China keeps ramming Philippines ships

[Harpy Eagle]

And you don't think we provide tons of Foreign aid as well as private investments to them either?

What is with your ChiComm dick sucking?

I am pointing out the facts of the situation.

Unlike you I do not let emotions drive my life.

China is gaining influence in our part of the world due to the money and time and attention they are willing to give these nations, while we are spending trillions fighting wars in the Middle East for no gain at all.

I think we can both agree that Panama is a rather important country due to the canal. Are you aware that the US went more than 4 years with assigning an ambassador to that country, spanning both the Trump and Biden admin. During that time China gained a ton of influence and just recently completed 10 new trade agreements with Panama.

We are our own worst enemy

 

[JoeB131]

Your overall America Sucks spin on every historical event just shows you to be a pathetic self hating little twit.

If you are reading history to feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

Our role in the 1953 Coup that put the Shah in power is a thing that happened. We were responsible for everything the Shah did.

Sorry, but any deal made under duress like holding hostages I don't seem to feel like keeping.

Seizing hostages was illegal, but so was seizing assets.

Sorry, they have been breaking that agreement since the ink was signed.

No, actually, they didn't. According to the IAEA, Iran was complying with the agreement. tRump threw out the agreement anyway. Iran resumed their program and the other countries who were part of the agreement said, "**** you" and went back to trading with Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/iran-is-complying-with-nuclear-deal-restrictions-iaea-report-idUSKCN1LF1KP/

"governments"

No, they are just using force to take an area that isn't theirs.

Except they are saying it is, and frankly, they have the ability to enforce their will.

 

[martybegan]

I am pointing out the facts of the situation.

Unlike you I do not let emotions drive my life.

China is gaining influence in our part of the world due to the money and time and attention they are willing to give these nations, while we are spending trillions fighting wars in the Middle East for no gain at all.

I think we can both agree that Panama is a rather important country due to the canal. Are you aware that the US went more than 4 years with assigning an ambassador to that country, spanning both the Trump and Biden admin. During that time China gained a ton of influence and just recently completed 10 new trade agreements with Panama.

We are our own worst enemy

And letting the ChiComms get their way makes this all better how?

 

[martybegan]

If you are reading history to feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

Our role in the 1953 Coup that put the Shah in power is a thing that happened. We were responsible for everything the Shah did.



Seizing hostages was illegal, but so was seizing assets.



No, actually, they didn't. According to the IAEA, Iran was complying with the agreement. tRump threw out the agreement anyway. Iran resumed their program and the other countries who were part of the agreement said, "**** you" and went back to trading with Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/iran-is-complying-with-nuclear-deal-restrictions-iaea-report-idUSKCN1LF1KP/

Except they are saying it is, and frankly, they have the ability to enforce their will.

World politics are world politics. by your rules of us doing nothing the bad guys would win again and again and again.

What laws did that break?

Bullshit.

Of course you believe the mullahs, it's amazing how you kowtow to actual religious zealots while being a tough guy against normal people of faith.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And letting the ChiComms get their way makes this all better how?

I am not sure it is about letting them, how do we stop them?

Is the US going to stop spending trillions on wars in the ME and put that towards helping other countries instead?

If not, how will we slow down their gaining influence.

 

[martybegan]

I am not sure it is about letting them, how do we stop them?

Is the US going to stop spending trillions on wars in the ME and put that towards helping other countries instead?

If not, how will we slow down their gaining influence.

Well we don't win anything by letting them take the Spratlys and skewing over the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam and the other countries in the area.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well we don't win anything by letting them take the Spratlys and skewing over the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam and the other countries in the area.

I do not mind helping those countries, but they have to take the lead.

 

[martybegan]

I do not mind helping those countries, but they have to take the lead.

The whole purpose of our Navy is to guarantee world trade, and make people play nice on the Ocean, which is in America's interest.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The whole purpose of our Navy is to guarantee world trade, and make people play nice on the Ocean, which is in America's interest.

And all this time i thought it was to defend the United Sates.

 

[martybegan]

And all this time i thought it was to defend the United Sates.

Defending global trade is defending the United States.

Or do you think our interests stop at the coastlines?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Defending global trade is defending the United States.

Or do you think our interests stop at the coastlines?

Why is it our job? There are 100 other Navies out there. We have done our share, we can no longer afforded to be the worlds police force and ocean patrol.

 

[JoeB131]

And letting the ChiComms get their way makes this all better how?

Well, to start, it avoid unnecessary conflicts over unimportant issues. If America really wants to be loved in the world again, we need to do what we did after WWII, and provide aid and development. We stopped doing that and the Chinese have filled in the gap.

World politics are world politics. by your rules of us doing nothing the bad guys would win again and again and again.

Except when we do something, it makes matters worse. Let's take 1953. If we hadn't put the Shah back into power, Iran would have turned into a parliamentary democracy. BP would have had to pay a fair price for Petroleum and the Ayatollahs would have been happier just doing religion rather than trying to run a government (which they suck at.)

What laws did that break?

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www.reuters.com

In a partial victory for Iran, judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Thursday ruled Washington had illegally allowed courts to freeze assets of some Iranian companies and ordered the United States to pay compensation but left the amount to be determined later.

Of course you believe the mullahs, it's amazing how you kowtow to actual religious zealots while being a tough guy against normal people of faith.

Well, I belive them before that lying Zionist, Netanyahu. Old Bibi has been screaming "Iran is about to get the bomb" since the 1990's, trying to get us to attack Iran, because the Isreali Motto is, "Let's you and him fight!"

I also believe the IAEA which was conducting the inspections and said repeatedly that Iran was in compliance.

Well we don't win anything by letting them take the Spratlys and skewing over the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam and the other countries in the area.

Sure we do. We avoid WWIII by provoking a stupid situation.

Imagine, if you would, if after the Archduke got shot in 1914, instead of the Kaiser and the Tsar escalating the crisis, they said to Austria and Serbia, "Hey, you guys need to work this out for yourselves!"

Instead, we got WWI, the Tsar was killed, the Kaiser was deposed, and 22 million people died.

 

[martybegan]

Why is it our job? There are 100 other Navies out there. We have done our share, we can no longer afforded to be the worlds police force and ocean patrol.

We are the equivalent of those 100 navies, and we benefit the most in the world from free trade via the oceans.

The British did if for a century or so, now its our turn.

 

[martybegan]

Well, to start, it avoid unnecessary conflicts over unimportant issues. If America really wants to be loved in the world again, we need to do what we did after WWII, and provide aid and development. We stopped doing that and the Chinese have filled in the gap.



Except when we do something, it makes matters worse. Let's take 1953. If we hadn't put the Shah back into power, Iran would have turned into a parliamentary democracy. BP would have had to pay a fair price for Petroleum and the Ayatollahs would have been happier just doing religion rather than trying to run a government (which they suck at.)

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www.reuters.com

In a partial victory for Iran, judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Thursday ruled Washington had illegally allowed courts to freeze assets of some Iranian companies and ordered the United States to pay compensation but left the amount to be determined later.



Well, I belive them before that lying Zionist, Netanyahu. Old Bibi has been screaming "Iran is about to get the bomb" since the 1990's, trying to get us to attack Iran, because the Isreali Motto is, "Let's you and him fight!"

I also believe the IAEA which was conducting the inspections and said repeatedly that Iran was in compliance.



Sure we do. We avoid WWIII by provoking a stupid situation.

Imagine, if you would, if after the Archduke got shot in 1914, instead of the Kaiser and the Tsar escalating the crisis, they said to Austria and Serbia, "Hey, you guys need to work this out for yourselves!"

Instead, we got WWI, the Tsar was killed, the Kaiser was deposed, and 22 million people died.

And yet Ukraine is THE MOST IMPORTAN THING EVAH, right?

Not likely.


ICJ, **** them.

That makes you a ******* moron.


Notice you didn't bring up Munich.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The British did if for a century or so, now its our turn.

and where are they now due to the cost of such an effort?

 

[martybegan]

and where are they now due to the cost of such an effort?

They had a good run while they were the top.

Their decline wasn't because of the navy, it was because they gave up their colonies, and their trade was based on that.

We don't have colonies, we have trading partners.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They had a good run while they were the top.

And so did the US.

But that ride is coming to an end at the hands of 35T and growing debt.

it is not the end of the world though, most every empire that has fallen still exist today as country doing just fine.

We will be the same

 

[martybegan]

And so did the US.

But that ride is coming to an end at the hands of 35T and growing debt.

it is not the end of the world though, most every empire that has fallen still exist today as country doing just fine.

We will be the same

Tell that to the Romans.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tell that to the Romans.

Have you never been to Italy?

 

[JoeB131]

And yet Ukraine is THE MOST IMPORTAN THING EVAH, right?

Um, yeah, it's pretty important that we respect international borders.

ICJ, **** them.

Until we have a dispute with someone, then we go running to them.

Notice you didn't bring up Munich.

I kind of don't have to.

Here's the thing, Chamberlain walked away from Munich thinking he got a pretty good deal, while Hitler was disappointed, because he really WANTED a war with Czechoslovakia. Hitler won out in the long run because the Hungarians and Slovaks didn't want to be ruled by Prague, either. But instead of getting all of Czechoslovakia like he wanted, he only ended up with the Sudetenland. Hungary got Subcarpathia, Slovakia got independence, and Bohemia became a German protectorate. Even Poland snagged a chunk of Czechslovakia.

None of this has anything to so with avoiding a war over the Spratleys, Islands where no one actually lives and there's barely enough land to stand on.

Hell, the Phillippines didn't even make a claim to the Spratleys until 1956.