Not a brag, an admission.
I think my values are the best ones, if I didn't believe that I'd get new ones. Isn't that the same for everyone? Like religion, everyone thinks theirs is the best one. If they didn't believe that they'd convert.
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Lack of evidence to the contrary.
That's not an affirmative argument. That's an argument of negation. That's like arguing there can't be life anywhere else outside of earth in the universe because you have seen zero evidence outside of the earth.
Besides what evidence of intelligence do you think exists outside of our time and space? What evidence would it take? So let me ask you again... what evidence DO YOU HAVE for your beliefs? None? Right? None.
That's not evidence. Especially when there is indirect evidence against your belief.
Yes. It is pretty much the same for everyone. Not everyone is open minded and objective. I just wanted to hear you admit it. I would have said pretty much the same thing. Of course I would have added that my beliefs and opinions are always subject to change upon new information because I am interested in discovering objective truth because objective truth is reality and God is reality.
Not the same since we know life exists believing it exists elsewhere is hardly a stretch.
Decades of study and experience tell me I understand the universe reasonably well and I have no evidence to believe anything else.
That is your judgement, not mine.
Is that God the creator of the universe or God the God of the Bible? What evidence do you have they are one and the same?
The Creator of the universe. I see no value in discussing who God is with someone who believes the only thing that exists is the material. Unfortunately for them, we know the universe did not come from pre-existing matter.
No. It's reality. You said you had no evidence to believe. Well... you have no evidence not to believe either. Nor should you expect to find any evidence except from what was created. So since you have no evidence not to believe, you take it on faith. I take it on evidence.
With respect to a lack of an affirmative argument, it most certainly is the same thing.
Great. Then with all those decades of experience and study, what is it that makes you certain the universe couldn't exist in the mind of God?
You're probably right, I feel the same way. Discussing God with someone who believes reality can be wished into existence is useless. Unfortunately for them, we don't know if the universe was pre-existent or not.
Now you sound desperate. I have no evidence not to believe in Ahura Mazda. Do you?
I'm certain of almost nothing. Many things are possible but highly improbable.
Denying science yet again I see. All because it disagrees with your preconceived beliefs. If that doesn't show a bias I don't know what does.
I have no idea what that is. But I do know we were talking about a non-specific creator and you need to change the discussion because you have no evidence for your beliefs.
And yet you stated with great authority that people who believe reality can be wished into existence should be dismissed. Although to be fair I never said reality was wished into existence. But don't let that get in your way.
Does it matter what it is? You have no evidence that it is NOT real so you should believe in it.
Science has lots of theories on the subject. What I dismiss is fixating on one of the many because that is what you wish to be real.
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