Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
Too late!The separation of church and state is one of our core values. That's one of the reasons that make this country great.
Just look around the world at all the fucked up theocracy's; Iran, Israel, etc. Once you mix religion and government, your country is fucked!
I agree with that. But love has no place in government.Too late!
(now.. far "".. probably)
Doesn't matter. Embrace the struggle. Love is our only purpose and redemption.
True. More Monroe and Jefferson, less Boebert.I agree with that. But love has no place in government.
"...At times the Founding Fathers spoke of natural rights as being the gift of nature, but in practically every instance it was meant the gift of God which clothed us with a distinctive nature, as afore said. For instance, James Madison, who clearly acknowledged the Deistic source of right, wrote: "The equal right of every citizen to the free exercise of his religion according to the dictates of conscience is held by the same tenure with all our other rights. If we recur to its origin, it is equally the gift of nature .... -42 "The laws of nature are the laws of God; whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth, "wrote George Mason.4 3 And George Washington admonished us that as a nation we should forever respect "the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained."44 Carl Becker, outstanding scholar on Jefferson and the American Revolution, has concluded that to the Founding Fathers "the natural rights philosophy was essentially at one with the Christian faith."45..."Ding, Tocqueville is talking about a nation generally of Christians, not a Christian nation.
Our Constitution is overwhelmingly secular.
If the Fathers had realized how many Catholics would emigrate to the US, they would have banned their entry.
The Fathers thought the Baptists and proto-evangelicals to be weird.
They went crazy with the Mormons when it appeated in 1830.
We are secular government that protects the right to believe but not force religion on its citizens.
My obligation has already been satisfied, and the point being cited was Carl Becker's.Chester James Antieau is an interesting figure whose arguments on natural rights and the Constitution are flawed.
Since I am in rebuttal, you need to present a case, Ding, not post an article.
God's name is clearly mentioned in our founding documents. We were founded on the basis of religious freedom. You don't have to like it...but most people would appreciate y'all not running yo moufs on what you know NOTHING about. or you clearly want to misinform.
The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible - WallBuilders
For decades accusations against the Founding Fathers have abounded. One of the common criticisms is that the Founding Fathers were a collective group of atheists...wallbuilders.com
Do you have any links that support that belief? Has anyone actually argued the Founding Fathers didn’t believe in natural rights? Or the source of those natural rights?His theory of natural rights is flawed imo, but that does not matter. His work in Loving should be noted, though..
I understand, after the first thanksgiving( 1600,s) the white men started to murder the indians for the land and gold--Thus far removed from being Christian in any sense. None of the religions back then were actually christian. They were branches off the great apostasy( 2 Thess 2:3=the son of destruction( peredition)= Catholicism, who at their councils twisted it into oblivion. Added pagan practices off the table of demons to both holidays they invented and try to hand them to Jesus. They even named easter after the false god worshipped in the Chaldean rites of spring festival=Astarte=Ishtar( pronounced-eastar)The protestants fixed little. Information was not so easily accessible back then.One of the items that I've disagreed with over the years on this board has been the issue relating to our founding fathers and Christianity. For a while now I've not bought into the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation. Besides a select few sermons I catch each week, I also enjoy listening to the weekly podcast, 5 Minutes in Church History. Got around to yesterday's edition and in it I believe is reliable picture of Christianity during the establishment of country, especially in the period during the writing of the Constitution.
The Second Great Awakening Overlook
An excerpt:
Well, if we look at the 1790s, we see that it was an age of reason, as the book title has it, by Thomas Payne. And at the very beginnings of this young American republic, there was a strong sense of secularism. Historians have documented that church attendance in the decade of the 1790s in America was in the single digits, percentage-wise.
It was not only an age of secularism, it was also an age of deism. These old congregational churches in New England were quickly careening into what was called unitarian universalism, and neither one of those are good doctrines, and put them together, it’s really bad.
I emphasized the point by bolding the text.You put up an article that you discussed not all.
I have never seen any historian or legal scholar argue that the Founding Fathers did not believe in natural law, that they believed natural law wasn’t from God, that they believed we don’t have a duty to God or that these beliefs were not consistent with Christian beliefs.
No, I still haven't. Read what I wrote.Now you have.Debunking the Christian nation myth - Andrew Seidel - Freedom From Religion Foundation
By Andrew Seidel Andrew Seidel, FFRF staff attorney, gave this speech accompanied by PowerPoint (edited here for print) in October at FFRF’s 35...ffrf.org
that's his opinison but so whatI emphasized the point by bolding the text.
Carl Becker, outstanding scholar on Jefferson and the American Revolution, has concluded that to the Founding Fathers "the natural rights philosophy was essentially at one with the Christian faith."45...
Do you have source that refutes Carl Becker?
