Cherry-picking examples of socialist governments failing does not prove the concept is flawed

[task0778]

Every economic model requires good governance to control and manage it. It does not matter what economic model you employ if the government that manages it is inept or corrupt then you will have wide disparities in income and wealth. Of all known economic models, none comes anywhere near to the ability to create wealth than capitalism, not even close. The problem is not your economic system but rather the system of government, and the too bad part is that governments are run by people and people are corruptible. If you could change our form of gov't to match that of any social democracy you care to name, let alone a socialist/communist form of gov't, you would still have the same problems except on a smaller scale because we would not have anywhere near the economic prosperity and standard of living that we have today. I know there are many out there with this wide-eyed utopian dream of equality of outcomes for all, but the reality is that it will not and cannot happen.

 

[abu afak]

How about you "cherry pick" some evidence that shows it was successful.

...Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, in fact you likely didn't watch the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else...

It's you "Pumpkin" who are unable to debate. Debate by boobtube is Not debate, it is the refuge of conspiracist and the illiterate.


Google: highest standard of living countries
highest standard of living countries - Google Search

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

More items...
These countries have the highest quality of life | World Economic ...
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/.../these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-lif.

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[task0778]

How about you "cherry pick" some evidence that shows it was successful.

...Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, in fact you likely didn't watch the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else...

Google: highest standard of living countries
highest standard of living countries - Google Search

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

More items...
These countries have the highest quality of life | World Economic ...
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/.../these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-lif.

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Feel free to leave at your convenience. Wonder how good the quality of life is in many of these European countries these days, overloaded as they are with refugees that are blowing their social welfare programs out of the water. It's a lot easier to provide a higher standard of living when you don't have to pay much for defense and you ain't got that many people compared to us.

 

[abu afak]

Feel free to leave at your convenience. Wonder how good the quality of life is in many of these European countries these days, overloaded as they are with refugees that are blowing their social welfare programs out of the water. It's a lot easier to provide a higher standard of living when you don't have to pay much for defense and you ain't got that many people compared to us.

Whether or not any or several took on too many refugees does NOT affect the issue at hand. That being whether or not a more socialistIC economy is good/better.
Deflection, but Not debate.
Un-cherry-picked Evidence now posted
"Feel Free" to pull up your pants.
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[Sun Devil 92]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

[URL='http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2018/']World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Country[/URL]

Read you link asshole.

It's got nothing to do with government.

It says people are become less trusting of government.

We have 50 countries in the U.S. and many of them would beat the shit out of any laplander country for happiness. The fact that they have to be dragged down by Califuckyou isn't their fault.

 

[Tom Horn]

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

Pump about 5 million Africans and central American refugees into these lily-white countries and see what happens to the numbers, you......racist.

 

[abu afak]

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

Pump about 5 million Africans and central American refugees into these lily-white countries and see what happens to the numbers, you......racist.[/list]

What?
Huh?
You 12 IQ asshole
AGAIN
Me: "Whether or not any or several took on too many refugees does NOT affect the issue at hand. That being whether or not a more socialistIC economy is good/better."

Now pull yo pants up Boy
I'm done with you.


EDIT to below
Note the Porked asshole Tom Horn below, who had NO FACTUAL DEBATE. (Never did)
Just the last-wording ad hom of the 12 IQ Juvenile he is.
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[Tom Horn]

Huh?
You 12 IQ asshole
AGAIN
Me: "Whether or not any or several took on too many refugees does NOT affect the issue at hand. That being whether or not a more socialistIC economy is good/better."

Now pull yo pants up now Boy
I'm done with you now.
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Check your faggotry at the door abu, before your breath smells like shoe polish.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How about you "cherry pick" some evidence that shows it was successful.

...Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, in fact you likely didn't watch the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else...

It's you "Pumpkin" who are unable to debate. Debate by boobtube is Not debate, it is the refuge of conspiracist and the illiterate.


Google: highest standard of living countries
highest standard of living countries - Google Search

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

More items...
These countries have the highest quality of life | World Economic ...
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/.../these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-lif.

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If this is so, why is it everybody is trying to come here? I mean........we offer such a low quality of living, yet we need to spend billions of dollars to keep people out. While on the subject, how many of these wonderful places have over 12 million illegals living among them? A very conservative estimate of course. I'm sure we have many more than estimated.

 

[Tom Horn]

Every economic model requires good governance to control and manage it. It does not matter what economic model you employ if the government that manages it is inept or corrupt then you will have wide disparities in income and wealth. Of all known economic models, none comes anywhere near to the ability to create wealth than capitalism, not even close. The problem is not your economic system but rather the system of government, and the too bad part is that governments are run by people and people are corruptible. If you could change our form of gov't to match that of any social democracy you care to name, let alone a socialist/communist form of gov't, you would still have the same problems except on a smaller scale because we would not have anywhere near the economic prosperity and standard of living that we have today. I know there are many out there with this wide-eyed utopian dream of equality of outcomes for all, but the reality is that it will not and cannot happen.

Let me condense your work down a little.....an oil-rich country like Venezuela can't afford toilet paper to wipe their asses. Imagine waking up and looking around for a smooth stone for your morning sitdown.

 

[Tom Horn]

EDIT to below
Note the Porked asshole Tom Horn below, who had NO FACTUAL DEBATE. (Never did)
Just the last-wording ad hom of the 12 IQ Juvenile he is.[/B]
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Note that little abu's mouth just wrote a check his ass can't cash (the gerbil ate his allowance) so now he's "funnying" me while he changes his panties.

 

[abu afak]

If this is so, why is it everybody is trying to come here? I mean........we offer such a low quality of living, yet we need to spend billions of dollars to keep people out. While on the subject, how many of these wonderful places have over 12 million illegals living among them? A very conservative estimate of course. I'm sure we have many more than estimated.

This is so Fallacious/Dumb it's funny.

"Everybody" is NOT trying to come here.
(you guys can't decide if Scandinavia/EU is taking too many immgrants or we are!)

South and Central Americans are coming here because we are the nearest Rich country, and they can Walk.
They don't have airfare to London, Copenhagen or Stockholm and probably never heard of them.

Duh

EDIT:
Note Tom Horn above, Still posts NO facts/debate just ad hom.
ZERO

 

[Pumpkin Row]

It's you "Pumpkin" who are unable to debate. Debate by boobtube is Not debate, it is the refuge of conspiracist and the illiterate.

Criticizing the source rather than the argument the reaction of someone who cannot debunk the argument. If you had no actual argument for their points or were too lazy to watch the full video or check their citations, then you could have just not replied.

Referring to something as a conspiracy is not an argument, using it as a durogatory term implies that there are no secret groups who are planning to do anything unlawful. This, of course, is debunked once one considers the fact that there are criminals who operate in groups, mafias, gangs, and the government as a whole. We're one sentence in and you've already poisoned the well, and proven yourself intellectually dishonest.

Google: highest standard of living countries
highest standard of living countries - Google Search

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

More items...
These countries have the highest quality of life | World Economic ...
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/.../these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-lif.

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Yeah, that's fantastic until you consider where they are on the Index of Economic Freedom:
Index of Economic Freedom - Wikipedia

Economic freedom apparently raises your quality of life, which is an argument against Socialism on its own, since Socialism is based entirely on theft. Just imagine how happy the citizens would be if they didn't have tax rates at or above 40%.

It's also important to note that most of those are above the US, how strange: Index of Economic Freedom - Wikipedia

It's like they're not as Socialist as you'd have us believe or something.

By the way, Denmark, and Sweden have no Minimum wage, and the "Muh Scandanavia" argument was debunked in the video you refused to watch because you're afraid of dissenting opinions.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If this is so, why is it everybody is trying to come here? I mean........we offer such a low quality of living, yet we need to spend billions of dollars to keep people out. While on the subject, how many of these wonderful places have over 12 million illegals living among them? A very conservative estimate of course. I'm sure we have many more than estimated.

This is so Fallacious/Dumb it's funny.

"Everybody" is NOT trying to come here.
(you guys can't decide if Scandinavia/EU is taking too many immgrants or we are!)

South and Central Americans are coming here because we are the nearest Rich country, and they can Walk.
They don't have airfare to London, Copenhagen or Stockholm and probably never heard of them.

Duh

EDIT:
Note Tom Horn above, Still posts NO facts/debate just ad hom.
ZERO

Given the fact that most of our illegals are Visa overstays, I challenge your assertion.

Now to the link you posted: It is rated by who has the best socialist society, not really the best standard of living. Most of what I read are quality of nutritional food (not choice) best socialist medical care, and what they consider freedom.

So what you posted is that the best standard of living is who has more socialism and government run societies. What makes us the greatest country in the world is that our government doesn't run everything.......so far, and yes, that's why everybody wants to come here. The funny thing is (according to your link) Canada is a large country. Canada has one-tenth of the population of the US.

If you are a person of superior intelligence, a person who wants to be rewarded for their investment and accomplishments, you don't go to a socialist country. You come to the United States where your work and investments are rewarded proportionately.

 

[abu afak]

Criticizing the source rather than the argument the reaction of someone who cannot debunk the argument. If you had no actual argument for their points or were too lazy to watch the full video or check their citations, then you could have just not replied.

If you have the brains and wherewithal you should EXCERPT the passage from the youtube, and I would be glad to debate it.
Otherwise, it's like saying "Read a book I agree with, and refute it"
Understand Purple snowflake?

Referring to something as a conspiracy is not an argument, using it as a durogatory ...

Dictionary honey.
That's what you get for watching youtubes and never reading.
DUHrogatory.

Google: highest standard of living countries
highest standard of living countries - Google Search

FIRST ENTRY. Not even "Cherry picked"

You can see the 10 countries with the highest quality of life below.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the higheststandard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

More items...
These countries have the highest quality of life | World Economic ...
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/.../these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-lif.

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Yeah, that's fantastic until you consider where they are on the Index of Economic Freedom:
Index of Economic Freedom - Wikipedia
Economic freedom apparently raises your quality of life, which is an argument against Socialism on its own, since Socialism is based entirely on theft. Just imagine how happy the citizens would be if they didn't have tax rates at or above 40%.
It's also important to note that most of those are above the US, how strange: Index of Economic Freedom - Wikipedia
It's like they're not as Socialist as you'd have us believe or something.

We were talking about the success or failure of "Soclialist", more "SocialistIC" countries, and the OP pointing out you clowns always pick out garbage like Venezuela or Cuba, etc. when that is NOT representative or the rule. He IS/WAS correct.
That Game is OVER.

And These Scando/EU (Japanese) countries have Freely CHOSEN their economic systems.

In fact, all 30 of the developed nations/OECD is more SocialstIC than we are.
and even on YOUR list of Eco-Freedom the USA is 18th, and most of the top 10 highest standard of living countries are ahead of it there too!
LOL

BTW, Singapore is Economically free (and doing great as the doorway to China) but a Dictatorship and Semi-police state with strict laws and no dissent.
You would not want to live there in "economic freedom".. with your mouth shut.
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[abu afak]

Given the fact that most of our illegals are Visa overstays, I challenge your assertion.
...

That's NOT a challenge to my assertion as to why People bordering us to the South come here, and Not a rebuttal to the fact "Everybody" doesn't.
They usually go to the nearest rich Western country, as the FLOOD of M-Eers and N Africans have to Europe... Some then move further North.

That was the whole ball of wax you had egregiously/Laughably Wrong.
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[Pumpkin Row]

If you have the barins wherewithal you should EXCERPT the passage from the youtube,and I would be gald to debate it.
Otherwise, it's like saying "Read a book I agree with and refute it"
Understand snowflake?

Actually, reading a book takes significantly longer than watching a 10-20 minute video, what you're afraid of is hearing a dissenting opinion, with citations provided. You're just afraid of hearing all of your arguments shredded, becauseyou wouldn't be a Socialist if you did proper research.

That;'s what you get for watching youtubes and never reading.
DUHrogatory

Making fun of my spelling is not an argument, and as a matter of fact, I probably read more than you do. In fact, you just complained about sending a person a video supposedly being like telling a person to read a book, and if you truly feel that way, then it's not as though reading a book would be your preference, since you'd complain if I told you to read it.

We were talking about the success or failure of "Soclialist", more "SocialistIC" countries, and the OP pointing out you clowns always pick out garabge like Venezuela or Cuba, etc. when that is NOT reperesentative or the rule. He IS/WAS correct.

He's wrong, actually, since more Socialism means less Economic Freedom, as we've seen through history around the world. I was showing you the Index of Economic Freedom to show you that they're not as Socialist as you claim they are. This, of course, flew right over your head.

These Scando/EU (Japanese) countries have Freely CHOSEN their systems

False. There's no such thing as freely choosing a system, as even if it's voted for, it's simply a majority oppressing a minority, and even if it's supposedly uninamus, the government is the entity which counts the votes, and has a monopoly on arbitration, in which case they are the rulers. An entity which decides what the people can and cannot do is not serving the people, you cannot have it both ways.

In fact, all 30 of the developed nations/OECD is more SocialstIC than we are.
and even on YOUR list of Eco-Freedon the USA is 18th, and most of the top 10 highest stand of living countries are ahesd of it there too!

You'll have to define what Socialistic is, because it seems like you're basing it entirely on whether they have a terrible Healthcare system or not, which isn't inherently the deciding factor of a Socialist system. The Index of Economic Freedom measures the amount of free association a Nation is allowed, while Socialism is defined by collective control of the means of production, making Free Association and Socialist policy complete opposites. My linking of the Index of Economic Freedom is to show you that America does, in fact, allow less free association than what you claim to be Socialist Nations, showing that America is more Socialist.

BTW, Singapore is Economically free (and doing great as the doorway to China) but a Dictatorship and Semi-police state with strict laws and no dissent.
You would not want to live there in "economic freedom".. with your mouth shut.

Considering I would prefer no government at all, this is a moot point, as that would mean NO regulations on anything. Then again, you could be attempting to argue that free association has nothing to do with the happiness of the populace, but then you'd have to tell me how happy you are when buying from Monopolies.


^He explains it best, but I'm only posting this because I know you'll refuse to watch it, since it kills your entire argument.

 

[abu afak]

Actually, reading a book takes significantly longer than watching a 10-20 minute video, what you're afraid of is hearing a dissenting opinion, with citations provided. You're just afraid of hearing all of your arguments shredded, becauseyou wouldn't be a Socialist if you did proper research.

Yes but no one knows precisely what argument you want to make, and if you don't have the brains to excerpt, there is no debate.
I also did NOT suggest book, but castigated that idea as well because and AGAIN....
it's like saying "Read X book, and refute it"...
INSTEAD of excerpting the poignant passage so it CAN be debated.

You do not have the IQ to do so or understand why it is necessary

We were talking about the success or failure of "Soclialist", more "SocialistIC" countries, and the OP pointing out you clowns always pick out garabge like Venezuela or Cuba, etc. when that is NOT reperesentative or the rule. He IS/WAS correct.

He's wrong, actually, since more Socialism means less Economic Freedom, as we've seen through history around the world. I was showing you the Index of Economic Freedom to show you that they're not as Socialist as you claim they are. This, of course, flew right over your head.

The numbers are up dear
You LOST

These Scando/EU (Japanese) countries have Freely CHOSEN their systems

False. There's no such thing as freely choosing a system, as even if it's voted for, it's simply a majority oppressing a minority, and even if it's supposedly uninamus, the government is the entity which counts the votes, and has a monopoly on arbitration, in which case they are the rulers. An entity which decides what the people can and cannot do is not serving the people, you cannot have it both ways.

LOL goofy, they are ALL Democracies and do choose and tweak their systems regularly. They are free to reverse any socialistic policies. Nationalized Healthcare they ALL have, etc

You're being Dishonest mixing, matching and Misrepresenting

In fact, all 30 of the developed nations/OECD is more SocialstIC than we are.
and even on YOUR list of Eco-Freedon the USA is 18th, and most of the top 10 highest stand of living countries are ahesd of it there too!

BTW, Singapore is Economically free (and doing great as the doorway to China) but a Dictatorship and Semi-police state with strict laws and no dissent.
You would not want to live there in "economic freedom".. with your mouth shut.

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^He explains it best, but I'm only posting this because I know you'll refuse to watch it, since it kills your entire argument.

Well again...
YOU have to be able to excerpt and express the the most poignant parts. One can't debate a youtube NOR a 400 page book.
You need to understand that and speak English.

The problem here is you are Not economically literate (thus your stance), and a weak and disingenuous 'debater.'
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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

Who is cherry picking, dumb ass? No socialist country has ever succeeded. The Nordic nations are not socialist, they are capitalist.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes but no one knows precisely what argument you want to make, and if you don't have the brains to excerpt, there is no debate.
I also did NOT suggest book, but castigated that idea as well because and AGAIN....
it's like saying "Read X book, and refute it"...
INSTEAD of excerpting the poignant passage so it CAN be debated.

You do not have the IQ to do so or understand why it is necessary

Unless, of course, the entire video is on topic and they explain the same thing clearly and concisely, in which case you should be fine with watching it. It's not as though I'm linking an entire documentary. You just don't want to watch it because it refutes your argument.

The numbers are up dear
You LOST

Simply proclaiming your victory is not an argument, and neither is posting a list which claims places are happier while you say "These are Socialist" without explaining what it is you believe makes them 'more' or 'less' Socialist.

LOL goofy, they are ALL Democracies and do choose and tweak their systems regularly. They are free to reverse any socialistic policies. Nationalized Healthcare they ALL have, etc

You're being Dishonest mixing, matching and Misrepresenting

I'm not misrepresenting at all. The government is allowed to steal your money, decide what you can and can't do, kidnap you if you break their arbitrary rules, and murder you if they so desire. Considering these rules are THEIR decision and are imposed on the populace by THEM, which part of this means the government is at the service of the populace? Hell, the government can even fake the voting results, THEY count the votes.

Even ignoring all of this, and foolishly assuming that the government does as the majority says, there's no way to opt out and the majority is still oppressing the minority.

Well again...
YOU have to be able to excerpt and express the the most poignant parts. One can't debate a youtube NOR a 400 page book.
You need to understand that and speak English.

I just thought I'd be nice and screenshot the massive section of my post you skipped over due to having no argument against it: Screenshot

Furthermore, most of the video is regarding Socialism and economic freedom, which I briefly went over in the part of my post that you conveniently skipped over.

I'd also like to point out that your failure to bother doing 13 minutes of research(Which is not a 400 page book, nor equivelant to one) is likely why you're a Socialist.

The problem here is you are Not economically literate (thus your stance), and a weak and disingenuous 'debater.'
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The guy who is advocating for a system which ignores the basics of economics and has failed numerous times world wide is calling someone else an economic illiterate. Your lack os self-awareness is hilarious, as is your inability to debate without adhominems.