans around.

God didn't ask for the Jews to be supermen, He asked for His salvation plan for mankind to be carried forward by the Jews.

According to the OT, Moses did not make the laws. The laws were given to Moses directly by God, and given after they left Egypt. So, unless the OT is wrong and God had nothing to do with it, then the time of slavery in Egypt is irrelevant. Either God handed down the law or God did not. Which do you think?

 

[Avatar4321]

I find that those who are prone to violence likewise give themselves to all their passions.

those who have self restraint in one area can obtain it in all.

if the theory behind the original post was correct you would find the least violence among prostitutes and those who live a hedonistic lifestyle when it's usually quite the opposite.

 

[Hollie]

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

 

[Avatar4321]

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

 

[PratchettFan]

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

That was caused by two factors: First, there were more people around than have been in the past. Second, technology gave us marvelous new toys to play with. There wasn't more violence in the 20th century, just far more efficient violence.

 

[Hollie]

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

I see nothing that supports that contention. Your "because I say so" comment is hardly convincing.

 

[Avatar4321]

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"

Violence is a result of the Fall.

Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

I see nothing that supports that contention. Your "because I say so" comment is hardly convincing.

then rear some history books

 

[Avatar4321]

Read. Sometimes I really hate autocorrect

 

[Hollie]

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"
Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

I see nothing that supports that contention. Your "because I say so" comment is hardly convincing.

then rear some history books

Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"
Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.

False. The reason you provided nothing to support your claim is because it's unsupportable.

the violence of the 20th century shows otherwise. More death and destruction in the past 100 years than all of human history combined.

and the next hundred years will be worse unless the world repents.

I see nothing that supports that contention. Your "because I say so" comment is hardly convincing.

then rear some history books

I actually have looked at the numbers and read the history. That's why it's clear that religion "wins" in the total destruction business.

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[Hollie]

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Are you bringing the lambs for ritual slaughter or does that fall to the Christians.

 

[emilynghiem]

You both didn't read the material clearly.

Dear Delta4Embassy:

A. I agree with the other posters that the problems with humanity,
including violence, including ego selfishness and greed
were not created by Christianity. This problem
already existed, and people TRY to use positive
teachings to cure the causes and solve the problems.
Christianity is one way of teaching how to solve the problems,
by teaching how FORGIVENESS breaks the chain of abuse and violence.

B. So actually It's the other way around, Delta.

The same greed for power corrupts Christianity
as it does anything else humans touch or do!

The people who are ALREADY violent and want to use force for abuse,
take Christianity and will abuse that.

Delta if you read "Saving Paradise" it describes the correct teachings
of Christianity in the early church ie first 999 years. And then shows
that the first inception of the cross and killing in the name of the cross
ie the crusades came after that, around the year 1000.

So the corruption for politics came in and used/abused the religion
just like how Jihadists abuse Islam to take over political control.

The Muslims will TELL you that's not Islam what those Jihadist Terrorists are doing!
They hijack both the religion and the govt to wield and abuse political and military power.

NO: ISLAM does not create violence and neither does Christianity.
People also blame BUDDHISM for being so passive that it allows for violence and oppression.

It's the other way: greedy people looking to abuse the masses will take advantage of the
peaceful people to force themselves and their ways, knowing these PEACEFUL people
will not suddenly fight back and chop their heads off. They are PEACEFUL and will not
kill unless forced to by self-defense.

So any abuser can come in, and abuse the religion to cover up and justify conflict and violence.

C. IMPORTANT
May I strongly urge you to STUDY and UNDERSTAND Christian spiritual healing
BEFORE you make ANY MORE judgments claiming you understand what Christianity is.

I have posted the sources numerous times and include them in my signature.
freespiritualhealing Resources for Healing and Forgiveness Therapy

In short, this use of Christianity not only prevents violence
but helps identify and heal the causes of abuse, addiction, etc.
that leads to a lot more other problems in society: not just violence
but any kind of crime, physical and mental ills, any kind of destructive or damaging behavior or relations.

So if you don't study or understand the POSITIVE impact
of Christianity
And Especially the unique authority of Christian prayer in healing people
of demonic voices, personalities, obsessions and addictions that cause
all manner of illness and destruction, abuses and addictions, violence and crime

Then I do NOT see HOW you can POSSIBLY make
any kind of statement, positive or negative about Christianity
if you have not studied this!

Delta4Embassy there are cases of healing social, physical and mental ills
even criminal sickness that was done by Christian spiritual healing, deliverance or exorcism
that NO OTHER source can replicate.

This can END not only violence, but any level of abuse by resolving and removing the cause at the source!

so if you don't understand this
you will continue to post false assertions about Christianity.

Please DO NOT make any more such FALSE statements
until you have STUDIED and UNDERSTAND the
positive use of Christian spiritual healing to end the cause of violence, abuse and oppression.

Thank you, Delta4Embassy

I am happy to send you the books I list on that website
so you are no longer ignorant of the proper use of
Christian teachings for healing and curing people of ills.

 

[Composer]

There was violence BEFORE Christianity. There has been much violence AGAINST Christians and Christianity. And there is violence where Christianity is ABSENT (Jews vs. Muslims, etc.). Your OP is based on a false premise (at least the title is).

I have been a Christian since 1985. I have never struck, maimed, or killed another human being or animal in all of that time.

Actually what you claimed isn't true!

For all religions ' assault us ' with their various ideological easily proven BS!