Chemistry Expert: Carbon Dioxide Can’t Cause Global Warming

[mamooth]

Rock isn't water you ignorant ****

Westwall's world:

Incoming radiation can't warm water, because it barely penetrates

Incoming radiation does warm a rock, even though it barely penetrates.

Cultists don't need no stinkin' consistent standards. Reality is whatever they want it to be at any given instant. They warp reality by sheer force of their mighty will.

And that's why the whole planet keeps laughing at them, hard.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Incoming radiation can't warm water, because it barely penetrates

Incoming radiation does warm a rock, even though it barely penetrates.

Water take 3,000 times more energy to warm than does solid mass.. You don't know basic physics or are intentionally deceptive. Take your "cult" crap and shove it up your ass.. Your the one in a cult believing fairytales..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Last time we went over this was a year ago, so let's go over it again.

This is the temperature profile of most spots in the ocean. Note that the vertical scale is sort of logarithmic.

The bulk of solar energy penetrates deeply and warms the water. Convection causes warmer water to rise, so the ocean temperature gets higher as you get shallower.

However, that trend reverses at the skin layer. The atmosphere is usually colder than the ocean below, so the ocean at the surface loses heat to the cooler atmosphere. That lowers the temperature of the surface.

The amount of heat flowing out the oceans (from both conduction and evaporation) depends on the delta-T across that skin layer. Heat conducts from hot to cold, linearly proportionally to the temperature difference. With more of a temperature gradient, more heat flows out of the oceans. With less of a gradient, less heat flows out.

Enter the additional longwave IR radiation. It heats the skin layer, decreasing the delta-T across the skin layer. That means less heat flows out of the oceans. The IR doesn't heat the deeper ocean directly. It reduces the heat flow out of the deeper ocean, so more heat stays in the deeper ocean, so the IR indirectly warms the deeper ocean.

BWHAAAAAAAA

UV is 0.2 um wave length....

IR is above 10.0 um wave length.

The CO2 IR window is 12-16 um... and can not heat the ocean.

UV penetrates to depth. IR does not.

Again your own post discredits your fantasies... Now that is priceless...

 

[mamooth]

UV penetrates to depth. IR does not.

So freakin' what, dumbass? The IR still penetrates, so it warms what it penetrates. Conservation of energy holds, regardless of how much that triggers cult morons.

Sweet Jeebus, you're one stupid fraud.

 

[mamooth]

Water take 3,000 times more energy to warm than does solid mass..

Sweet Jeebus, you're one stupid fraud.

Heat capacity of water:
4.18 J/g*C

Heat capacity of granite:
0.79 J/g*C

It's a factor of 5, not a factor of 3000

Is there any aspect of science that you don't get laughably wrong? Even one, anywhere?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sweet Jeebus, you're one stupid fraud.

Heat capacity of water:
4.18 J/g*C

Heat capacity of granite:
0.79 J/g*C

It's a factor of 5, not a factor of 3000

Is there any aspect of science that you don't get laughably wrong? Even one, anywhere?

Water vs. Air : Heat Absorption/Capacity

"So would that mean that the amount of times more volumetric heat capacity water has compared to air would be 784.31 x 4.23 = 3317.63? Are my numbers even right?

Your numbers are (approximately) right (there is no use to be so precise, about air density for example, since it varies with temperature etc.), and your thought is right, too."

 

[mamooth]

Water vs. Air : Heat Absorption/Capacity

Given that we've already pointed out, over and over, that the air does _not_ warm the water, why did you think that fact was important?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Sweet Jeebus, you're one stupid fraud.

Heat capacity of water:
4.18 J/g*C

Heat capacity of granite:
0.79 J/g*C

It's a factor of 5, not a factor of 3000

Is there any aspect of science that you don't get laughably wrong? Even one, anywhere?

IT is useless to correct you... You believe because you have been told to..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Given that we've already pointed out, over and over, that the air does _not_ warm the water, why did you think that fact was important?

Air and IR do not warm water... LOL Keep the cult faith...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sweet Jeebus, you're one stupid fraud.

Heat capacity of water:
4.18 J/g*C

Heat capacity of granite:
0.79 J/g*C

It's a factor of 5, not a factor of 3000

Is there any aspect of science that you don't get laughably wrong? Even one, anywhere?

So assuming your incorrect assumptions are correct, how does atmospheric CO2 heat the ocean???

You'd have to have 5 times (your number) the atmospheric heat, right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Given that we've already pointed out, over and over, that the air does _not_ warm the water, why did you think that fact was important?

So the CO2 generated heat bypasses the atmosphere and heats the water directly? Amazing!

 

[mamooth]

So the CO2 generated heat bypasses the atmosphere and heats the water directly? Amazing!

Post #44, dumbass.

You're not even reading the other posts here. That means you're just a pissy cult troll. You're so proud of keeping yourself ignorant, and of the way you throw tantrums whenever the adults talk.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Post #44, dumbass.

You're not even reading the other posts here. That means you're just a pissy cult troll. You're so proud of keeping yourself ignorant, and of the way you throw tantrums whenever the adults talk.

South Pole Sees Coldest Season Ever Recorded

"Your "explanations" are always hilarious!

They also fall into one of the following categories: i) You're stupid (because you don't have an answer), ii) I already answered that (you never answered, see #i) and iii) we have consensus! (consensus is a Cult word, not a scientific term)

Thanks for the non-stop laughs"

That's a solid ii right there!

The heat bypasses heating the atmosphere.

 

[Old Rocks]

Water vs. Air : Heat Absorption/Capacity

"So would that mean that the amount of times more volumetric heat capacity water has compared to air would be 784.31 x 4.23 = 3317.63? Are my numbers even right?

Your numbers are (approximately) right (there is no use to be so precise, about air density for example, since it varies with temperature etc.), and your thought is right, too."

Frankie boi, once more you demonstrate your stupidity.

Billy_Bob said:
Water take 3,000 times more energy to warm than does solid mass..

Billy Boob said a solid mass takes 3000 more times more energy to warm than does a solid mass. Mamooth showed how incorrect that was simply using granite.

 

[ding]

It's all moot because in 30 years man made global warming will be proven wrong by colder temperatures.

 

[Crick]

Isn't it astounding that deniers here will bring up some misunderstood point they heard in a 7th grade physical science class and think they've uncovered some great mystery that's eluded thousands of PhD scientists from around the planet. Can you find a clearer example of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

 

[ding]

Isn't it astounding that deniers here will bring up some misunderstood point they heard in a 7th grade physical science class and think they've uncovered some great mystery that's eluded thousands of PhD scientists from around the planet. Can you find a clearer example of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

Yes, because that's not really an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. They would actually have to make the claim that they were smarter and others were dumber. Differences of opinions are just differences of opinions.

 

[ReinyDays]

It's all moot because in 30 years man made global warming will be proven wrong by colder temperatures.

That's not how pseudo-science works ...

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, because that's not really an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. They would actually have to make the claim that they were smarter and others were dumber. Differences of opinions are just differences of opinions.

LOL When you say a known ratio of latent heat of water to other things is one number, and it is ridiculously wrong, that is not a difference of opinion, that is proof that you are one dumb ass.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I'm not going to use numbers, just keep in mind that the astronomy parts of this tend to use astronomical numbers ...

We get energy from the Sun, and the Earth radiates energy back out into space, in a perfect world this would be joule for joule ... unfortunately, the atmosphere isn't transparent at the wavelengths of light that the Earth radiates at ... mostly due to the presence of water vapor and carbon dioxide ... so some small sliver of this energy flow remains in the atmosphere raising it's temperature ...

Now when the atmosphere's temperature rises, the sea surface will start drawing the energy out and adding to it's own temperature ... until the temperatures are the same again ... and as you pointed out, it takes A LOT of energy to raise the temperature of water ... the good news is that the higher temperatures make the sea surface more buoyant, so the extra energy stays at the surface ... until it conducts down the water column, that takes time ...

I think it's better to look at this in terms of power ... joules per second ... any amount of energy can be had given enough time ... and if all we're talking about is a couple degrees over a hundred years, then our power need not be all that great ... remember we're just heating the ocean surface, so it's easier to keep the atmosphere heated ...

Carbon dioxide doesn't heat the ocean directly, it heats the atmosphere which in turn heats the ocean ...

No babe...half truth. WATER VAPOR is the major green house gas---it is the only one in large enough quanties to warm anything. Your mentioning of CO2 is meaningless---its a tiny greenhouse gas that isn't available in large enough quantities to do shit. Historical record found in ice core samples, prove this. Co2 in the atmosphere is a LAGGING indicator of a warmer cycle usually---(due to ice and perma frost melting releasing it into the atmosphere which occurs by the end of a warming cycle.) However, even with all the extra CO2 released---the earth then usually cools down for a cold cycle as it is prone to do.