CDZ Christian wedding photographer sues-NY over nondiscrimination law

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So is it just an issues of how it handled. The court also suggest tolerance on both sides.

Still the court comment about undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs is vague.

Still the bible does teach tolerance and to respect everyone.
and our constitution states every person has rights. Her rights are at subject here. no one else's.
Operating in public accommodation is a privilege not a right. The seller agreed to operate on a for-profit basis not on a moral basis in public accommodation.
Even if it is a privilege, and regardless if it is a privilege or a right, neither or both, whatever you call it:
Does the Govt have the right to respect or grant this ability
ONLY to businesses and people who agree and believe in providing same sex services?

danielpalos
Are you suggesting Govt has authority to regulate expressions on websites, and goods and services provided,
on the basis of creed?

Many people either believe SOME cases of LGBT are not born or natural, but SOME are caused by unnatural abuses and can be changed, where these are faith based and private matters that govt cannot regulate; while others believe ALL cases of LGBT are unnatural and not normal.

People on BOTH sides do not believe in the arguments, beliefs or proof from the other people defending the other beliefs.

Shouldn't Govt treat these people and beliefs EQUALLY, where people need to choose and follow their own beliefs and not harass or force their beliefs on others through laws or lawsuits?

Ironic you are now acting in the same role that Christians did when discriminating against LGBT. Now you are advocating the LGBT use Govt to impose your beliefs over Christians, claiming it is defense.

But Govt is not making you take your business to places that don't provide those services. There are LGBT businesses that provide them. Why would you discriminate against LGBT businesses by not patronizing the ones who support LGBT?
The seller should join a religious order and take sacred vows and practice photography for free, for the "sisterhood" if she feels that strongly about her religious beliefs.
Opinion.
You can believe and express that.
But you cannot abuse govt, laws or courts to "regulate" religious activity or penalize someone on how they express it.

danielpalos
Are you going to treat all people this same way, and
* demand Atheists set up or join a "religious organization" before they can defend their beliefs "equally as a Christian or other recognized religion"
How is that fair or constitutional to an Atheist?
* require LGBT to finish transition and be medically recognized before proving or defending their beliefs about their identity?

I can understand if you believe this way.
As I know many people who believe Transgender should be documented by medical science similar to claiming a medical disability to get certain benefits.

Do you want Govt to regulate religion now?

Or just you expressing your beliefs, which is your right.
 

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So is it just an issues of how it handled. The court also suggest tolerance on both sides.

Still the court comment about undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs is vague.

Still the bible does teach tolerance and to respect everyone.
and our constitution states every person has rights. Her rights are at subject here. no one else's.
Operating in public accommodation is a privilege not a right. The seller agreed to operate on a for-profit basis not on a moral basis in public accommodation.
Even if it is a privilege, and regardless if it is a privilege or a right, neither or both, whatever you call it:
Does the Govt have the right to respect or grant this ability
ONLY to businesses and people who agree and believe in providing same sex services?

danielpalos
Are you suggesting Govt has authority to regulate expressions on websites, and goods and services provided,
on the basis of creed?

Many people either believe SOME cases of LGBT are not born or natural, but SOME are caused by unnatural abuses and can be changed, where these are faith based and private matters that govt cannot regulate; while others believe ALL cases of LGBT are unnatural and not normal.

People on BOTH sides do not believe in the arguments, beliefs or proof from the other people defending the other beliefs.

Shouldn't Govt treat these people and beliefs EQUALLY, where people need to choose and follow their own beliefs and not harass or force their beliefs on others through laws or lawsuits?

Ironic you are now acting in the same role that Christians did when discriminating against LGBT. Now you are advocating the LGBT use Govt to impose your beliefs over Christians, claiming it is defense.

But Govt is not making you take your business to places that don't provide those services. There are LGBT businesses that provide them. Why would you discriminate against LGBT businesses by not patronizing the ones who support LGBT?
The seller should join a religious order and take sacred vows and practice photography for free, for the "sisterhood" if she feels that strongly about her religious beliefs.
Opinion.
You can believe and express that.
But you cannot abuse govt, laws or courts to "regulate" religious activity or penalize someone on how they express it.

danielpalos
Are you going to treat all people this same way, and
* demand Atheists set up or join a "religious organization" before they can defend their beliefs "equally as a Christian or other recognized religion"
How is that fair or constitutional to an Atheist?
* require LGBT to finish transition and be medically recognized before proving or defending their beliefs about their identity?

I can understand if you believe this way.
As I know many people who believe Transgender should be documented by medical science similar to claiming a medical disability to get certain benefits.

Do you want Govt to regulate religion now?

Or just you expressing your beliefs, which is your right.
Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer.
 

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So is it just an issues of how it handled. The court also suggest tolerance on both sides.

Still the court comment about undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs is vague.

Still the bible does teach tolerance and to respect everyone.
and our constitution states every person has rights. Her rights are at subject here. no one else's.
Operating in public accommodation is a privilege not a right. The seller agreed to operate on a for-profit basis not on a moral basis in public accommodation.
Even if it is a privilege, and regardless if it is a privilege or a right, neither or both, whatever you call it:
Does the Govt have the right to respect or grant this ability
ONLY to businesses and people who agree and believe in providing same sex services?

danielpalos
Are you suggesting Govt has authority to regulate expressions on websites, and goods and services provided,
on the basis of creed?

Many people either believe SOME cases of LGBT are not born or natural, but SOME are caused by unnatural abuses and can be changed, where these are faith based and private matters that govt cannot regulate; while others believe ALL cases of LGBT are unnatural and not normal.

People on BOTH sides do not believe in the arguments, beliefs or proof from the other people defending the other beliefs.

Shouldn't Govt treat these people and beliefs EQUALLY, where people need to choose and follow their own beliefs and not harass or force their beliefs on others through laws or lawsuits?

Ironic you are now acting in the same role that Christians did when discriminating against LGBT. Now you are advocating the LGBT use Govt to impose your beliefs over Christians, claiming it is defense.

But Govt is not making you take your business to places that don't provide those services. There are LGBT businesses that provide them. Why would you discriminate against LGBT businesses by not patronizing the ones who support LGBT?
The seller should join a religious order and take sacred vows and practice photography for free, for the "sisterhood" if she feels that strongly about her religious beliefs.
Opinion.
You can believe and express that.
But you cannot abuse govt, laws or courts to "regulate" religious activity or penalize someone on how they express it.

danielpalos
Are you going to treat all people this same way, and
* demand Atheists set up or join a "religious organization" before they can defend their beliefs "equally as a Christian or other recognized religion"
How is that fair or constitutional to an Atheist?
* require LGBT to finish transition and be medically recognized before proving or defending their beliefs about their identity?

I can understand if you believe this way.
As I know many people who believe Transgender should be documented by medical science similar to claiming a medical disability to get certain benefits.

Do you want Govt to regulate religion now?

Or just you expressing your beliefs, which is your right.
Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer.
Alleged officiaL Poverty warfare.

Lucre fallacy.
 

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Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer
You simply don’t get it. Reverse the scenario was the post.
No buyer is going to a secular and laity photographer to purchase morals.
If Lucre is the fallacy of official Capitalism, what of official poverty?
Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
 

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Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer
You simply don’t get it. Reverse the scenario was the post.
No buyer is going to a secular and laity photographer to purchase morals.
If Lucre is the fallacy of official Capitalism, what of official poverty?
Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
Officlal poVerty accumulates fallacies under lurce socialism.
 

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Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer
You simply don’t get it. Reverse the scenario was the post.
No buyer is going to a secular and laity photographer to purchase morals.
If Lucre is the fallacy of official Capitalism, what of official poverty?
Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
Officlal poVerty accumulates fallacies under lurce socialism.
The poor may have the problem of "false pride" whereas Capitalists can always "purchase" some respect from cronies.
 

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Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
explain that thought.
Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism not "fools or horses". Only the Right-Wing, never gets it. Yet, they allege to be for free-market Capitalism, in socialism threads.
 

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Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
explain that thought.
Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism not "fools or horses". Only the Right-Wing, never gets it. Yet, they allege to be for free-market Capitalism, in socialism threads.
where do you think capital comes from? let's start there.
A perception of scarcity versus value?
 

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Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
explain that thought.
Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism not "fools or horses". Only the Right-Wing, never gets it. Yet, they allege to be for free-market Capitalism, in socialism threads.
where do you think capital comes from? let's start there.
A perception of scarcity versus value?

Apparitions of alleged parsimones notwithstanding.
 

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Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
explain that thought.
Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism not "fools or horses". Only the Right-Wing, never gets it. Yet, they allege to be for free-market Capitalism, in socialism threads.
where do you think capital comes from? let's start there.
Where do You think Capital comes from?
 

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Capital must circulate under Capitalism. A lack of Capital circulating is poverty.
explain that thought.
Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism not "fools or horses". Only the Right-Wing, never gets it. Yet, they allege to be for free-market Capitalism, in socialism threads.
where do you think capital comes from? let's start there.
A perception of scarcity versus value?

Apparitions of alleged parsimones notwithstanding.
Under Capitalism, all I need is all the capital in the world, to solve all the world's problems.
 

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So is it just an issues of how it handled. The court also suggest tolerance on both sides.

Still the court comment about undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs is vague.

Still the bible does teach tolerance and to respect everyone.
and our constitution states every person has rights. Her rights are at subject here. no one else's.
Operating in public accommodation is a privilege not a right. The seller agreed to operate on a for-profit basis not on a moral basis in public accommodation.
Even if it is a privilege, and regardless if it is a privilege or a right, neither or both, whatever you call it:
Does the Govt have the right to respect or grant this ability
ONLY to businesses and people who agree and believe in providing same sex services?

danielpalos
Are you suggesting Govt has authority to regulate expressions on websites, and goods and services provided,
on the basis of creed?

Many people either believe SOME cases of LGBT are not born or natural, but SOME are caused by unnatural abuses and can be changed, where these are faith based and private matters that govt cannot regulate; while others believe ALL cases of LGBT are unnatural and not normal.

People on BOTH sides do not believe in the arguments, beliefs or proof from the other people defending the other beliefs.

Shouldn't Govt treat these people and beliefs EQUALLY, where people need to choose and follow their own beliefs and not harass or force their beliefs on others through laws or lawsuits?

Ironic you are now acting in the same role that Christians did when discriminating against LGBT. Now you are advocating the LGBT use Govt to impose your beliefs over Christians, claiming it is defense.

But Govt is not making you take your business to places that don't provide those services. There are LGBT businesses that provide them. Why would you discriminate against LGBT businesses by not patronizing the ones who support LGBT?
The seller should join a religious order and take sacred vows and practice photography for free, for the "sisterhood" if she feels that strongly about her religious beliefs.
Opinion.
You can believe and express that.
But you cannot abuse govt, laws or courts to "regulate" religious activity or penalize someone on how they express it.

danielpalos
Are you going to treat all people this same way, and
* demand Atheists set up or join a "religious organization" before they can defend their beliefs "equally as a Christian or other recognized religion"
How is that fair or constitutional to an Atheist?
* require LGBT to finish transition and be medically recognized before proving or defending their beliefs about their identity?

I can understand if you believe this way.
As I know many people who believe Transgender should be documented by medical science similar to claiming a medical disability to get certain benefits.

Do you want Govt to regulate religion now?

Or just you expressing your beliefs, which is your right.
Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer.


???? What danielpalos ????
The LGBT advocates also lobby for these LGBT beliefs as part of moral human values.

AND the liberals are lobbying AGAINST traditional beliefs as "bigoted" and "immoral or wrongful."

Again danielpalos You bring up the SAME/equivalent process and mindset as Christians who do not see their beliefs as a "religion"but believe their message is simply the TRUTH.

Now you show the Liberal/LGBT are taking this same position: Of declaring their way to be "based on the Truth". Not on faith based religion or beliefs.

So I AGREE with you to avoid mixing religious free choice with secular govt and party policy.

Both sides need to comply.
 

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So is it just an issues of how it handled. The court also suggest tolerance on both sides.

Still the court comment about undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs is vague.

Still the bible does teach tolerance and to respect everyone.
and our constitution states every person has rights. Her rights are at subject here. no one else's.
Operating in public accommodation is a privilege not a right. The seller agreed to operate on a for-profit basis not on a moral basis in public accommodation.
Even if it is a privilege, and regardless if it is a privilege or a right, neither or both, whatever you call it:
Does the Govt have the right to respect or grant this ability
ONLY to businesses and people who agree and believe in providing same sex services?

danielpalos
Are you suggesting Govt has authority to regulate expressions on websites, and goods and services provided,
on the basis of creed?

Many people either believe SOME cases of LGBT are not born or natural, but SOME are caused by unnatural abuses and can be changed, where these are faith based and private matters that govt cannot regulate; while others believe ALL cases of LGBT are unnatural and not normal.

People on BOTH sides do not believe in the arguments, beliefs or proof from the other people defending the other beliefs.

Shouldn't Govt treat these people and beliefs EQUALLY, where people need to choose and follow their own beliefs and not harass or force their beliefs on others through laws or lawsuits?

Ironic you are now acting in the same role that Christians did when discriminating against LGBT. Now you are advocating the LGBT use Govt to impose your beliefs over Christians, claiming it is defense.

But Govt is not making you take your business to places that don't provide those services. There are LGBT businesses that provide them. Why would you discriminate against LGBT businesses by not patronizing the ones who support LGBT?
The seller should join a religious order and take sacred vows and practice photography for free, for the "sisterhood" if she feels that strongly about her religious beliefs.
Opinion.
You can believe and express that.
But you cannot abuse govt, laws or courts to "regulate" religious activity or penalize someone on how they express it.

danielpalos
Are you going to treat all people this same way, and
* demand Atheists set up or join a "religious organization" before they can defend their beliefs "equally as a Christian or other recognized religion"
How is that fair or constitutional to an Atheist?
* require LGBT to finish transition and be medically recognized before proving or defending their beliefs about their identity?

I can understand if you believe this way.
As I know many people who believe Transgender should be documented by medical science similar to claiming a medical disability to get certain benefits.

Do you want Govt to regulate religion now?

Or just you expressing your beliefs, which is your right.
Only the seller is alleging the subjective value of the morals of Religion not the buyer.
???? What danielpalos ????

Your mistake is trying to make ANY sense of his horseshit. Please stop.
 

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