China halts export of rare earthes

[berg80]

I think it's both, some hate both America and Trump, some just hate one or the other. As you can see, the other person that quoted my post is fine with America going under, as long as Trump does as well. There's no reasoning with such stupidity.

In my experience, people who love America the most also hate trump........for all the obvious reasons.

U.S.′ inability to replace rare earths supply from China poses a threat to its defense, warns CSIS​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/us-is-unable-to-replace-rare-earths-supply-from-china-warns-csis-.html

 

[SweetTea]

Great.

They have several strings they can pull, and evidently our "leaders" don't know that.

What a shock.

They have strings. We have ropes. I can’t comprehend how so many of you are too ignorant to understand that.

 

[citygator]

 

[SweetTea]

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Funny thing is…it worked, which is why he did it. You guys are just too ignorant, and frankly, stupid, to see it.

 

[citygator]

Funny thing is…it worked, which is why he did it. You guys are just too ignorant, and frankly, stupid, to see it.

Since I am on the ground floor on this shit.. .I can tell you it is not working.

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump is closing social security offices, and requiring people appear in person to claim retirement benefits, but only after they make appointments on phone lines that are backed up for hours before you can get through.

That is for accounts that are suspected to be either going to the wrong person or the person is over 120 years old or is an illegal alien... accounts can be started and verified on line with your information and your phone number so they can send you a code...
Not everyone will have to appear but if you don't use a computer these days you can't do anything and will in some cases have to appear in person for SS...
I have not heard offices will close I will need a link on that... but if it has to happen to save social security from bankruptcy I'm all for it...

 

[berg80]

Funny thing is…it worked, which is why he did it. You guys are just too ignorant, and frankly, stupid, to see it.

The history of Dotard's tariffs during trump 1.0 is one of colossal failure.

 

[Rambunctious]

What about his cuts to medicare and medicaid.

You left that out. Which will cost republicans a ton of votes.

Cuts to waste and fraud only... no one will be cut who is receiving it.... how many times do Trump and his cabinet have to say that... wake up...

 

[meaner gene]

That is for accounts that are suspected to be either going to the wrong person or the person is over 120 years old or is an illegal alien... accounts can be started and verified on line with your information and your phone number so they can send you a code...
Not everyone will have to appear but if you don't use a computer these days you can't do anything and will in some cases have to appear in person for SS...
I have not heard offices will close I will need a link on that... but if it has to happen to save social security from bankruptcy I'm all for it...

Form SSA-1 | Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits Or Medicare | Social Security Administration

Form SSA-1 | Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits Or Medicare

www.ssa.gov

Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits

Documents You May Need To Provide

The documents we may ask for are:

your original birth certificate or other proof of birth

Important
we must see the original of most other documents, such as your birth certificate.

 

[Rambunctious]

Form SSA-1 | Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits Or Medicare | Social Security Administration

Form SSA-1 | Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits Or Medicare

www.ssa.gov

Information You Need To Apply For Retirement Benefits

Documents You May Need To Provide

The documents we may ask for are:

your original birth certificate or other proof of birth

Important
we must see the original of most other documents, such as your birth certificate.

You can apply:

• Online; or
• By calling our national toll-free service at 1-800-772-1213 (TTY 1-800-325-0778) or visiting your local Social Security office. Call ahead to make an appointment.
• If you do not live in the U.S. or one of its territories, you can also contact your nearest U.S. Social Security office, U.S. Embassy or consulate.

People without computers have to show up often for a lot of things involving secure issues...
My former mother in law is 95 and she has a computer... no excuses today for not having one...
The only people who must come in are accounts the government suspects are either dead or its fraud... what is wrong with any of that?...

 

[Flopper]

Which proves we better get our asses moving now and get our mines up and running. Stop ******* around it’s only going to get worse with these fuckers.

If it was only that easy. The Mountain Pass mine in California is the only mine that produces a significant amount of rare earths in the US. Attempts at rare earth mining in Wyoming have failed however there have been significant deposits found. Unfortunately, the rare earth deposits in the US that could be mined are the light rare earths. China controls 100% of heavy rare earths.

 

[Flopper]

Rare earths aren't that rare. They just aren't easily mined in large volumes. A lot of them can be had on the ocean floor where China is mapping and harvesting them from.

It's true rare earths are not rare. In fact they are found everywhere but deposits of them are very rare. To just captures very small amounts of these elements can require millions of tons of earth. This is why it is only practical to mine these elements in large open pit mines where there are very large deposits.

Two problems. First, that rare earth find in Wyoming was very likely overstated. From an initial 2.34 billion tons to 7.5 million tons.

American Rare Earths Find Comes up Short

The eventual extraction from Wyoming’s Halleck Creek site will be much smaller than the reported 2.34 billion tonnes.

globalaffairs.org

Second, it will take a while to get manufacturing up even if we wanted to. For the next couple of years, China has advantage in the rare earths market.

Third, the mine has be in a place that is unpopulated. The open pit mines in China are huge 4 or 5 miles across a hundred feet or more deep which has to be continuedly pumped out.

All the earth has be transported out to a processing plant which needs a large volume of running water that is used in the process of removing the elements.

The elements themselves can be very toxics and are responsible for progressive loss of nerve cells and the deterioration of brain tissue, ultimately leading to a host of neurological impairments. The pollution of ground water would make it very difficult to live or farm within a number of miles of the mine.

Best, we let the Chinese do this.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

The trade war continues as China stops export of several rare earthes globally.

China Halts Export Of Key Metals, Magnet As Trade War With US Intensifies

As the trade war between the US and China escalates, Beijing has suspended the export of several critical rare earth elements, metals and magnets, threatening to choke off supplies to the West

www.ndtv.com

Could China bring down the entire West this way?

Yes.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Either we trade we murdering China or we don' t. PICK A SIDE.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Yeah, no doubt that's a part of it. It will take years, of course, to create the requisite mining facilities and processing plants.

This isn't good. Short term this would hurt a few of our industries, like tech, green, defense, industrials.

We rape our natural resources at home until they are gone, then we set out to rape a new spot. The US is a consumer virus.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

My idea is that we need a very steep and deep mine right along the border with Mexico.
It would solve a LOT of problems.
Anyone crossing illegally is just chained up and handed a shovel.

Uh huh. What are we mining for?

 

[Flopper]

The lack of knowledge one must have to make a statement like that is astounding... what has happened to Canadians?...

USAID is the U.S. Agency for International Development, that is playing a crucial role in the U.S. government's program to limit the spread of Ebola.

Donald Trump said, he has has full faith in RFK Jr's ability to control Ebola in American so there is no need to stop EBOL in Africa.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

No pain no gain

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[Flopper]

I think they will be mining very soon. It doesn't take that long for a mining operation to get up and running. And the need for it will expedite the process. It should keep us going until the next lode is discovered.

What makes you think American's would work in these mines. The cancer rate is 1 in 7. If our undocumented immigrants are shying away from picking our crops, I doubt they will work in these mines.

The Chinese workers do it because they don't have much choice.

 

[Dekster]

It's true rare earths are not rare. In fact they are found everywhere but deposits of them are very rare. To just captures very small amounts of these elements can require millions of tons of earth. This is why it is only practical to mine these elements in large open pit mines where there are very large deposits.

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Third, the mine has be in a place that is unpopulated. The open pit mines in China are huge 4 or 5 miles across a hundred feet or more deep which has to be continuedly pumped out.

All the earth has be transported out to a processing plant which needs a large volume of running water that is used in the process of removing the elements.

The elements themselves can be very toxics and are responsible for progressive loss of nerve cells and the deterioration of brain tissue, ultimately leading to a host of neurological impairments. The pollution of ground water would make it very difficult to live or farm within a number of miles of the mine.

Best, we let the Chinese do this.

Some can be extracted from coal ash. I read somewhere Trump is planning to also start an initiative to get them from the deep sea bed the way China has been doing. It is a policy change as it requires basically the US agree to be part of an international agreement it has been avoiding joining basically treating the seas as a commons.