China is doing better for its citizens than the U.S. is, but Trump is not keying on changing that. He is keying on....

[initforme]

The baby boomers are retiring. The job opportunities for new workers will be very large.

IF we don't let the employers fill those slots cheap with third world labor.

Retiring early as possible can very well be accomplished by one working 60 hours plus per week, living by oneself in a very cheap place, and avoiding things like social outings, etc. Work 7 days per week, at least 8 hours per day. Put all that $ away. No vacations, no eating out, no Christmas shopping, etc. Amass as much money as possible.

 

[Luckyone]

You think it's not in China?

Every policy they make is all about how the rich people at the top can stay in power.

The difference between the US and China is that in the US the politicians at the top are taking the money from the rich to do their bidding. In China, the people at the top are RICH and doing everything they can to enrich themselves.

How rich do you think Xi is? Don't know? Why's that? Because nobody's allowed to know.

He's worth an estimated $1.3 billion. How on earth? With his salary he shouldn't be anywhere near that. And that's just a guess. Essentially in China you have to buy your position when you get to a certain point. The only way to buy it, is through bribery. The higher up you go, the bigger the bribes.

Read the OP!!!!

 

[Correll]

Retiring early as possible can very well be accomplished by one working 60 hours plus per week, living by oneself in a very cheap place, and avoiding things like social outings, etc. Work 7 days per week, at least 8 hours per day. Put all that $ away. No vacations, no eating out, no Christmas shopping, etc. Amass as much money as possible.

That sounds like a dumb plan. Living too much for the future.

I have a buddy who retired in his early twenties from being a cop. Some jobs, especially physical jobs with some danger in them, firefighter, have good pensions and early retirement rules.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Read the OP!!!!

I read it. I think it's wrong.

 

[Luckyone]

China is in decline as the economy fails and workers are not being paid. Unemployment fir 30 and under is 30%. The real estate market has collapsed

Worker protests in China have surged significantly, primarily driven by unpaid wages, factory closures due to economic downturns, and mass layoffs. Trackers like the China Dissent Monitor and China Labour Bulletin indicate that the vast majority of dissent events are tied to these economic grievances across manufacturing, construction, and delivery sectors.
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Key Drivers of Unrest

• Unpaid Wages and Closures: As export orders and manufacturing output decline, small and medium-sized factories have been forced to lay off workers or halt operations, often leaving employees without back pay or severance.
• Real Estate Crisis:The ongoing financial strain in China's real estate sector has trickled down, leading to protests by unpaid construction workers who are owed months of wages.
  • Delivery and Gig Work:Independent workers, particularly food delivery drivers on platforms like Meituan, have organized strikes over base pay reductions and unsafe working conditions, such as being forced to work during severe weather.
    
    
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Protests Outside of China
Chinese labor discontent is also spilling overseas. Notably, Chinese workers employed by international contractors have staged protests in countries like Russia, where hundreds of employees working on infrastructure projects marched in the Far East demanding back pay.

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Censorship and Response
Because public demonstrations are swiftly suppressed by local authorities, workers frequently resort to drastic measures—such as threatening to jump from buildings or occupying government and social security bureau offices—to draw attention and force local officials to mediate their grievances. However, collective action frequently results in the punishment or arrest of organizers, keeping organized strikes highly risky for participants.

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Indonesia: 'Hundreds' of Chinese workers protest due to alleged wage theft at Jinjiang Alumina Integrated Industrial Park; incl. cos. non-responses​

In March 2025, China Labor Watch released a newsletter outlining labour rights abuses linked to Chinese companies worldwide, including impacts on Chinese migrant workers.

The newsletter alleges that, in March, ‘hundreds’ of Chinese workers at Jinjiang Alumina Integrated Industrial Park in Kalimantan, Indonesia, were reportedly subjected to months of wage theft. Construction at the project is being carried out by China Power Construction Group Nuclear Power Engineering (part of PowerChina); and the Industrial Park is being managed by Hangzhou Jinjiang Group.

The newsletter also describes separate labour rights violations impacting a Chinese migrant worker in Indonesia, who was employed to dismantle a steel plant, including hazardous working conditions and wage theft.

Further, the newsletter describes wider human rights issues linked to Chinese companies worldwide, including alleged protests over Chinese-funded infrastructure projects in Serbia; impacts on Chinese projects due to fighting between the Myanmar junta and Arakan Army; alleged safety violations linked to China Communications Construction Company in Uganda, leading to the firm being suspended; and a case of a Chinese firm, China State Construction Engineering Corporation, failing to comply to labour law by hiring undocumented workers in Malaysia (the company was fined USD23,600 for the violation).

In January 2026, the Business & Human Rights Centre invited PowerChina and Hangzhou Jinjiang Group to respond to the allegations. The companies did not respond.

All of this fue to Trump’s tariffs. That is his way of doing things “destroy the competition so me and my rich friends can get richer. Damn the rest of the citizens!

 

[JoeB131]

My goodness, such naked Chicom propaganda!

I hear their organ harvesting technology is first rate.

Now, funny thing about that.

Is the organ harvesting awful, or is the fact that they still execute people awful? Given that we can't seem to rid ourselves of the barbaric practice of capital punishment, I don't think we have room to complain.

Mrs. B131 and I were watching a video from China where some people had just been sentenced to death for drug smuggling. To her, this was perfectly fine. China's history with opium addiction (used by the West and Japan to weaken China while profiting off its misery) has left a long scar on the country's psyche, and they have a zero-tolerance attitude towards drugs.

My position is that capital punishment is wrong because, inevitably, you are going to execute an innocent person by mistake.

Harvesting their organs when they don't need them anymore seems besides the point.

 

[initforme]

That sounds like a dumb plan. Living too much for the future.

I have a buddy who retired in his early twenties from being a cop. Some jobs, especially physical jobs with some danger in them, firefighter, have good pensions and early retirement rules.

So working hard and saving money like crazy is a dumb plan? Debatable. Getting married at 22, starting from nothing is dumb too.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We are heading in that direction! Ever hear of DOGE? That's nothing. AI, flock, AGI, data centers, surveillance robotics, non stop data collection are where we're heading.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Now, funny thing about that.

Is the organ harvesting awful, or is the fact that they still execute people awful? Given that we can't seem to rid ourselves of the barbaric practice of capital punishment, I don't think we have room to complain.

Mrs. B131 and I were watching a video from China where some people had just been sentenced to death for drug smuggling. To her, this was perfectly fine. China's history with opium addiction (used by the West and Japan to weaken China while profiting off its misery) has left a long scar on the country's psyche, and they have a zero-tolerance attitude towards drugs.

My position is that capital punishment is wrong because, inevitably, you are going to execute an innocent person by mistake.

Harvesting their organs when they don't need them anymore seems besides the point.

China has built an entire infrastructure on killing people to harvest their organs. If there ever was a time to assemble the CCP in Beijing and drop 3-400 nuclear 30 megaton weapons on them it would be now......and then again, the US has killed over 70 million through abortions.

 

[Roudy]

How China Is Outperforming the United States in Critical Technologies​

According to the latest findings from Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s (ASPI) Critical Technology Tracker, which evaluates 64 critical technology categories across 8 domains (e.g., artificial intelligence and robotics), show that China leading in 57, while the United States leads in only 7 technology sub-categories. This is concerning because these critical technologies are the key input to advanced sectors that China is quickly overtaking.

China is outperforming the United States in several areas that directly impact everyday life (not all aspects but many), including quality of life, safety, transportation, infrastructure, and the affordability of food, among others.

While the U.S. offers higher income and wealth, China provides a lower-cost, safer, and less financially stressful living environment, narrowing the quality-of-life gap.

Cost​

Living expenses in China are significantly lower than in the U.S. The average monthly cost of living in China is around $650, compared to $2,515 in the U.S., making China approximately 74% less expensive overall. Housing in the U.S. consumes 25–35% of income, with monthly rents ranging from $1,200–$1,800, whereas in China, rents are typically $350–$700 per month. Daily expenses such as food and transportation are also cheaper in China, with transportation costs roughly 80% lower and food 50–60% less expensive.

Healthcare
Healthcare in the U.S. is costly, averaging $5,177 per household annually, and medical debt affects nearly half of adults. In contrast, China’s subsidized healthcare system costs $350–$565 per year, reducing financial stress. Education is another major difference: a four-year public university in the U.S. costs $50,000–$60,000, often leading to significant student debt, while in China, a full degree costs $3,000–$5,000.

Safety
China consistently ranks as one of the safest countries, with violent crime rates 5–10 times lower than in the U.S. and virtually no gun-related deaths. The U.S. has higher crime rates and a notable homelessness problem, contributing to stress and insecurity in daily life. Social support and community cohesion in China also contribute to a sense of security and well-being.

Income
Although U.S. households generally earn more, 60–70% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, compared to 30–40% in China, where households save more and experience less financial pressure. The average after-tax salary in China covers living expenses for 1.3 months, while in the U.S., it covers 1.8 months, reflecting higher absolute income but also higher costs.

Subjective
According to the World Happiness Report, subjective well-being and life satisfaction are influenced not only by income but also by social support, safety, and affordability. While the U.S. ranks higher in wealth and innovation, the everyday living experience in China can be less stressful due to lower costs, greater safety, and stronger social buffers.

Summary

• United States: Higher income, advanced infrastructure, diverse housing, and modern amenities, but higher costs, financial stress, and safety concerns in certain areas.
• China: Lower cost of living, safer environment, affordable healthcare and education, and less financial stress, especially in tier-two and tier-three cities.
  
  Overall, while the U.S. maintains advantages in wealth and innovation, China offers a more affordable and secure daily living experience, making the quality-of-life gap narrower than raw GDP or income figures suggest.

and what is Trump keying on?

What Trump Has Promised on China in a Second Term​

President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to take a tough stance on China in his second term.

In the new documentary China, the U.S. & the Rise of Xi Jinping, FRONTLINE traces how Trump’s first administration dealt with China, and the evolution of his tense relationship with the Chinese leader.

He is keying on
1) Tariffs
2) Crackdown on Economic Espionage
3) Restricting Chinese ownership of U.S. resources amd infrastructure

These are all "defensive" measures (meaning he considers China a dangerous foe instead of a potential ally). He is not keying on learning how to make things better for Americans and working together with China to make it happen. He is scared of China and wants to get rid of them and not learn from them.

Americans be damned. It is his ego first and foremost. Trump is a loser!

Yeah, you should move there and start working in a mass producing slave labor dildo factory where you get to try what you make.

 

[Luckyone]

Yeah, you should move there and start working in a mass producing slave labor dildo factory where you get to try what you make.

I totally understand that for individual accomplishment, China is not the place to go to. What YOU need to understand is that for most people in any nation, individual accomplishment is not a goal to go for. What is more important to them is just to live without having to face living problems, such as high prices, no affordable health care available, no everday problems in traveling, Paying bills etc.

China is a nation where everyone works for the benefit of all the rest, rather than for personal benefit.

For someone that has more knowledge and ability than others, China is not the place to be. It is not for me! But for the large part of the citizens of any nation, China is good for them!

 

[Correll]

So working hard and saving money like crazy is a dumb plan?

To the extreme you suggested, so that it becomes your whole life and ruins your life and you never have anything else?

Yes, that is very dumb.

Debatable. Getting married at 22, starting from nothing is dumb too.

Nope. Getting married EARLIER than that, used to be the norm.

YOu can save a lot of money on housing, if nothing else.

Why do you say it is stupid?