CDZ Chaos By the Bay

[ESay]

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

Homeless druggies NEVER have large amounts on them. Neither do the dealers. The laws in SF and Seattle make it impossible for police to arrest someone for small amounts. This is how these people keep from being taken to jail and forced to detox.
And more importantly, it's what helps keep the supply of these drugs running throughout the druggy community.

I didn't say that police shouldn't be able to take some actions in these cases. Selling the drugs should be a criminal case. Public consumption or even appearance in public on drugs should be considered a reason to be sent to the rehab centers (maybe after, say, two warnings).

What these rehab centers should look like is a complex question. I cant give a coherent answer on it.

 

[Mac-7]

You're blaming the symptom, not the disease.

America has a higher standard of living than China

I know some men move to china and fall in love with a cute chinese girl

And they send back glowing reports on YouTube about the New Middle Kingdom

But their Yellow Fever blinds them to what china really is

Which is a brutal mercantile dictatorship that is a threat to the entire world

I don't want to lower the value of the dollar so that we can live as uncomfortably as the chinese and indians

 

[blackhawk]

There is always a solution the issue is if the solution is not quick, easy and painless we don’t want to do it.

 

[YoursTruly]

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

The problem isn't so much them using it, or even destroying their lives. Let's get real here, No one gives a shit about homeless druggies, unless they're a family or friend. And after some time, we tend to care very little about those.
The problem is how they get the money to do their drugs. And what they do to innocent people to get the money for the drugs
Hanging around businesses bumming and stealing. And all sort of other crimes, just to get their fix. I mean face it. Homeless druggies don't earn shit. Everything they get, come from stealing.
Drug dealers don't give their drugs away.

This is what is happening in a major way in many major cities. Businesses are closing their door because the crime and drugs are just not profitable. And since the city (Seattle and others) have decriminalized drugs, theft, pissing and shitting on sidewalks and a whole slew of other things, it's forcing decent people and businesses out.
This is why I have no sympathy or empathy for homeless druggies. For the simple fact that they adversely affect the lives of innocent people.

 

[YoursTruly]

What these rehab centers should look like is a complex question. I cant give a coherent answer on it.

And a proven success rate of at least 75% to stay in business.

 

[ESay]

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

The problem isn't so much them using it, or even destroying their lives. Let's get real here, No one gives a shit about homeless druggies, unless they're a family or friend. And after some time, we tend to care very little about those.
The problem is how they get the money to do their drugs. And what they do to innocent people to get the money for the drugs
Hanging around businesses bumming and stealing. And all sort of other crimes, just to get their fix. I mean face it. Homeless druggies don't earn shit. Everything they get, come from stealing.
Drug dealers don't give their drugs away.

This is what is happening in a major way in many major cities. Businesses are closing their door because the crime and drugs are just not profitable. And since the city (Seattle and others) have decriminalized drugs, theft, pissing and shitting on sidewalks and a whole slew of other things, it's forcing decent people and businesses out.
This is why I have no sympathy or empathy for homeless druggies. For the simple fact that they adversely affect the lives of innocent people.

Yes, that is all about public safety. About legalization of drugs, maybe that is a right step to do in some forms. But public consumption and appearance on drugs should be prohibited.

 

[ClaireH]

A buddy sent me this a few minutes ago



I don't think there is a an immediate fix- if you do, lets talk about it.

First off:
Do you really care?

If the answer is 'yes' then of course there is a fix for the situation, be the problem in the Bay area or throughout America.

Canada happens to be #1 in the world on 'quality of life' for it's people, while America has fallen to 15th. or even 17th. by some study estimates.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

There's a list of parameters chosen as those which must be satisfied when judging 'quality of life' for any country's people. That list provides direct answers to your question and infers solutions to America's problem.

And so, do you really care?

Or should this thread just be seen as another attempt to promote biased politics for an excuse on why America is failing it's people so badly?

An additional point worth making is that this forum serves as exposure of the ugly facts on what America has become. A new future America regime could censor such damaging exposure as has become the norm on a discussion forum, for the good of the country.

But again as shown by history, it would be too late to hide anything.

And funny thing is Canada is fucked. They built their perfect little socialist paradise and yet there is no one to pay the bills. The US is at 100% debt to GDP. Canada is at 170% debt to GDP. The wheels are coming off its just a question of when.

Speaking of the George Floyd murder, fascism has become a real possibility and a definite threat to a country in which it's people would even debate the fact that the cop kneeled on a man's neck for 9 1/2 to make sure the man was stone dead.
Only a fascist regime could justify that and find doubt over the cop's guilt. He'll walk.

And when the cop walks, it will be proven that the law has become powerless to deal with the country's problems.
It happened in Nazi Germany in the same way and only fools would turn to the law for justice in either case.

You see, we should talk about it, and we need contributions from your side too in order to ask the right questions and provide answers.

Eight minutes 46 seconds. No need to embellish.

The time thing has been bothering me because it’s been “all over the place” with different timeframes in the media. Following that, people repeat what they’ve read as face value. I blame the media because they copy some other source without fact checking. Similar thing happened with that guy trying to clean the pennies that his angry ex employer dumped on the bottom of his driveway. I read two reports that said it took him two hours a night, and another report had that it took him an hour and a half each night. Might sound like an insignificant thing to a lot of people, but that’s the easy stuff and you think they’d get it right.

 

[YoursTruly]

Yes, that is all about public safety. About legalization of drugs, maybe that is a right step to do in some forms. But public consumption and appearance on drugs should be prohibited.

I have no problem with decent folks who buy and use drugs. You know the ones that are responsible enough to do it at home. Who don't go out in public or to work when they're high. Ones that can keep a job.
But these people in the video, they're not only a nuisance, but a public hazard and a danger to a lot of innocent people.
And we all know how the law works, it's a one size fits all, that doesn't fit all.

I agree with those who say that being homeless isn't a crime. And it shouldn't be. That would make us inhumane to prosecute for something like that.
But those that are homeless and still decent people, should be the ones that money and help go to first. The indecent homeless druggy thieves, should be locked away until they're actually fit for society. If they're never fit for society, it's ridiculous to put them back into society.

 

[ESay]

Yes, that is all about public safety. About legalization of drugs, maybe that is a right step to do in some forms. But public consumption and appearance on drugs should be prohibited.

I have no problem with decent folks who buy and use drugs. You know the ones that are responsible enough to do it at home. Who don't go out in public or to work when they're high. Ones that can keep a job.
But these people in the video, they're not only a nuisance, but a public hazard and a danger to a lot of innocent people.
And we all know how the law works, it's a one size fits all, that doesn't fit all.

I agree with those who say that being homeless isn't a crime. And it shouldn't be. That would make us inhumane to prosecute for something like that.
But those that are homeless and still decent people, should be the ones that money and help go to first. The indecent homeless druggy thieves, should be locked away until they're actually fit for society. If they're never fit for society, it's ridiculous to put them back into society.

Yes, agree. That is exactly what my feelings are.

 

[Donald H]

Yes, that is all about public safety. About legalization of drugs, maybe that is a right step to do in some forms. But public consumption and appearance on drugs should be prohibited.

I have no problem with decent folks who buy and use drugs. You know the ones that are responsible enough to do it at home. Who don't go out in public or to work when they're high. Ones that can keep a job.
But these people in the video, they're not only a nuisance, but a public hazard and a danger to a lot of innocent people.
And we all know how the law works, it's a one size fits all, that doesn't fit all.

I agree with those who say that being homeless isn't a crime. And it shouldn't be. That would make us inhumane to prosecute for something like that.
But those that are homeless and still decent people, should be the ones that money and help go to first. The indecent homeless druggy thieves, should be locked away until they're actually fit for society. If they're never fit for society, it's ridiculous to put them back into society.

The German people did the same thing you've just done in turning their heads and pretending it wasn't happening to the Jewish people.

This thread is just a sub-thread spinoff from America's racism issue and the murder of black men.

 

[YoursTruly]

This thread is just a sub-thread spinoff from America's racism issue and the murder of black men.

I started this thread and it wasn't about racism at all.

 

[Donald H]

I started this thread and it wasn't about racism at all.

Racism in America is such a huge factor in all the problems that it can't be ignored. The Chaos by the Bay is directly connected, as is gun violence.

And the main topic in all of the threads is the fact the American people are being cheated out of a piece of the pie, and that is causing them to look to 'fascism' as their remedy.

'Fascism's' greatest leg up is in finding a minority to blame for the people' biggest problems.

It just has to be the black people!
It can't be income inequality that has turned America's neighbourhoods into slums.

 

[ClaireH]

I started this thread and it wasn't about racism at all.

Racism in America is such a huge factor in all the problems that it can't be ignored. The Chaos by the Bay is directly connected, as is gun violence.

And the main topic in all of the threads is the fact the American people are being cheated out of a piece of the pie, and that is causing them to look to 'fascism' as their remedy.

'Fascism's' greatest leg up is in finding a minority to blame for the people' biggest problems.

It just has to be the black people!
It can't be income inequality that has turned America's neighbourhoods into slums.

Well that’s bizarre. To my knowledge, I haven’t started one new thread much less this one! You missed something in the interim Donald H...

 

[Concerned American]

I started this thread and it wasn't about racism at all.

Racism in America is such a huge factor in all the problems that it can't be ignored. The Chaos by the Bay is directly connected, as is gun violence.

And the main topic in all of the threads is the fact the American people are being cheated out of a piece of the pie, and that is causing them to look to 'fascism' as their remedy.

'Fascism's' greatest leg up is in finding a minority to blame for the people' biggest problems.

It just has to be the black people!
It can't be income inequality that has turned America's neighbourhoods into slums.

Blah, Blah, Blah. Racism has been branded on your brain. Everything is not the result of racism. You, OTOH, are defined by it and there is no hope for you seeing beyond it.

 

[Donald H]

For you and others of your political persuasion, I prefer to not call if racism, because that is a direct affront to them.
If we call it a 'race' problem then you people can agree with it being the problem, and not have to be conscious of the two being the same thing.

The blame for racism and the blame for the race can then be accepted as the problem by both political sides.

Is that simple enough to understand?
It's saying that America has a race problem in that some other race is to blame.

And then for the left, they turn the 'race' problem into it being a 'racist' problem.

So in America, both the left and the right are wrong at the same time as they are right.

And the rest of the world outside the US can just look at the problem and just put the blame on Americans in general. donworryboutit.