China keeps ramming Philippines ships

The Philippines just elected the son of the guy who declared martial law for a decade. They clearly aren't a Democracy.

Taiwan was ruled by a fascist name Chiang for decades, but they are a rebellious province of China, so not my problem. The third dictatorship I was referring to in relations to the SCS was Vietnam.

Elected. Until he tries to stay in power like your butt buddy Maduro in Venezuela, your definition is wrong.

Taiwan has had open elections for decades now.

Ukraine can't be considered a part of the old Russian/Soviet Empire?
 
Elected. Until he tries to stay in power like your butt buddy Maduro in Venezuela, your definition is wrong.

Taiwan has had open elections for decades now.

Ukraine can't be considered a part of the old Russian/Soviet Empire?

Nope. The minute they put that twat back into power, I gave up on them.

Taiwan isn't a country, it's claims to be part of China. Let the Chinese sort it out.

Again- Taiwan claims to be the rulers of China. It's an internal matter.
 
Nope. The minute they put that twat back into power, I gave up on them.

Taiwan isn't a country, it's claims to be part of China. Let the Chinese sort it out.

Again- Taiwan claims to be the rulers of China. It's an internal matter.

That you don't see the Ukraine thing could be similar is telling.

It's a representative Republic, not a bunch of Former commies playing capitalist oligarchs.
 
The Philippines just elected the son of the guy who declared martial law for a decade. They clearly aren't a Democracy.

Taiwan was ruled by a fascist name Chiang for decades, but they are a rebellious province of China, so not my problem. The third dictatorship I was referring to in relations to the SCS was Vietnam.
Wait, you have no right to sell Taiwan out. Taiwan is set up much like we are under Biden.
 
That you don't see the Ukraine thing could be similar is telling.

It's a representative Republic, not a bunch of Former commies playing capitalist oligarchs.

Not even close.

The Ukrainians speak Urkainian, they have a history separate from Russia, even during the Soviet Union, they were recognized as a separate Republic within the USSR.

On the other hand, Taiwan calls itself "The Republic of China", they speak Mandarin and write in Hanzi.

Wait, you have no right to sell Taiwan out. Taiwan is set up much like we are under Biden.

We sold Taiwan out when Jimmy Carter recognized the reality that the government in China is seated in Beijing.

Seriously, what's our legal case for supporting Taiwan? We don't recognize it as a country and we admit that it's a province of China.
 
We sold Taiwan out when Jimmy Carter recognized the reality that the government in China is seated in Beijing.

Seriously, what's our legal case for supporting Taiwan? We don't recognize it as a country and we admit that it's a province of China.
Jimmy Carter did a lot of damage to his own country. I departed the democrats due to his acts. Taiwan is not inside of China. It is an island nation. Taiwan definitely is a country that I learned much about from my hiring a woman appraiser who was born in Taiwan.

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Not even close.

The Ukrainians speak Urkainian, they have a history separate from Russia, even during the Soviet Union, they were recognized as a separate Republic within the USSR.

On the other hand, Taiwan calls itself "The Republic of China", they speak Mandarin and write in Hanzi.



We sold Taiwan out when Jimmy Carter recognized the reality that the government in China is seated in Beijing.

Seriously, what's our legal case for supporting Taiwan? We don't recognize it as a country and we admit that it's a province of China.

How many different variations of "Chinese" are spoken in China?

Realpolitik is not selling out, and we still back them with arms and diplomatic cover, something you evidently want to get rid of.

We actually pretend it's both diplomatically.
 
Jimmy Carter did a lot of damage to his own country. I departed the democrats due to his acts. Taiwan is not inside of China. It is an island nation. Taiwan definitely is a country that I learned much about from my hiring a woman appraiser who was born in Taiwan.

Except Taiwan has been part of China since the Ming Dynasty. While there WERE indigenous people there before the Chinese started settling it, today, the population of Taiwan is 98% Han Chinese. (Compared to China itself, which is a mere 91% Han Chinese.)

They Speak Mandarin
They write in Hanzi
They call themselves the Republic of China.
They revere Chinese historical figures such as Sun Yixian (Sun Yat-sen) and Jiǎng Jièshí (Chiang Kai-shek).
 
How many different variations of "Chinese" are spoken in China?

Which is why I SPECIFIED Mandarin, not "Chinese". Mandarin is the dominant dialect in both China and Taiwan.

Realpolitik is not selling out, and we still back them with arms and diplomatic cover, something you evidently want to get rid of.

yes, because it's stupid to risk WWIII and annihilation because a bunch of Chinese have been squabbling for 80 years over what kind of government they should have.

We actually pretend it's both diplomatically.

Which is... dumb.
 
Which is why I SPECIFIED Mandarin, not "Chinese". Mandarin is the dominant dialect in both China and Taiwan.



yes, because it's stupid to risk WWIII and annihilation because a bunch of Chinese have been squabbling for 80 years over what kind of government they should have.



Which is... dumb.

How much different is Ukranian from Russian or say Georgian?

And yet smart to risk WWIII over Ukraine?
 
Except Taiwan has been part of China since the Ming Dynasty. While there WERE indigenous people there before the Chinese started settling it, today, the population of Taiwan is 98% Han Chinese. (Compared to China itself, which is a mere 91% Han Chinese.)

They Speak Mandarin
They write in Hanzi
They call themselves the Republic of China.
They revere Chinese historical figures such as Sun Yixian (Sun Yat-sen) and Jiǎng Jièshí (Chiang Kai-shek).
Taiwan would now be included with China where those claims what makes up a country.

This is from the CIA Factbook. It says that China belongs to Taiwan.

First inhabited by Austronesian people, Taiwan became home to Han immigrants beginning in the late Ming Dynasty (17th century). With the communist victory in the Chinese civil war in 1949, the Nationalist-controlled Republic of China government and 2 million Nationalists fled to Taiwan and continued to claim to be the legitimate government for mainland China and Taiwan based on a 1947 Constitution. Taiwan has since had several democratic transfers of power and has a strong economy.
 
How much different is Ukranian from Russian or say Georgian?

Since I just explained it to you, and you still aren't getting it, I have to conclude you are a high grade retard. The only thing worse is a Mormon, speaking of which...


Taiwan would now be included with China where those claims what makes up a country.

This is from the CIA Factbook. It says that China belongs to Taiwan.

First inhabited by Austronesian people, Taiwan became home to Han immigrants beginning in the late Ming Dynasty (17th century). With the communist victory in the Chinese civil war in 1949, the Nationalist-controlled Republic of China government and 2 million Nationalists fled to Taiwan and continued to claim to be the legitimate government for mainland China and Taiwan based on a 1947 Constitution. Taiwan has since had several democratic transfers of power and has a strong economy.

Why do you think repeating what I said with different phrasing makes it different?

Who lives on Taiwan? - Mostly Han Chinese.
What do they speak? Mandarin (AKA Guanhau)
What do they write in? Traditional Chinese Characters - AKA, Hanzi
What do they call their country? The Republic of China.

This is not a unique nationality/Culture like Ukrainian or Georgian. Up until 1947, they were the same culture (despite the best efforts of the Japanese).
 
We can go around them, if we really had to.

Yes, the territorial integrity of a democracy is our problem.

Three little dictators squabbling over who owns a barren desert island is not.
A shining example of what an American partisan dupe is. An East European oligarchy, that had its government overthrown, that had a civil war because of that, that for the last centuries was part of Russia, a half population of which is speaking Russian, and where a great deal of people in the breakaway regions associate themselves with Russia - is a 'democracy' whose territorial integrity is of the main concern for America.

But SE Asia is not - wrong democracies, too far, not American business etc.

America should pack their shit and get out from Eastern Europe, SE Asia, the Middle East and other regions where it doesn't belong and only causes additional troubles.
 
Since I just explained it to you, and you still aren't getting it, I have to conclude you are a high grade retard. The only thing worse is a Mormon, speaking of which...




Why do you think repeating what I said with different phrasing makes it different?

Who lives on Taiwan? - Mostly Han Chinese.
What do they speak? Mandarin (AKA Guanhau)
What do they write in? Traditional Chinese Characters - AKA, Hanzi
What do they call their country? The Republic of China.

This is not a unique nationality/Culture like Ukrainian or Georgian. Up until 1947, they were the same culture (despite the best efforts of the Japanese).

I'm not accepting your argument, I get that you are a narcissistic jew hating fuck.
 
A shining example of what an American partisan dupe is. An East European oligarchy, that had its government overthrown, that had a civil war because of that, that for the last centuries was part of Russia, a half population of which is speaking Russian, and where a great deal of people in the breakaway regions associate themselves with Russia - is a 'democracy' whose territorial integrity is of the main concern for America.

But SE Asia is not - wrong democracies, too far, not American business etc.

America should pack their shit and get out from Eastern Europe, SE Asia, the Middle East and other regions where it doesn't belong and only causes additional troubles.

That Ukraine overthrew a government that had murdered its citizens, and that's why the Maidan Revolution happened. Nowhere near half the population spoke Russian. The issue wasn't even the Russian Speaking areas, as the Russians had already taken Crimea, and the Donbas were de facto independent. It was Putin deciding he was going to conquer the whole of Ukraine that was the problem, because that was a violation of international law. Territorial integrity is a major concern of the whole world.

South East Asia, on the other hand, fighting over some tiny Islands that barely stick up out of the water is hardly a concern of the US, especially since the two countries involved have no love for the US. We are going to go in there to fight for Vietnam? You mean the Same Vietnam that killed 56,000 American soldiers telling us to get out of the region?

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Sorry, we gave you quite enough, thank you very much.


Or the Philippines, who told us to get out after our lease on Subic Bay and Clark Airfield expired? After we had liberated them from both the Spanish and the Japanese? These are the people you want to throw down for over a crappy little Island that barely sticks out of the water?

Taiwan, of course, is quite a different issue. We have ALREADY CONCEDED that it is indeed a part of China. They claim to be part of China. That Taiwan is China isn't even an issue in dispute on a diplomatic sense. The only question is, should the people of Taiwan submit to rule by the mainland.

Final note- I should point out that Vietnam and the Philippines do far more trade with China than they do with the US at this point. So it seems that they are happy to have our military lay down their lives for them, but they won't open their wallets for us.
 
.... your concession is duly noted..

I guess a dumber thing than fighting over crappy little Islands is fighting over a desert that a Sky Pixie promised someone.

No concession, it's called disagreement, I know progressives like you can't understand that concept.
 
No concession, it's called disagreement, I know progressives like you can't understand that concept.

Disagreement requires a cogent argument.

you don't seem to have one. Fighting a war over an Island that barely sticks out of the water, or a bigger Island that we've already conceded belongs to China, is just kind of stupid, and you can't justify it.
 
Disagreement requires a cogent argument.

you don't seem to have one. Fighting a war over an Island that barely sticks out of the water, or a bigger Island that we've already conceded belongs to China, is just kind of stupid, and you can't justify it.

They are a representative Republic, They don't want to be ruled by the commies, and they are an important trading partner astride an important trade route.

Then you add their counter value vs. the PRC and you have my argument.

You on the other hand just have your narcissism that makes you think your shit don't stink.
 
They are a representative Republic, They don't want to be ruled by the commies, and they are an important trading partner astride an important trade route.

Um, okay.
China is an even more important trading partner.
I don't really care about what they want. Especially since they already do so much to advance China economically. (40% of Taiwan's trade is with China, and much of China's economic boom in the last few decades was funded by Taiwanese business interests.)

Then you add their counter value vs. the PRC and you have my argument.

Except it's a stupid argument. China is only an "enemy" because you people want them to be. They really haven't done anything that really justifies it. The US goes around the world dropping bombs, the Chinese go around the world helping to build roads and ports. And not surprisingly, their Goodwill is growing while ours is shrinking.

You on the other hand just have your narcissism that makes you think your shit don't stink.
A Trump supporter complaining about Narcissism is hilarious.

Uh, yeah, it's pretty narcissistic of me to NOT want to risk WWIII over an Island we have ALREADY CONCEDED belongs to China.
 

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