Zone1 Challenge Maga every day and every way ethically and religiously

[BackAgain]

religious and political zealots ...

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the same as through the centuries using their false desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent.

What nonsense.

 

[Eman623]

Well, I did say, "If these people actually exist (and some MAGA say they don't)", so you are living proof. Still, at times, some committed MAGA do support the darndest things that in the actual Conservative Republican days, up through the 1990s and 2000s prior to Trump, would have been unthinkable. This includes supporting quartering troops in American cities or failure to stand up in firm international support for Ukraine, defending against Russian invasion. Something that if it were their state, Russia was invading, they would fall out with their weapons ready to fight to the death to defend, and rightly so, would be totally baffled, that others not in their state would be suggesting, they give up their lands to get a piece, knowing the history of Russia coming back for more and more.

I'm proof that there are some people who don't think there are very many "at any cost, in every way" Trump supporters, not proof that such people exist. As for the assertion that this makes me MAGA, well, that was my original question and if you're defining MAGA as "doesn't think MAGA exists" i find your reasoning a little circular. I don't think unicorns exist either, so am I a unicorn now?

Personally, I think we should be helping Ukraine kill as many Russians as possible, but you know how we MAGAs are.

OTOH, I also find compelling the people who say that this is not our fight and we need to focus on China who is our #1 geopolitical enemy right now. If Russians were attacking my state, I'd certainly fight, but I wouldn't expect people in Ukraine or Europe to help out.

So I go back to my original question - what is MAGA? The answer seems a little fuzzy around the edges. Maybe it's like porn. You know it when you see it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

This is a mess. What is this? You're saying we should let others live freely but ALSO, not people who disagree with you politically. Seriously this is all over the place. Make your point succinctly

He whines and complains all the time. Nobody takes him seriously because you can't.

He rarely posts over three sentences and they are usually pronouncements against those he disagrees with. He NEVER posts anything to back any of his claims. Like the morons who blather about global warming, but have no idea of what the science is.....he does the same when it comes to a myriad of points.

I have 55 people on ignore. I have not put him there yet, but it's getting close.

My brain hurts and my I.Q. drops when I see his stuff.

He has no idea what succinct means.

And the fact that you, one of the most level-headed and respectable posters on this board is willing to point out just what a drunken rant (my words) this is only shows it really is bad.

 

[Eman623]

religious and political zealots ...

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the same as through the centuries using their false desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent.

Bullshit. I'm not religious at all, and not a political zealot.

If a 100 year old picture of the KKK is your definition, then your theory of MAGA is trite and incomplete and worse, just plain outright wrong.

 

[Hafar1014]

This is a challenge to all Americans.

It might be that the most spiritual thing I do this one of American holy days is to commit myself to stand up in my little space and raise my squeaky voice against the creeping authoritarianism occurring in my country presently. Resistance comes in all forms--writing letters, publicly speaking against it, working for voting rights, helping immigrants, talking to your MAGA-influenced neighbor, etc--but together it can be a powerful force against what is happening today. And let me tell those who have drifted to this immoral man's side because of wokeness, distaste for LGBTQ rights, high taxes, lack of patriotism by some, or other reasons, losing our rights and living in a country where incompetent, immoral people head our agencies, abuse our rights, and show disdain for God's children is not what benefit you. We can debate our differences, we can seek different paths, but it is not worth losing our country for those differences. The thing that is supposed to make this country better is that we can live with our differences. That we respect them and give every man and woman the right to make their choices. We can be so much better than this. Let us not be cafeteria citizens, choosing only what benefits us and letting others suffer. We can be conservative, liberal, socialist, even right-wing but we can still believe in democracy for the people, by the people, and only through the people. Government is to serve all, not just those who are currently in power. It is something that those who come to power often forget. But the citizens must never.

Challenge MAGA in everything it does until it can prove that it treats every man and woman and child the same with love, kindness, and good will.

Oppose all organizations and governments that oppose and torment and hurt those with whom they disagree.

Defending criminals isnt going to get you far. Men in womens bathrooms, bad idea, gender absurdity, keeping illegal criminals in the country. Great idea oppose MAGA

 

[petro]

John Edgar's High Horse is rather Slow.

 

[BreezeWood]

What nonsense.

they are reactionary -

without any real objective than preventing what they themselves are unwilling to accept. using the christrian bible as their guide as what that religion has always represented - servitude and denial - the good manifested from self determination they will do all they can to prevent.

 

[BackAgain]

they are reactionary -

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without any real objective than preventing what they themselves are unwilling to accept. using the christrian bible as their guide as what that religion has always represented - servitude and denial - the good manifested from self determination they will do all they can to prevent.

Those folks you depict have nothing at all to do with MAGA, you dimwit.

Your banal commentary is unsupported and untrue.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I think he is referring to the die hard, back Trump at any cost, in every way, right/wrong, moral/immoral, constitution/unconstitution, states rights/no states rights, supporting his quartering troops in American cities, backing free elections/limiting free elections MAGA. Some MAGA will back the President on anything, simply because he is the MAGA leader after told what the MAGA party line is. If these people actually exist (and some MAGA say they don't) obviously it would be wrong headed, immoral, against constitutional or Christian ethical values, held before the MAGA party existed.

Self serving slop.

John Edgar slow as a horse, goes after anyone who does not agree with him. This is a debate forum, but he, like many present no debate whatsoever.

And that is clearly your stance on MAGA. He could not string that sentence together if you gave him a week.

So to you I say, as I have said other places: Backing Trump was a calculated risk we took in 2016. For me with the SCOTUS opening on the line (and I didn't agree with McConnel not giving Garland a hearing. They should have heard him then voted his ass off the island like the dems did Bork. Then they could have done it time and time again....elections do have consequences. In 2016, I back Trump for two reasons. The first is that I saw Hillary Clinton as a conniving, entitled, elitist, self-serving pig who could care less about this country. The second was the SCOTUS.

When my friends gripe at me, the get and three words....Gorsuch, Kavennaugh, and Barrett. End of discussion. My vote for him was justified. And they have ruled against Trump when appropriate. The Dobbs decisions was incredibly courageous on their part and it was absolutely the correct decision. They don't suck up to Trump. Unlike Jackson (you know the selection made when Biden said "I'm going to appoint a woman, most likely black" instead of saying "I am going to find the best qualified candidate out there". If you think Jackson is a SCOTUS judge, then when you use words like Constitution or states rights (states don't have rights, they have powers) you have no credibility. PERIOD.

Quartering troops in American cities is propaganda statement and only sinks you lower. This country has gotten out of control (on many social issues which the federal government has no place in) and trust is VERY LOW while tensions are VERY HIGH. That situations is exactly what you need for crime to flourish and for big business to thrive (while taking advantage of the system to screw us over). When you have people open assaulting legitimate federal law enforcement....including elected officials doing the same, you have a problem. Trump justified his actions and if you don't like the, take him to court.

What Christian or ethical values do you speak of? I would most curious to know just how you justify the absolute lie told the American People by the democratic party about Joe Biden for most of his term in office. And I'd be even more interested to know how you justify pushing him off the ticket (and if you come back and say "He stepped down volunatarily", you'll never be seen as serious again).

 

[BreezeWood]

Bullshit. I'm not religious at all, and not a political zealot.

If a 100 year old picture of the KKK is your definition, then your theory of MAGA is trite and incomplete and worse, just plain outright wrong.

really - their cowardly conviction ...

that's not to say this country is not outweighed by the bible belt and self motivated militants - presently - does not negate who they are. nor their manners will convince others by their deeds.

that theirs in any way is a just cause.

 

[HikerGuy83]

This includes supporting quartering troops in American cities

The orders calling up the National Guard list the statutory justification they believe existed to do so.

If you don't like it or you disagree, then state so. BTW: Just what are referring to when you say quartering troops?

In your lead up, you talked about people not accepting these things.

I suspect that in 1990, if illegals or immigrants were out throwing rocks (attempted murder) at law enforcement citizens might have gotten more involved. In todays world of the internet, that is more dicey. Still, I have to wonder just how you feel about the concept of a sanctuary city (something that is completely unconstitutional). Or about actual assaults on ICE agents.



If some citizen sniper dropped one of two of those people with a bullet to the head, I'd be sad for the fact that it got there. I would not be sad for the people lying on the ground.

 

[White 6]

The very same could be said of the Dems that support the 'darndest things that would have been unthinkable' in years past.

Got an example, of what a Democrat on here, (you might be talking about) argue support? I gave two. Or are you talking about a nebulous, random Democrat, not on the board, supposedly supports?

 

[BackAgain]

The orders calling up the National Guard list the statutory justification they believe existed to do so.

If you don't like it or you disagree, then state so. BTW: Just what are referring to when you say quartering troops?

In your lead up, you talked about people not accepting these things.

I suspect that in 1990, if illegals or immigrants were out throwing rocks (attempted murder) at law enforcement citizens might have gotten more involved. In todays world of the internet, that is more dicey. Still, I have to wonder just how you feel about the concept of a sanctuary city (something that is completely unconstitutional). Or about actual assaults on ICE agents.



If some citizen sniper dropped one of two of those people with a bullet to the head, I'd be sad for the fact that it got there. I would not be sad for the people lying on the ground.

Quartering troops referred to seizing the homes of the locals as barracks for the troops. So that term doesn’t truly even apply.

The Posse Comitatus Act, which is still on the books, and which was designed to avoid having the military assume a law enforcement role in our land, nevertheless itself came with exceptions. The big exception ok’d Congress (by law) making allowing the President to use the military under specified circumstances.

Congress has so enacted the exceptions.

In our republic, we can petition Congress to revisit such specific exceptions. Maybe our liberal Democratics will try. Hey. That’s ok. They have every right to try.

 

[eagle7-31]

This is a challenge to all Americans.

It might be that the most spiritual thing I do this one of American holy days is to commit myself to stand up in my little space and raise my squeaky voice against the creeping authoritarianism occurring in my country presently. Resistance comes in all forms--writing letters, publicly speaking against it, working for voting rights, helping immigrants, talking to your MAGA-influenced neighbor, etc--but together it can be a powerful force against what is happening today. And let me tell those who have drifted to this immoral man's side because of wokeness, distaste for LGBTQ rights, high taxes, lack of patriotism by some, or other reasons, losing our rights and living in a country where incompetent, immoral people head our agencies, abuse our rights, and show disdain for God's children is not what benefit you. We can debate our differences, we can seek different paths, but it is not worth losing our country for those differences. The thing that is supposed to make this country better is that we can live with our differences. That we respect them and give every man and woman the right to make their choices. We can be so much better than this. Let us not be cafeteria citizens, choosing only what benefits us and letting others suffer. We can be conservative, liberal, socialist, even right-wing but we can still believe in democracy for the people, by the people, and only through the people. Government is to serve all, not just those who are currently in power. It is something that those who come to power often forget. But the citizens must never.

Challenge MAGA in everything it does until it can prove that it treats every man and woman and child the same with love, kindness, and good will.

Oppose all organizations and governments that oppose and torment and hurt those with whom they disagree.

That is okay I feel similar to you when the Democrats are in total power.

 

[hadit]

This is a challenge to all Americans.

It might be that the most spiritual thing I do this one of American holy days is to commit myself to stand up in my little space and raise my squeaky voice against the creeping authoritarianism occurring in my country presently. Resistance comes in all forms--writing letters, publicly speaking against it, working for voting rights, helping immigrants, talking to your MAGA-influenced neighbor, etc--but together it can be a powerful force against what is happening today. And let me tell those who have drifted to this immoral man's side because of wokeness, distaste for LGBTQ rights, high taxes, lack of patriotism by some, or other reasons, losing our rights and living in a country where incompetent, immoral people head our agencies, abuse our rights, and show disdain for God's children is not what benefit you. We can debate our differences, we can seek different paths, but it is not worth losing our country for those differences. The thing that is supposed to make this country better is that we can live with our differences. That we respect them and give every man and woman the right to make their choices. We can be so much better than this. Let us not be cafeteria citizens, choosing only what benefits us and letting others suffer. We can be conservative, liberal, socialist, even right-wing but we can still believe in democracy for the people, by the people, and only through the people. Government is to serve all, not just those who are currently in power. It is something that those who come to power often forget. But the citizens must never.

Challenge MAGA in everything it does until it can prove that it treats every man and woman and child the same with love, kindness, and good will.

Oppose all organizations and governments that oppose and torment and hurt those with whom they disagree.

God is far greater than petty politics. THAT is what we need to remember.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Challenge MAGA in everything it does until it can prove that it treats every man and woman and child the same with love, kindness, and good will

As MAGA I'm only interested in LAWS being applied equally. No more special treatment for the 68 IQ folks who have been allowed to terrorize our cities.

No more special rights for the brown folks who have been invading our country without opposition.

It's over for the liberal whites. Get used to it

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Got an example, of what a Democrat on here, (you might be talking about) argue support? I gave two. Or are you talking about a nebulous, random Democrat, not on the board, supposedly supports?

Dems in general, that nearly all support things like Drag Queen story hour that influences impressionable minds of children to mutilate their bodies thru surgery without parent knowledge or consent, post or at birth abortions, open boarders with NO vetting or oversight, letting hardcore criminals off with a slap on the wrist to continue their crimes, etc

Huge difference from years past when Dems would put some type of limit to those activities.....but no more.

 

[Eman623]

really - their cowardly conviction ...

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that's not to say this country is not outweighed by the bible belt and self motivated militants - presently - does not negate who they are. nor their manners will convince others by their deeds.

that theirs in any way is a just cause.

I was not at the Capitol on Jan 6. Neither were 99.999% of MAGA.

Your theory of MAGA is a cherry picked collection of bullshit

 

[Blaster]

This is a challenge to all Americans.

It might be that the most spiritual thing I do this one of American holy days is to commit myself to stand up in my little space and raise my squeaky voice against the creeping authoritarianism occurring in my country presently. Resistance comes in all forms--writing letters, publicly speaking against it, working for voting rights, helping immigrants, talking to your MAGA-influenced neighbor, etc--but together it can be a powerful force against what is happening today. And let me tell those who have drifted to this immoral man's side because of wokeness, distaste for LGBTQ rights, high taxes, lack of patriotism by some, or other reasons, losing our rights and living in a country where incompetent, immoral people head our agencies, abuse our rights, and show disdain for God's children is not what benefit you. We can debate our differences, we can seek different paths, but it is not worth losing our country for those differences. The thing that is supposed to make this country better is that we can live with our differences. That we respect them and give every man and woman the right to make their choices. We can be so much better than this. Let us not be cafeteria citizens, choosing only what benefits us and letting others suffer. We can be conservative, liberal, socialist, even right-wing but we can still believe in democracy for the people, by the people, and only through the people. Government is to serve all, not just those who are currently in power. It is something that those who come to power often forget. But the citizens must never.

Challenge MAGA in everything it does until it can prove that it treats every man and woman and child the same with love, kindness, and good will.

Oppose all organizations and governments that oppose and torment and hurt those with whom they disagree.

I think you need a hug.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

My prediction.

The insertion of federal troops into Washington D.C. is a precursor to troops being deployed to democrat cities. In the months preceding the mid-term elections, ICE and federal troop crackdowns will increase to the extent that many voters will be intimated from voting. Or he may employ other tactics to sway the vote.


Trump is also trying to do away with mail-in voting. If republicans do poorly in the elections, he may try to invalidate legally cast mail-in votes in order to ensure continued Republican control of Congress.

Make sure you get everyone you know to vote.