China remains a threat to Taiwan - Trump is trying to prepare but the disloyal democrats are not cooperating

[shockedcanadian]

I think if China attacks Taiwan it's going to get a bloody nose.

I think it will result in more than a bloody nose. The government risks being replaced permanently.after less than 100 years of rule. It would be Tianemen.Square on juice. In Chinese culture children are the caretakers of their parents in their twilight, with the single child policy.and general decrease in child bearing.the thought of citizens sacrificing their children to attack acnon-threatening nation would be extremely.unpopular. CIA, Mi6 and.others would work to influence citizens in an unrivaled.manner. China has a beautiful history, too bad, like.the.West; they too often suppress it in their desire for absolute control.

 

[Mac-7]

Um, you are a tad confused. Vietnam fell because the Vietnamese respected the Communists and had contempt for the Quislings we were supporting.

Thats nonsense

Nixon resigned because of Watergate and antiwar democrats took over congress

They cut funding to South Vietnam and the war was lost

 

[JoeB131]

Thats nonsense

Nixon resigned because of Watergate and antiwar democrats took over congress

They cut funding to South Vietnam and the war was lost

Wow, you keep repeating this lie.

NO, funding was not cut off the Saigon Quislings. Congress approved a $700 million package in FY1975.

The Myth That Congress Cut Off Funding for South Vietnam

Since partisans have turned the April 30, 1975, Communist takeover of South Vietnam into a political weapon, I’m going to spend the anniversary doing a little myth-busting.

www.historynewsnetwork.org

Nixon had requested $1.45 billion. Congress cut his aid request, but never cut off aid.

Nixon's successor, President Gerald R. Ford, requested an additional $300 million for Saigon. Democrats saw it as an exercise in political blame-shifting. "The administration knows that the $300 million won't really do anything to prevent ultimate collapse in Vietnam," said Senator and future Vice President Walter F. Mondale, D-Mn., "and it is just trying to shift responsibility of its policy to Congress and the Democrats." Congress didn't approve the supplemental appropriation.

The Times reported that with National Security Adviser and Secretary of State Henry "Kissinger's personal prestige tied to peace in Vietnam, his aides have said that he will try to pin the blame for failure there on Congress." He tried to do just that at a March 26, 1975 news conference in which he framed the question facing Congress as "whether it will deliberately destroy an ally by withholding aid from it in its moment of extremity." Three years earlier, in October 1972, the month in which Kissinger publicly proclaimed that "peace is at hand," he privately told the President that their own settlement terms would destroy South Vietnam.

Congressional aid cuts didn't determine the war's final outcome. Saigon's fate was sealed long before, when Nixon forced it accept his settlement terms in January 1973.

 

[TimFitz]

Why? If Democrats accused Trump of sleeping with Russia then Democrats are also in bed with China.

Stupidity continues.

This time in the form of a non sequiter,

Trump sleeps with Russians. it is not a claim.

It is a well documented fact.

 

[TimFitz]

There isn’t going to be a war, silly.

No, but Trumpsters always retreat to that extreme either/or fallacy.
Trump is a coward.

There will be no war.

And America better hope that Trump does not start one.

Cowards and fools are not what you want leading a war,

 

[Mac-7]

JoeB131

Dems cut funding from $1.4 B to $700 m and that was not enough to hold off the NVA

That was a death knoll for Catholics, capitalists, and all lovers of freedom in South Vietnam

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131

Dems cut funding from $1.4 B to $700 m and that was not enough to hold off the NVA

That was a death knoll for Catholics, capitalists, and all lovers of freedom in South Vietnam

In short, the quislings who sold their people out to the French.

We spent 20 years trying to prop up the Saigon Quislings. More money for them to steal wasn't going to help it.

 

[Mac-7]

In short, the quislings who sold their people out to the French.

We spent 20 years trying to prop up the Saigon Quislings. More money for them to steal wasn't going to help it.

I dont consider people who believe in God and worth of the individual as opposed communist slavery to be Quislings

 

[skews13]

Nice TDS answer.

I'll help out.

Biden supported...

Bombing of Yugoslavia and I don't believe Clinton received permission to go to war against Yugoslavia.

First Iraq war

Second Iraq war

Invasion of Afghanistan

Intervention on Libya's internal affairs


But but but Trump, right?

Biden also supported Obama ending the Iraq war which he did. No doubt with your full support, right?

Biden also ended the war in Afghanistan. I'm sure you supported his doing this, right?

Thanks for admitting you are a supporter of Muammar Gadaffi in Libya.

The mental illness, or in some cases the abject wilfull ignorance of a Trump supporter is a sight to behold.

 

[JoeB131]

I dont consider people who believe in God and worth of the individual as opposed communist slavery to be Quislings

Well, you don't but the Vietnamese did.

This is what was truly effed up about our Vietnam policy.

First, we supported the Catholic Regime of the Diem Brothers. (even though 90% of the population was Buddhist.)

Then when the Vietnamese Military overthrew them, we had to go all in on propping them up.

When we pulled out, the Vietnamese people couldn't get rid of these fools fast enough. Nixon knew this when he signed the Paris Accord, which is why he asked the North Vietnamese for (and got) "a decent interval" between the withrdraw of American Troops in 1973 and the fall of Saigon in 1975.

When they did move, the whole campaign took 55 days.

 

[martybegan]

No, I cheerlead common sense.

Common sense is that a war over Taiwan would at best wreck the world economy, and at worst lead to World War III.

Now, if China were like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, and making claims on the whole of Asia, you might have a point.

But quite the contrary.

China hasn't annexed Outer Mongolia, a place that was once part of the Qing Empire.

Inner Mongolia (as well as Tibet, Xinjiang, and other regions) are given autonomy in their own regions.

China hasn't intervened in Myanmar, which would allow them to expand their territory/influence.

Taiwan is a sticking point for China. They are willing to tolerate it, but only for so long.

LOL someone forgets the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural evolution.

China is claiming the Spratly Islands, further away from them than countries with stronger claims.

**** the PRC.

 

[martybegan]

Bullshit they don't. They have freighter sized landing craft.

Freighter sized targets.

 

[drudge X]

When did Joe B become a mouthpiece for the CCP? I'll bet he subscribes to the South China Morning Post.

 

[Jarlaxle]

When did Joe B become a mouthpiece for the CCP? I'll bet he subscribes to the South China Morning Post.

Probably when they started paying him.

Or maybe just because he hates the United States and simps for ANYONE who wants to hurt this country.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Freighter sized targets.

This is true. The whole concept to me of a forceful invasion is ludicrous but I am not in charge of China.

A little more color on them.

China Suddenly Building Fleet Of Special Barges Suitable For Taiwan Landings - Naval News

China is building at least five new special purpose barges which appear tailor made for amphibious assault. The barges may provide the PRC (People's Republic of China) with a unique way to offload large numbers of tanks directly onto Taiwanese roads.

www.navalnews.com

 

[martybegan]

This is true. The whole concept to me of a forceful invasion is ludicrous but I am not in charge of China.

A little more color on them.

China Suddenly Building Fleet Of Special Barges Suitable For Taiwan Landings - Naval News

China is building at least five new special purpose barges which appear tailor made for amphibious assault. The barges may provide the PRC (People's Republic of China) with a unique way to offload large numbers of tanks directly onto Taiwanese roads.

www.navalnews.com

The Germans considered that method for Operation Sealion, and found they needed complete air and sea superiority for it to work.

 

[drudge X]

This is true. The whole concept to me of a forceful invasion is ludicrous but I am not in charge of China.

A little more color on them.

China Suddenly Building Fleet Of Special Barges Suitable For Taiwan Landings - Naval News

China is building at least five new special purpose barges which appear tailor made for amphibious assault. The barges may provide the PRC (People's Republic of China) with a unique way to offload large numbers of tanks directly onto Taiwanese roads.

www.navalnews.com

Only problem is how to sail to Taiwan without satellite picking them up.

 

[drudge X]

Probably when they started paying him.

Or maybe just because he hates the United States and simps for ANYONE who wants to hurt this country.

He defended every violation of international law by China while condemning the US of violating international law.

 

[Dr Grump]

Nice TDS answer.

I'll help out.

Biden supported...

Bombing of Yugoslavia and I don't believe Clinton received permission to go to war against Yugoslavia.

First Iraq war

Second Iraq war

Invasion of Afghanistan

Intervention on Libya's internal affairs


But but but Trump, right?

Nice TWS/TIKS answer. The difference is Trump is supporting the bad guys and those that helped him win in 2016.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL someone forgets the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural evolution.

No, Those were both terrible. Has nothing to do with China's valid territorial claims.

China is claiming the Spratly Islands, further away from them than countries with stronger claims.

Except those were recognized as Chinese territory as far back and the Qing Dynasty.. when most of those other countries didn't even exist.

The Germans considered that method for Operation Sealion, and found they needed complete air and sea superiority for it to work.

Except Sealion was never really a priority for the Germans.

You see, the Germans were happy to leave Britain alone, as long as they had a free hand to do whatever they wanted in Europe. They also thought they could starve the British out through submarine warfare or by taking the Suez Canal.