Zone1 Christian Zionism

[alang1216]

There it is. You have preferences. Preferences can change.

You really have no leg to stand on to keep making moral arguments. The fact that you can't stop yourself from doing so ought to give you pause for concern. I doubt that it will just as I doubt you will ever stop making moral arguments like you did in this thread.

I have always made moral judgements but they are MY morals. I don't believe there is a higher, absolute judger of good and evil like you do.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Jewish calendar counts the years from the creation of the world (according to Jewish tradition), therefore the year according the Jewish calendar, is 5783.

Jews lived in Judea and Samra 3000 years before Islam existed

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Which religion has gained political power and NOT treated other religions as second-class citizens with sharply curtailed rights? (Don't judge Christianity only by the last century.)

Yes, you support Islamism.

 

[ding]

I have always made moral judgements but they are MY morals. I don't believe there is a higher, absolute judger of good and evil like you do.

Right, so if some guy has different morals than you - like taking lands from others by force - who is to say he is wrong for doing it. Certainly not you. He's just following Darwinian principles. So maybe stop acting like he is evil and wrong.

 

[alang1216]

Jews lived in Judea and Samra 3000 years before Islam existed

Your math is still off. Hebrew immigrated there around 1200 BC. Islam arrived by 700 AD. By my calculator that is 1900 years.

 

[alang1216]

Right, so if some guy has different morals than you - like taking lands from others by force - who is to say he is wrong for doing it. Certainly not you. He's just following Darwinian principles. So maybe stop acting like he is evil and wrong.

I have every right to speak for myself as to what is evil and wrong, I just can't claim I speak for anyone/anything but me.

 

[ding]

I have every right to speak for myself as to what is evil and wrong, I just can't claim I speak for anyone/anything but me.

Yes, but it's your expectation for universal fairness which belies your position. You expect everyone else to see it the same way as you. Which is why you said "did they not know that others lived there?" You were making a moral argument and expected that everyone else would accept it. Because if that weren't the case why even bring it up. What was the point?

 

[alang1216]

Yes, but it's your expectation for universal fairness which belies your position. You expect everyone else to see it the same way as you. Which is why you said "did they not know that others lived there?" You were making a moral argument and expected that everyone else would accept it. Because if that weren't the case why even bring it up. What was the point?

Not right. I was wondering if this was the result of ignorance or a morality other than mine.

 

[midcan5]

Earth is a complex place and Christianity is just one attempt at understanding life. One wonders what prehistoric humankind thought, in Asian or in African. Humans make it up as they travel along. Eskimos are interesting example.

 

[ding]

Not right. I was wondering if this was the result of ignorance or a morality other than mine.

Please forgive me if I don't believe this explanation as at some point even you should have realized that they realized that people were clearly living there. Just as any other people who conquered lands would have known.

Did those Christian Zionists not know there were people already living there or did they just not care?

I suspect they rationalized it just as you are rationalizing you have no expectation that fairness is universally known and accepted.

 

[alang1216]

Please forgive me if I don't believe this explanation as at some point even you should have realized that they realized that people were clearly living there. Just as any other people who conquered lands would have known.

I agree, they knew exactly what they were doing and didn't care about the consequences to those already living there.

I suspect they rationalized it

I agree, as it is an unchristian thing to do.

just as you are rationalizing you have no expectation that fairness is universally known and accepted.

So if fairness is universally known, accepted, and ignored, is it really a thing?

 

[ding]

I agree, they knew exactly what they were doing and didn't care about the consequences to those already living there.

Now you are being honest.

I agree, as it is an unchristian thing to do.

Actually it's a very human thing. And if you understood the account of the fall of man, you'd know that we have a choice in choosing to do good or evil and that the worst thing is doing evil and rationalizing it is good. But you are too intent on grinding your ax against Christians to learn anything important. You are more interested in subverting Christians and Christianity. No one is all bad or all good. Even Christians.

So if fairness is universally known, accepted, and ignored, is it really a thing?

Of course it is. If it weren't no one would rationalize they were doing good when they weren't. That's how you know it is real.

 

[alang1216]

Actually it's a very human thing. And if you understood the account of the fall of man, you'd know that we have a choice in choosing to do good or evil and that the worst thing is doing evil and rationalizing it is good.

The "worst" thing? Who appointed you judge and jury?

But you are too intent on grinding your ax against Christians to learn anything important. You are more interested in subverting Christians and Christianity. No one is all bad or all good. Even Christians.

I've always said Christians are no better or worse than any other group.

Of course it is. If it weren't no one would rationalize they were doing good when they weren't. That's how you know it is real.

You claim to know what is in people's hearts. I'm not convinced of your power.

 

[ding]

The "worst" thing? Who appointed you judge and jury?

Logic, common sense. Work through the different scenarios. It's not hard to do.

I've always said Christians are no better or worse than any other group.

That must be why other groups are so often the target of your gas lighting attempts.

You claim to know what is in people's hearts. I'm not convinced of your power.

I don't need to know what's in other people's hearts to know when they rationalize a wrong as a right. You yourself made a similar observation in your first post in this thread even if you didn't own it until much later. Did you need to know what was in their hearts to make your observation.

 

[SaxonJackson]

"Judeo" and "Christian" are two, very different religions. There is only one, true religion. The Christian religion.

I'm going to post Acts 11:26 twice. Tell me which verse is correct and which one has been falsely manipulated:

Acts 11:26, "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

Acts 11:26, "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Judeo-Christians first in Antioch."

One is truth. One is a lie.

 

[alang1216]

Logic, common sense. Work through the different scenarios. It's not hard to do.

If it's not hard, you should be able to walk me through it. I can think of worse things than hypocrisy or lying to oneself.

I don't need to know what's in other people's hearts to know when they rationalize a wrong as a right.

If you're saying you know when they know something is wrong, you do need to know what is in their hearts.

You yourself made a similar observation in your first post in this thread even if you didn't own it until much later. Did you need to know what was in their hearts to make your observation.

Untrue, I merely asked a question, I did not make an observation.

 

[ding]

If it's not hard, you should be able to walk me through it. I can think of worse things than hypocrisy or lying to oneself.

Ok, it's pretty easy for you to see that doing good is better than doing evil and rationalizing you are doing good, right? Because after all, you are doing good and not evil.

So the question comes down to what is worse, doing evil and acknowledging you are doing evil or doing evil and rationalizing you are doing good, right?

So of these two, doing evil and acknowledging that you are doing evil does not glorify doing evil. Whereas doing evil and rationalizing you are doing, right glorifies evil. It's literally how slavery and Nazism was allowed to spread. By pretending that evil is good. No one is going to get on the band wagon to do evil for the sake of evil. Lots of people will get on the bandwagon if you convince them evil is good though.

Now do you understand?

 

[ding]

If you're saying you know when they know something is wrong, you do need to know what is in their hearts.

No. I don't. I only need to know what reality is. I don't need to know what was in the hearts of Nazis or slave owners to know that they rationalized doing evil as doing good. I only need to know what is good and what is evil.

 

[ding]

Untrue, I merely asked a question, I did not make an observation.

A question you did not need to ask because you already knew the answer. So of course you made an observation. You observed that invaders know that they are taking lands from others.

 

[alang1216]

Ok, it's pretty easy for you to see that doing good is better than doing evil and rationalizing you are doing good, right? Because after all, you are doing good and not evil.

So the question comes down to what is worse, doing evil and acknowledging you are doing evil or doing evil and rationalizing you are doing good, right?

So of these two, doing evil and acknowledging that you are doing evil does not glorify doing evil. Whereas doing evil and rationalizing you are doing, right glorifies evil. It's literally how slavery and Nazism was allowed to spread. By pretending that evil is good. No one is going to get on the band wagon to do evil for the sake of evil. Lots of people will get on the bandwagon if you convince them evil is good though.

Now do you understand?

Now I understand you. Your use of 'worst' vs 'worse' was confusing.