China remains a threat to Taiwan - Trump is trying to prepare but the disloyal democrats are not cooperating

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He was the guy in charge, regardless of his title.

Gorbachev was the head of the communist party, not the actual government of the Soviet Union, but he ran things.

Semantics.

Actually, he was their very first President, just like George Washington.

 

[martybegan]

Actually, he was their very first President, just like George Washington.

Towards the end. Typicially the General Secratary of the Party was just that, not an actual member of what was considered the
government, i.e. the Supreme Soviet and the various ministries subordinate to it.

Hell, the parallel nature of their ruling system is one of the reasons the damn thing collapsed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Towards the end. Typicially the General Secratary of the Party was just that, not an actual member of what was considered the
government, i.e. the Supreme Soviet and the various ministries subordinate to it.

Hell, the parallel nature of their ruling system is one of the reasons the damn thing collapsed.

Yeah, I know, but your original statement was not completely accurate. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[JoeB131]

Not really, and only on paper.

Same as with your fixation on following the CCP party line on Taiwan.

Point was, at the point that Noriega was arrested, he wasn't the "Strongman" anymore, and the President "on paper" authorized the US to take him into custody.

Just like on paper, Taiwan is part of China.

 

[martybegan]

Point was, at the point that Noriega was arrested, he wasn't the "Strongman" anymore, and the President "on paper" authorized the US to take him into custody.

Just like on paper, Taiwan is part of China.

And in reality Noriega was still pulling the strings, and Taiwan is treated as an independent nation in all respects except at the UN and when wording is applied to contracts and treaties.

 

[JoeB131]

And in reality Noriega was still pulling the strings, and Taiwan is treated as an independent nation in all respects except at the UN and when wording is applied to contracts and treaties.

Um, okay, except these things have meanings in international law.

Which is why we won't be able to do jack squat when CHina reclaims Taiwan and why Maduro is probably going to be cut loose at some point.

 

[martybegan]

Um, okay, except these things have meanings in international law.

Which is why we won't be able to do jack squat when CHina reclaims Taiwan and why Maduro is probably going to be cut loose at some point.

International relations, international law is a misused term.

relations are governed by treaty and power, not any actual laws.

Laws are the province of the nation state.

 

[JoeB131]

International relations, international law is a misused term.

relations are governed by treaty and power, not any actual laws.

Laws are the province of the nation state.

Okay, so here's the problem.

Kidnapping Maduro violated the UN Charter.

Also according to the UN Charter, we recognize Taiwan as part of China.

 

[martybegan]

Okay, so here's the problem.

Kidnapping Maduro violated the UN Charter.

Also according to the UN Charter, we recognize Taiwan as part of China.

Apprehending someone with a warrant.

Also:

 

[JoeB131]

Apprehending someone with a warrant.

Still in violation of the UN Charter.

So are you saying all Iran has to do is swear out a warrant against Trump and they can take him out?

 

[martybegan]

Still in violation of the UN Charter.

So are you saying all Iran has to do is swear out a warrant against Trump and they can take him out?

Who cares.

Has most of the rest of the world declared our government and Trump not the legitimate government/leader of the United States?

because that's the situation in Venezuela, and that means the situations aren't the same.

And Iran does it by Fatwas, although the way things are going, maybe not for much longer.

 

[JoeB131]

Who cares.

Has most of the rest of the world declared our government and Trump not the legitimate government/leader of the United States?

because that's the situation in Venezuela, and that means the situations aren't the same.

And Iran does it by Fatwas, although the way things are going, maybe not for much longer.

You are using qualifications that really don't matter, if all it takes is a government to declare a foreign leader a criminal, then no one's government would be safe.

THIS IS WHY GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO THAT. It's why we had the Church Amendment passed after Nixon illegally overthrew Allende in Chile.

 

[martybegan]

You are using qualifications that really don't matter, if all it takes is a government to declare a foreign leader a criminal, then no one's government would be safe.

THIS IS WHY GOVERNMENTS DON'T DO THAT. It's why we had the Church Amendment passed after Nixon illegally overthrew Allende in Chile.

Multiple governments have declared Maduro illegitimate.

The results this round will speak for themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

Multiple governments have declared Maduro illegitimate.

The results this round will speak for themselves.

what results? The Oil Barons told Trump to his face they want nothing to do with the current situation in VZ.

 

[martybegan]

what results? The Oil Barons told Trump to his face they want nothing to do with the current situation in VZ.

Ah, back to the old plutocracy stuff.

 

[JoeB131]

Ah, back to the old plutocracy stuff.

Even the plutocrats are avoiding this fiasco.