Character???

[eagle1462010]

Yawn..........

Passing Judgement on anyone who opposes the left, even after stating we condemn those on the GOP for wrong doing....................

Typical BS Leftist thread.

I did not pass judgement on radell. A Washington, D. C. court passed judgement and found him guilty. The fact he is a republican should not matter one bit.

And so you attempt to use the straw man argument to group everyone together saying over and over again we didn't answer it.

Again, If you are too stupid to understand the intent of the answers then I simply don't know how to fix stupid.

 

[ron4342]

Democrats voted for a cocaine and pot addict for President, they're very forgiving.

If he worked for me in the private sector, I'd fire his ass.

I'm sure the House has rules for this, let them handle it.

Republicans voted for a cocaine addict and alcoholic for President; they're very forgiving. If he worked in the private sector, Lumpy would fire his ass, except that he is a Republican, so he wouldn't, of course.

Why do Democrats think they can speak for others?

Btw Obama said he did coke and pot...

Bush did not and most college students drink a bit.., sooo where's your proof/link..

Here's my link on Obama..Obama's Admitted Cocaine Use - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime

DEFLECTION: I am speaking for no one. I am asking a question which you seem unable or unwilling to answer.

 

[eagle1462010]

Avoidance...............

Is what Ron is performing as he doesn't get the message sent load and clear to him on this board......................

Attempting to say we don't stand up to our own when they do wrong.....................

Quite frankly, Ron would see the truth if it reached out and bit him in the ass.............

eagle, I have not seen you agreement that radell should resign. I have seen this.
"I guess in the fairy tale logic of Liberals this would be the case........................

Do the crime...................

Do the time.................

I could care less their political background on this................."
eagle.
I will consider this a reluctant "Yes."
Oh, and we are not taking "fairy tales" here. We are discussing the behavior of a leader of this country who has committed an illegal act while in office. To me it makes no difference if he is a Democrat or Republican. As a leader of the country I expect him to be an example. If he/she is willing to lie and commit illegal acts they do not deserve to be in office. How can you trust someone to look out for your interests if they are a criminal?
Oh, and one other thing, if this thread is so bad and if ron is so stupid why don't you get the fu#k out of here and post your brilliance elsewhere.

"As a leader of this country I expect him to be an example.". So, I haven't sen your denunciation of Obama and his cronies yet. Or do you just have lower standards and expectations for Democrats?

Specifically violating the Constitution by enforcing and obeying the laws..........Even the ones he helped to create...............

Is the LIAR N CHIEF immune from the law, and or do we now elect kings that can pick and choose which laws to obey......................

 

[gallantwarrior]

Obama is not doing drugs. What absolute nonsense you people express. I guess you believe if you say it enough times, it makes it true. Absolutely ludicrous you all are. Whatever Obama may have done as a young man, it is not as bad as what GW Bush did: he did cocaine and he was an alcoholic. You didn't demand he resign for what he did before he was president. You didn't ridicule him and try to paint him as a druggie. Yet his substance abuse was actually a problem that affected his life and needed treatment. Hypocrites.

Obama did coke too. so get off your high horse.

So, you are equating what a college student did 30 years ago to the actions of a sitting congressman today! Now, I know it makes perfect sense to you but if you want to arrest all the members of congress who committed illegal acts while in college you will probably have to arrest 90% of the legislators.

And yet you side insists on throwing what Bush did in college (even longer ago) as some kind of defense for your lying messiah.

 

[ron4342]

Moral equivalency is a modern ethical escape route. You'll see it every time a republican, conservative, libertarian, or other assorted politico gets caught. It is comparable to the child's, 'but Joanne did it too.' Ask any school teacher for examples. That RWLCLCRTPFMW* use it merely demonstrates their immaturity. Consider only that this man voted to have welfare participants drug tested and you soon realize you have entered a world where morality does not exist on a level above a five year old.

* Right Wing Libertarian Cheap Labor Conservative Republican Tea Party Free Market Wingnut

Obama was a coke head

still is

Your proof that he still is a "coke head" is...... Oh, and when you provide that proof would you please provide your proof he was born in Kenya.

 

[ron4342]

Monday, Oct 18, 1999 01:10 PM +0300
Book: Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972
Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims the Republican front-runner did community service at a Houston center.
Salon Staff

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A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged with help from his family’s political connections. In an afterword to his book “Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President” (St. Martin’s), Hatfield says he took a second look at the Bush cocaine allegations after a story in Salon reporting allegations that Bush did community service for the crime at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston’s Third Ward.

The center’s executive director, Madgelean Bush (no relation to George W. Bush), had told Salon News and others that Bush did not do community service there, and the Bush campaign likewise denied the allegation. But the Texas governor had admitted to working at Houston’s Project P.U.L.L. in 1972, and Hatfield says he began to wonder if that was actually the community service sentence. Hatfield says he confirmed those suspicions with three sources close to the Bush family he had cultivated while writing his biography, which publishes Wednesday.

Bush’s campaign denied Hatfield’s allegation Monday.

By contrast, “First Son: George W. Bush and the Family Dynasty,” by Dallas Morning News reporter Bill Minutaglio, says George Bush Sr. referred his son to Project P.U.L.L. after an incident in which George W. drove drunk with his younger brother Marvin in the car.

But Hatfield quotes “a high-ranking advisor to Bush” who confirmed that Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in Houston in 1972, and had the record expunged by a judge who was “a fellow Republican and elected official” who helped Bush get off “with a little community service at a minority youth center instead of having to pick cotton on a Texas prison farm.”

Hatfield quotes a former Yale classmate who told him: “George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father’s connections, the entire record was expunged by a state judge whom the older Bush helped get elected. It was one of those ‘behind closed doors in the judges’ chambers’ kind of thing between the old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a favor … There’s only a handful of us that know the truth.”

Book: Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972 - Salon.com

It takes a lot of 'character' to lie and hide and deny, and get Daddy to have his friends wipe out your crimes. Yes, there's a man of great character. Not only that, but his wife is a freaking murderer who also had her daddy get his friends to wipe out her crime. What a pair of high 'character' individuals you guys worship.

Claiming isn't proof and hearsay is merely bullshitting... get real Esmeralda..

Many have claimed without a doubt that Obama sucked their weeny but they don't have the "Blue Dress", should I believe it..?

DEFLECTION! This thread is about a congressman who has been tried and convicted of purchasing and using cocaine. It is not about Obama or any other person. Be that as it may, get back to me with Obama's arrest record.

 

[eagle1462010]

Book: Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972 - Salon.com

It takes a lot of 'character' to lie and hide and deny, and get Daddy to have his friends wipe out your crimes. Yes, there's a man of great character. Not only that, but his wife is a freaking murderer who also had her daddy get his friends to wipe out her crime. What a pair of high 'character' individuals you guys worship.

Claiming isn't proof and hearsay is merely bullshitting... get real Esmeralda..

Many have claimed without a doubt that Obama sucked their weeny but they don't have the "Blue Dress", should I believe it..?

DEFLECTION! This thread is about a congressman who has been tried and convicted of purchasing and using cocaine. It is not about Obama or any other person. Be that as it may, get back to me with Obama's arrest record.

In other words OBEY.......................

Get lost

 

[eagle1462010]

BTW

That isn't your dang OP..........................

Nice try sparky..............

 

[ron4342]

Character

1.the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing.

2. one such feature or trait; characteristic.
3. moral or ethical quality: a man of fine, honorable character.

4. qualities of honesty, courage, or the like; integrity: It takes character to face up to a bully.

5. reputation: a stain on one's character.

This OP is supposed to be about Character..................

Honesty, Integrity, and so on.......................

Under that yoke............................

How do you grade Obama and all of his Lies............................

You are concerned with CHARACTER aren't you............We have proven his Lies and Broken Promises many times...............

So, Liberal Horde, step up to the plate and take a swing at the Character of you glorified one.........

DEFLECTION! This thread is about a congressman who has been tried and convicted of purchasing and using cocaine. It is not about Obama or any other person. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT OBAMA. Can you not understand a simple statement? I cannot make it any clearer.

 

[ron4342]

I don't know. Perhaps because we thought you on the left were literate and read our responses is in the other half a dozen threads on the topic. So we decided to comment on the complete hypocrisy of the OP who will not call for Obama to resign for doing the same exact thing he wants Radell to resign for.

See we dont have a problem with both leaving office.

Obama is not doing drugs. What absolute nonsense you people express. I guess you believe if you say it enough times, it makes it true. Absolutely ludicrous you all are. Whatever Obama may have done as a young man, it is not as bad as what GW Bush did: he did cocaine and he was an alcoholic. You didn't demand he resign for what he did before he was president. You didn't ridicule him and try to paint him as a druggie. Yet his substance abuse was actually a problem that affected his life and needed treatment. Hypocrites.

Im expressing nonsense because I am pointing out that Obama himself as has admitting using cocaine? Is there any reason I should disbelieve the President's own account of drug use?

I am not demanding the President resign because of drug use. I am pointing out that you are complete hypocrites for demanding radell to leave office when Obama has admitted to exact crime.

So, you are equating what a college student did 30 years ago to the actions of a sitting congressman today! You are comparing apples to hubcaps.

 

[eagle1462010]

Character

1.the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing.

2. one such feature or trait; characteristic.
3. moral or ethical quality: a man of fine, honorable character.

4. qualities of honesty, courage, or the like; integrity: It takes character to face up to a bully.

5. reputation: a stain on one's character.

This OP is supposed to be about Character..................

Honesty, Integrity, and so on.......................

Under that yoke............................

How do you grade Obama and all of his Lies............................

You are concerned with CHARACTER aren't you............We have proven his Lies and Broken Promises many times...............

So, Liberal Horde, step up to the plate and take a swing at the Character of you glorified one.........

DEFLECTION! This thread is about a congressman who has been tried and convicted of purchasing and using cocaine. It is not about Obama or any other person. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT OBAMA. Can you not understand a simple statement? I cannot make it any clearer.

LOL

Did I misread the title or something..................

 

[ron4342]

I'm a Republican. I'm for family values, morality, and character. I'm also for doing research to not look foolish before I say something.

If you had, you'd notice about half a dozen threads on Radell. All of which have conservatives saying he should resign.

But, of course, you didn't bother doing five minutes of research before presuming conservatives on this board are hypocrites. I wonder if you will even acknowledge that we have said anything after you read this.

BTW have we figured out who we are going to have primary Trey if he doesn't step down?

Well done avatar. Well done. However you have avoided answering the question: Should a republican congressman caught and convicted of using cocaine resign? A simple yes or no answer is what is called for.

So you are illiterate then. Im not really sure how saying he should leave office is at all unclear or how it is a non-answer to your question.

But I do understand that my answer doesn't fit with your propaganda point so I am not at all surprised you are ignoring it. In fact, I even pointed out that you would have this exact response.

Stop being a hypocrite.

I do not believe that I ever saw an acknowledgement from you that radell should resign. If I missed it I apologize. To be clear, should radell resign?
Oh, and please explain how asking a simple question makes me a hypocrite. If I condemned radell and then gave a pass to a Democrat who did same crime you could make a case for me being a hypocrite. Such is not the case.

 

[eagle1462010]

Well done avatar. Well done. However you have avoided answering the question: Should a republican congressman caught and convicted of using cocaine resign? A simple yes or no answer is what is called for.

So you are illiterate then. Im not really sure how saying he should leave office is at all unclear or how it is a non-answer to your question.

But I do understand that my answer doesn't fit with your propaganda point so I am not at all surprised you are ignoring it. In fact, I even pointed out that you would have this exact response.

Stop being a hypocrite.

I do not believe that I ever saw an acknowledgement from you that radell should resign. If I missed it I apologize. To be clear, should radell resign?
Oh, and please explain how asking a simple question makes me a hypocrite. If I condemned radell and then gave a pass to a Democrat who did same crime you could make a case for me being a hypocrite. Such is not the case.

If your panties are in such a wad over it, then start a dang poll..................

But if you expect me to believe that is the real op, then I have some Ocean Front Property in Arizona to sell you.

 

[ron4342]

Doesn't matter. Conservatives don't have a problem with calling for Radell to resign. Meanwhile Democrats seem to think he should go while they knowingly elect a man who committed the same exact crime to high office.

Who exactly is being hypocritical here?

First of all, I do not see any republicans calling for radell to resign. I may have missed if. If I did, please enlighten me.
Second, that said what Obama did or did not do is not a question here. You are using the grade school defense of "He started it." The question remains, should a congressman who is caught purchasing and using illegal drugs resign? It is a simple question.

Are you really so obstinent that you can't recognize you own freaking hypocrisy? Obama is relevant because you are trying to accuse people of hypocrites who fully support Radell leaving office while you actually are a hypocrite for insisting he leave and defending someone who admitted to the same crime.

Your outrage is one sided. Not surprising because you are partisan hack. I never said or even implied "He started it". Why? Because im not defending Radell. It's obvious he should resign. I am just pointing out your faux outrage at demanding he resign for doing the same exact crime that the President you elected twice freely admitted to comitting and then saying we are the hypocrites.

I will take that as a "yes," he should resign as should any congressman who commits a crime whether they be Democrat or Republican.

 

[Drumhead]

Republicans are always speaking of family values, morality, and character. Now we have a republican congressman, trey radell, busted on cocaine possession and cocaine use. If radell had been a Democrat the conservatives would be calling for his resignation at the top of their lungs. It will be interesting to see if any of the cons on this board call for him to step down. It will be my guess that the conservatives on this board will be more than happy to give him a pass on his drug use. After all, according to them it is only Democrats who would behave in that manner. So come-on all you upstanding conservatives surprise me and show your outrage and call for radell to step down. Failure to do so would be hypocritical.

Just some casual observations here.

You, and others to be honest, have stated several times throughout this thread that you are looking for a simple yes or no answer to the question. I do not see a question above. But since you changed this from a statement to a question further down in the thread, I will give you my answer to the question of Trey Radel being held accountable for his actions...

Yes.

I will also follow that up by stating, as others have here, that he should be prosecuted for the laws he has violated.

I also have to say that when others here have used more than 1 syllable to answer your question, which is the answer you challenge would not happen, you ignore it. So I am left to think the whole point of this was to do nothing more than start yet another posturing thread between Republicans and Democrats.

Further, using what someone else has done as a measuring stick for how someone should be judged legally leads me to believe nobody would ever be found guilty. And everyone has their own stance on what is right or wrong. Hence why there are laws, to be used as that measuring stick. It seems all this was about Trey Radel, not Bush or Obama. I would prosecute Trey Radel on what the law states, not what Bush or Obama have done.

 

[ron4342]

If radell had been a Democrat the conservatives would be calling for his resignation at the top of their lungs. It will be interesting to see if any of the cons on this board call for him to step down.

First of all, we conservatives can spell his name correctly, and secondly, you must not have seen my post where I called for Trey Radel to step down and then go to jail for breaking the law.

You should learn not to generalize.

May you make a good day....

If I missed your statement that he should step down and do jail time, I apologize. Sorry!!!
Oh, and thank you for correcting my spelling.
Have two good days! (I got tired of handing out good days one at a time. Sometimes I give people a whole week.)

 

[ron4342]

Why does this even need to be a partisan issue?

You are absolutely right, Unkotare. The important facts should be that he committed a crime and that he is a member of Congress. Whether he is Democat or Republican should have no bearing on the decision. However, I wanted to see if the republicans on this board could take that same position. Several of them have and I respect them for their honesty. Several of them cannot pull the trigger and condemn a republican who committed a crime. What I get from these people is DEFLECTION, AVOIDENCE, and Obama did it too. Thanks again for your question.

 

[ron4342]

So you are calling for President Obama's resignation? After all he has freely admittted doing the same exact crime. Somehow I don't believe you.

AVOIDENCE.
What Obama did or did not do is not a question here. What is at question is "Should a congressman who has been caught and convicted of illegal activity (purchasing and using illegal drugs) resign? It is a simple question.

I agree. You are complete avoiding the question because you realize you are holding a double standard.

Your question is asked has been answered multiple times. It's about time you start answering the questions of others. Or are you hypocrite on that front too?

I apologized to you on an earlier post.

 

[ron4342]

AVOIDENCE: You did not answer whether you would condemn the person. Should a congressman who was caught and convicted of using illegal drugs resign? And yes, yes, I know you would condemn a Democrat for doing the same thing, but can you condemn a republican?

Are you Insane.................

I did that very thing with my post..................

And still you stick to your pointless op.

He cant admit you or anyone has answered his questions. He would have to admit his premise was false. That would mean he was wrong. he isn't going to do that.

But he has absolutely no problem defending Obama for the same crime he wants Radell condemned for. Apparently, when Radell commits the crime of possession it's a huge character flaw. When Obama does it, it's no big deal.

The difference? One is Republican the other is Democrat.

Wrong. I have acknowledged that several conservatives have called for radel to step down. In some cases I missed the intent of their post. I have apologized to several people for my error. In fact, in an earlier post I believe I apologized to you for my error.
Now, as for defending Obama I do not believe I have done so. I have pointed out that to the best of our knowledge that Obama engaged in illegal activity while in college. But I also pointed out that comparing what a person did 30 years ago to the illegal actions of a sitting congressman today is an apples to hubcaps comparison. If we were to ask every member of congress to step down if they had committed an illegal act 30 to 40 years we would probably be able to count the remaining members of congress on our fingers and toes.

 

[ron4342]

Republicans are always speaking of family values, morality, and character. Now we have a republican congressman, trey radell, busted on cocaine possession and cocaine use. If radell had been a Democrat the conservatives would be calling for his resignation at the top of their lungs. It will be interesting to see if any of the cons on this board call for him to step down. It will be my guess that the conservatives on this board will be more than happy to give him a pass on his drug use. After all, according to them it is only Democrats who would behave in that manner. So come-on all you upstanding conservatives surprise me and show your outrage and call for radell to step down. Failure to do so would be hypocritical.

As soon as the Democrats call for the resignation of Obama for stealing the 2012 election by knowingly lying and making false promises, which affect the entire nation, Republicans WILL call for the recall of Congressman Radell, whose indiscretion affects only his constituents.

Don't forget using his brownshirt Gestapo, the IRS, to threaten, intimidate, obstruct, and otherwise impede the opposition attempts to coordinate.

Please: Stealing elections, brownshirt gestapo and the IRS????. Perhaps we are living in different countries.