China keeps ramming Philippines ships

[JoeB131]

And Ukraine doesn't need mine, nor does Iran.

Mostly the Persians, and also fuck the Mullahs.

Nobody gave Iran your money.

Iran got money we illegally seized from them. In return, Iran unfroze Western assets they had seized.

As for Ukraine (man, you guys are really bitter that Zelensky embarrassed Trump) the notion of international law that has kept the peace since 1945 seems kind of important.

 

[martybegan]

Nobody gave Iran your money.

Iran got money we illegally seized from them. In return, Iran unfroze Western assets they had seized.

As for Ukraine (man, you guys are really bitter that Zelensky embarrassed Trump) the notion of international law that has kept the peace since 1945 seems kind of important.

Seized because they were being dicks, nothing "illegal" about it.

I hope Russia loses, what I am pointing out is your fucking retarded hypocrisy on Ukraine vis a vis China AND Iran.

You suck Mullah and ChiComm dick and wonder why you get called out for it...

 

[JoeB131]

Seized because they were being dicks, nothing "illegal" about it.

I'm sorry, who was being a dick, exactly? We propped up the Shah, he killed tens of thousands of Iranians (in fact, so many that the only group that could organize a resistance was the Clergy because all the intellectuals had been murdered), and then the US took the guy in for "Cancer Treatment". The Iranians rightfully thought we were getting ready to stage a counter-coup and put him back into power again as we did in 1953.

They didn't execute the hostages, they in fact released all the women and minorities as a show of good faith. Then the feckless Mr. Carter realized he looked presidential in a crisis, just enough to beat Ted Kennedy.

In any event, when the final deal was made to release the last of the hostages, we promised to release Iranian Assets... which we didn't do. International courts repeatedly ruled against us on this issue, and we ignored them.

Finally, we gave them back their assets under - wait for it - another agreement regarding their nuclear program, which once again, WE broke, not them.

I hope Russia loses, what I am pointing out is your fucking retarded hypocrisy on Ukraine vis a vis China AND Iran.

Not at all. Russia is violating the territorial integrity of its neighbors. Iran is not. Iranian troops are in Syria and Iraq, and the INVITATION of their governments, because we threw the whole region into chaos by invading Iraq. So they did us a solid by taking out ISIS for us.

Same thing with China. China isn't invading Vietnam or the Philippines (even though it could probably crush either one like a bug) they are just taking SOME (but not all) disputed Islands. They aren't invading Taiwan either, even though under international law, they'd have every right to.

You suck Mullah and ChiComm dick and wonder why you get called out for it...

Well, no, guy, you are the one apologizing for Putin... also, your weird sexual fantasies need help. You won't get a wedding cake from the Christo-Fascists that way.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

China does things for their interest, anyone does things for their interest.

The US has been funding this stuff worldwide for decades. You act as if China invented it all of a sudden.

The US has never done the sort of things China is doing as far as investing in infrastructure outside of rebuilding countries we bombed into oblivion

 

[martybegan]

I'm sorry, who was being a dick, exactly? We propped up the Shah, he killed tens of thousands of Iranians (in fact, so many that the only group that could organize a resistance was the Clergy because all the intellectuals had been murdered), and then the US took the guy in for "Cancer Treatment". The Iranians rightfully thought we were getting ready to stage a counter-coup and put him back into power again as we did in 1953.

They didn't execute the hostages, they in fact released all the women and minorities as a show of good faith. Then the feckless Mr. Carter realized he looked presidential in a crisis, just enough to beat Ted Kennedy.

In any event, when the final deal was made to release the last of the hostages, we promised to release Iranian Assets... which we didn't do. International courts repeatedly ruled against us on this issue, and we ignored them.

Finally, we gave them back their assets under - wait for it - another agreement regarding their nuclear program, which once again, WE broke, not them.



Not at all. Russia is violating the territorial integrity of its neighbors. Iran is not. Iranian troops are in Syria and Iraq, and the INVITATION of their governments, because we threw the whole region into chaos by invading Iraq. So they did us a solid by taking out ISIS for us.

Same thing with China. China isn't invading Vietnam or the Philippines (even though it could probably crush either one like a bug) they are just taking SOME (but not all) disputed Islands. They aren't invading Taiwan either, even though under international law, they'd have every right to.



Well, no, guy, you are the one apologizing for Putin... also, your weird sexual fantasies need help. You won't get a wedding cake from the Christo-Fascists that way.

Your overall America Sucks spin on every historical event just shows you to be a pathetic self hating little twit.

Sorry, but any deal made under duress like holding hostages I don't seem to feel like keeping.

Sorry, they have been breaking that agreement since the ink was signed.


"governments"

No, they are just using force to take an area that isn't theirs.

 

[martybegan]

The US has never done the sort of things China is doing as far as investing in infrastructure outside of rebuilding countries we bombed into oblivion

Bullshit.

Have we ever bombed most countries in Africa, and you are telling me we haven't help build ANYTHING in those countries?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Have we ever bombed most countries in Africa, and you are telling me we haven't help build ANYTHING in those countries?

list what we have done in Africa.

 

[martybegan]

list what we have done in Africa.

Mission | USADF

FACT SHEET: Advancing U.S. Infrastructure Solutions in Africa – USTDA

U.S. Government Agencies | Power Africa | U.S. Agency for International Development

And that was just one google search.

Maybe before you discuss something, you should look up information about it first.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Mission | USADF

FACT SHEET: Advancing U.S. Infrastructure Solutions in Africa – USTDA

U.S. Government Agencies | Power Africa | U.S. Agency for International Development

And that was just one google search.

Maybe before you discuss something, you should look up information about it first.

So, we are not actually building anything, we are helping with designs and helping them get financing to build them.

As opposed to what China is doing...

China in Africa: Building roads and political capital – DW – 01/20/2024

Beijing's pursuit of influence in Africa goes beyond economic interests. China's investments in infrastructure are coupled with efforts to secure political support and access to resources.

www.dw.com

https://www.cgdev.org/blog/why-china-building-so-much-africa

Which do you think will bring more influence with it?

 

[martybegan]

So, we are not actually building anything, we are helping with designs and helping them get financing to build them.

How is that any different?

And we have been doing it for decades longer than China has.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How is that any different?

And we have been doing it for decades longer than China has.

see the update to my post.

 

[martybegan]

see the update to my post.

It doesn't change anything. Again, what is the difference once the infrastructure is built?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It doesn't change anything. Again, what is the difference once the infrastructure is built?

Let me put it this way.

One person helps you design your new home.

Another person actually builds it all for you.

Which person are you thinking more highly of?

 

[martybegan]

Let me put it this way.

One person helps you design your new home.

Another person actually builds it all for you.

Which person are you thinking more highly of?

Actually, it's design, provide the materials for, and pay for, and in our method who do the local contractors think more highly of?

China has a surplus of young men with little to do, that's why they use their method.

We don't have that, so we use our method.

In the end it doesn't matter to the people overall using the infrastructure.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Actually, it's design, provide the materials for, and pay for, and in our method who do the local contractors think more highly of?

We are not providing the materials or paying for them. Your own links listed what we do, and those are not part of it.

In the end it doesn't matter to the people overall using the infrastructure.

The people will remember where they got it from.

 

[martybegan]

We are not providing the materials or paying for them. Your own links listed what we do, and those are not part of it.



The people will remember where they got it from.

Those are just examples, US Aid also sends materials and cash grants over there. It's a multi-layered approach.

And another thing the US has over China, Private investment. Companies going over there to place operations for their businesses.

China doesn't have that equivalent because all they have is government investment.

Take the loss on this, your comparison simply doesn't hold water.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And another thing the US has over China, Private investment. Companies going over there to place operations for their businesses.

How many US companies are doing this?

Brazil opened up bids to run 5 of their biggest ports. How many US companies do you think have put in a bid?

Panama had bids to build a 4th bridge over the canal, how many US companies do you think put in a bid?

 

[martybegan]

How many US companies are doing this?

Brazil opened up bids to run 5 of their biggest ports. How many US companies do you think have put in a bid?

Panama had bids to build a 4th bridge over the canal, how many US companies do you think put in a bid?

Why are you shifting over from Africa when we were talking about Africa?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why are you shifting over from Africa when we were talking about Africa?

Because it is the same all over the world.

And Latin and South America are far more important to the US as they are in our part of the world, yet China is gaining influence over them.

 

[martybegan]

Because it is the same all over the world.

And Latin and South America are far more important to the US as they are in our part of the world, yet China is gaining influence over them.

And you don't think we provide tons of Foreign aid as well as private investments to them either?

What is with your ChiComm dick sucking?