China & Russia essentially give us the bird

[depotoo]

Here is more for you -

Snowden, who had been hiding in Hong Kong for several weeks, had also revealed to a local newspaper details about the NSA’s hacking of targets in Hong Kong.

He revealed that to a newspaper there. This guy is not just about Americans having their metadata collected.

 

[Vandalshandle]

One thing that I know about national security. There is no one person who can get access to deep secrets. Everything is layered on a "need to know" basis. This guy may be a gifted geek, but there is no way that he could have been so talanted or informed that he has details on American CIA spys in other countries. Yes, if captured by the wrong people, he could do serious damage to the country, even if his intentions was good. Frankly, however, I am beginning to think that the greatest damage he could do would be to his prior employers, when everything is revealed to the American public.

 

[Roadrunner]

Hey, get with the program. Obummer is only aiding the 'good" AQ, and only negotiating with the "progressive" Taliban, you know, the ones that do clitectomies with bayonets instead of glass shards.

 

[depotoo]

Frankly, I don't think that this guy has that much detailed information about spy's, moles, etc. He has got to know that it would put him at risk of torture and death, just walking around with it. Up to now, I have been thinking that his info is more general. As for the USA spying on China, well, I could have told you that, and the closest I ever came to the CIA was when I drove through Virginia on vacation once.

When he suddenly realized the position he had truly put himself into, I am sure he suddenly thought only of it being a bargaining chip for safe passage.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nothing has been debunked and Greenwald has a history of anti-American rhetoric and is a fixture at international communist conferences.

Glenn Greenwald Regularly Attends Marxist-Leninist Conferences

New Zealand writer and researcher Trevor Loudon reports that Glenn Greenwald spoke to the Socialism 2011 conference and ended the evening of July 3, 2011, as part of a plenary entitled “Revolution and imperialism in the Middle East.” Prior to Glenn Greenwald’s talk to the group, on civil liberties under President Obama, people in attendance chanted “Palestine will be free” and “Wars of occupation will never bring liberation.”

Greenwald is also a featured speaker at the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago this month.

“That Greenwald was willing to address a gathering of some of the most revolutionary, anti-American elements in the country speaks volumes about his personal views,” noted Loudon. “So Glenn Greenwald, the man who leaked America’s vital national security secrets on a massive scale, may not be the objective, impartial journalist he portrays himself to be.”

Indeed, the emerging evidence is that Greenwald, who writes for the British Guardian newspaper, works hand-in-glove with the International Marxist movement against the United States and its allies. This would help explain why China, Russia and other American adversaries and enemies stand to benefit from his disclosures.

As we have reported, Greenwald proudly accepted an award named in honor of Soviet agent and left-wing journalist I.F. Stone. He has encouraged people to donate money to WikiLeaks, the organization started by Julian Assange that disclosed classified information about U.S. counter-terrorism programs. Assange worked for Moscow-funded Russia Today (RT) before being granted asylum in the London embassy of the Marxist government of Ecuador.

Greenwald’s source in the NSA controversy, a former NSA contractor named Edward Snowden, is hiding out in Chinese Hong Kong and has been offered asylum in Russia.

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Greenwald is a hero to the Marxists for challenging the NSA and “the surveillance state.” One account says, “During a speech at the Socialism 2012 conference, Greenwald called the creeping surveillance state—with the expansive NSA hoarding complex at its center—an impediment to any efforts to meaningfully challenge the political status quo.”

It appears to be the case that Greenwald—and apparently his “source,” Edward Snowden—see the NSA, the spy agency created in 1948, as standing in the way of the worldwide victory of “anti-imperialist” forces.

Zero evidence and guilt by association nonsense. Good work.

Funny how flimsier guilt by association was good enough to link Obama to Ayres. Funny how the hypocritical Tea Bag Brotherhood can't live up to their own established standards.

Now you're lying about things I've said.

 

[depotoo]

One thing that I know about national security. There is no one person who can get access to deep secrets. Everything is layered on a "need to know" basis. This guy may be a gifted geek, but there is no way that he could have been so talanted or informed that he has details on American CIA spys in other countries. Yes, if captured by the wrong people, he could do serious damage to the country, even if his intentions was good. Frankly, however, I am beginning to think that the greatest damage he could do would be to his prior employers, when everything is revealed to the American public.

You have no idea what he was working on. You have no idea what he could get his hands on. We do know he had top level security clearance. He has divulged details of the spying being done on Hong Kong. Enough they let him leave there. I believe it he truly didn't have much, they would have turned him over to us, personally, due to their not wanting to create any tension with us, their trading partner.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Here is more for you -

Snowden, who had been hiding in Hong Kong for several weeks, had also revealed to a local newspaper details about the NSA’s hacking of targets in Hong Kong.

He revealed that to a newspaper there. This guy is not just about Americans having their metadata collected.

Can you link us to those details? Regardless, spying on Chinese citizens is no better than spying on American citizens. Anyone who has been illegally spied upon by the U.S. government has a right to know.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Frankly, I don't think that this guy has that much detailed information about spy's, moles, etc. He has got to know that it would put him at risk of torture and death, just walking around with it. Up to now, I have been thinking that his info is more general. As for the USA spying on China, well, I could have told you that, and the closest I ever came to the CIA was when I drove through Virginia on vacation once.

When he suddenly realized the position he had truly put himself into, I am sure he suddenly thought only of it being a bargaining chip for safe passage.

Purely speculation.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

One thing that I know about national security. There is no one person who can get access to deep secrets. Everything is layered on a "need to know" basis. This guy may be a gifted geek, but there is no way that he could have been so talanted or informed that he has details on American CIA spys in other countries. Yes, if captured by the wrong people, he could do serious damage to the country, even if his intentions was good. Frankly, however, I am beginning to think that the greatest damage he could do would be to his prior employers, when everything is revealed to the American public.

You have no diea what he was working on. You have no idea what he could get his hands on. We do know he had top level security clearance. He has divulged details of the spying being done on Hong Kong. Enough they let him leave there. I believe it he truly didn't have much, they would have turned him over to us, personally, due to their not wanting to create any tension with us, their trading partner.

More speculation. You have no idea whether that's the reason they let him go or not.

 

[Mustang]

Watching Jay Carney now and he appears VERY upset.

Question:
If Obama reset or rebuilt relationships with these countries as he's claimed why are they thumbing their nose at us?

This whole scenario has made a mockery of us.

What would our gov't do if the situation were reversed, and a Russian expatriot was on the run from HIS gov't after announcing his gov't engaged in widespread surveillance of its citizens?

 

[depotoo]

Here is more for you -

Snowden, who had been hiding in Hong Kong for several weeks, had also revealed to a local newspaper details about the NSA’s hacking of targets in Hong Kong.

He revealed that to a newspaper there. This guy is not just about Americans having their metadata collected.

Can you link us to those details? Regardless, spying on Chinese citizens is no better than spying on American citizens. Anyone who has been illegally spied upon by the U.S. government has a right to know.

Snowden?s Hong Kong exit shows Chinese displeasure over spying, lack of friends for US - The Washington Post

Sorry, Kevin. There are those that would love nothing more than to take down the US. There is more than one Emperor Hirohito in this world. And one of those that worked for the KGB during the cold war? Is President of Russia today.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Watching Jay Carney now and he appears VERY upset.

Question:
If Obama reset or rebuilt relationships with these countries as he's claimed why are they thumbing their nose at us?

This whole scenario has made a mockery of us.

What would our gov't do if the situation were reversed, and a Russian expatriot was on the run from HIS gov't after announcing his gov't engaged in widespread surveillance of its citizens?

You mean like Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese activist who fled his incarceration to the U.S. embassy in Beijing and now resides in the United States?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Here is more for you -

He revealed that to a newspaper there. This guy is not just about Americans having their metadata collected.

Can you link us to those details? Regardless, spying on Chinese citizens is no better than spying on American citizens. Anyone who has been illegally spied upon by the U.S. government has a right to know.

Snowden?s Hong Kong exit shows Chinese displeasure over spying, lack of friends for US - The Washington Post

Sorry, Kevin. There are those that would love nothing more than to take down the US. There is more than one Emperor Hirohito in this world.

It says that he gave details, but then doesn't discuss those details. And it indicates that China's reasoning in allegedly helping him leave Hong Kong was simply to avoid a standoff with the U.S., not because he allegedly paid them off with secrets.

 

[depotoo]

One thing that I know about national security. There is no one person who can get access to deep secrets. Everything is layered on a "need to know" basis. This guy may be a gifted geek, but there is no way that he could have been so talanted or informed that he has details on American CIA spys in other countries. Yes, if captured by the wrong people, he could do serious damage to the country, even if his intentions was good. Frankly, however, I am beginning to think that the greatest damage he could do would be to his prior employers, when everything is revealed to the American public.

You have no idea what he was working on. You have no idea what he could get his hands on. We do know he had top level security clearance. He has divulged details of the spying being done on Hong Kong. Enough they let him leave there. I believe it he truly didn't have much, they would have turned him over to us, personally, due to their not wanting to create any tension with us, their trading partner.

More speculation. You have no idea whether that's the reason they let him go or not.

And neither do you... but we do know he released details to a newspaper in Hong Kong. Why would he do that? Just because he could? Would China and Hong Kong really be willing to create such tension with us over a man that you purport doesn't know much of anything? How much do we feed their economy each year vs. one man that gives them nothing...?

 

[depotoo]

Can you link us to those details? Regardless, spying on Chinese citizens is no better than spying on American citizens. Anyone who has been illegally spied upon by the U.S. government has a right to know.

Snowden?s Hong Kong exit shows Chinese displeasure over spying, lack of friends for US - The Washington Post

Sorry, Kevin. There are those that would love nothing more than to take down the US. There is more than one Emperor Hirohito in this world.

It says that he gave details, but then doesn't discuss those details. And it indicates that China's reasoning in allegedly helping him leave Hong Kong was simply to avoid a standoff with the U.S., not because he allegedly paid them off with secrets.

See, this is where youth doesn't think things through. I once didn't either. To avoid a standoff, yet it could have been no standoff if they had simply turned him over. And it would have created good will with us, one of their top trading partners.

Do you really think they would give their real reasons to that paper?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You have no idea what he was working on. You have no idea what he could get his hands on. We do know he had top level security clearance. He has divulged details of the spying being done on Hong Kong. Enough they let him leave there. I believe it he truly didn't have much, they would have turned him over to us, personally, due to their not wanting to create any tension with us, their trading partner.

More speculation. You have no idea whether that's the reason they let him go or not.

And neither do you... but we do know he released details to a newspaper in Hong Kong. Why would he do that? Just because he could? Would China and Hong Kong really be willing to create such tension with us over a man that you purport doesn't know much of anything? How much do we feed their economy each year vs. one man that gives them nothing...?

No, I don't, so I choose not to speculate about scenarios that I make up in my head that maybe could happen. I also never said he doesn't know much of anything. All I'm saying is that there's no evidence he's given any sensitive information to foreign governments.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Snowden?s Hong Kong exit shows Chinese displeasure over spying, lack of friends for US - The Washington Post

Sorry, Kevin. There are those that would love nothing more than to take down the US. There is more than one Emperor Hirohito in this world.

It says that he gave details, but then doesn't discuss those details. And it indicates that China's reasoning in allegedly helping him leave Hong Kong was simply to avoid a standoff with the U.S., not because he allegedly paid them off with secrets.

See, this is where youth doesn't think things through. I once didn't either. To avoid a standoff, yet it could have been no standoff if they had simply turned him over. And it would have created good will with us, one of their top trading partners.

Do you really think they would give their real reasons to that paper?

So why did you link to it?

 

[Gracie]

When he ratted out the NSA, he was a hero to many. I just considered him someone looking out for the best interests of the denizens of the USA.

When he ratted out other things about the USA to HK and Russia...he became a traitor. His true agenda is shown.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

When he ratted out the NSA, he was a hero to many. I just considered him someone looking out for the best interests of the denizens of the USA.

When he ratted out other things about the USA to HK and Russia...he became a traitor. His true agenda is shown.

What things? Remember to provide evidence.

 

[depotoo]

More speculation. You have no idea whether that's the reason they let him go or not.

And neither do you... but we do know he released details to a newspaper in Hong Kong. Why would he do that? Just because he could? Would China and Hong Kong really be willing to create such tension with us over a man that you purport doesn't know much of anything? How much do we feed their economy each year vs. one man that gives them nothing...?

No, I don't, so I choose not to speculate about scenarios that I make up in my head that maybe could happen. I also never said he doesn't know much of anything. All I'm saying is that there's no evidence he's given any sensitive information to foreign governments.

See, you are ignoring what you have already been told he has done. He gave details. It did not say he told them we were spying on them. That statement does not include details, and is something any country would already know happens, as they themselves do it.

And do you really think the US, doesn't know what access he did have? And what he could have in his hands? And the fact he has 4 computers full of data with him tells you he has much more than data just stating we spy on other countries. That would take only the smallest of drives to carry.