CDCs “confusing” messaging on vaccines.

[gipper]

30 Jul 2021 Foreign Policy

The Science Says Everyone Needs a COVID-19 Booster Shot—and Soon

The biology of the delta variant has made mass revaccination an urgent necessity.

foreignpolicy.com

‘....Sure enough, the United States is again awash in virus, with the incidence of new cases having soared 131% in the 3rd week of July. To be clear, the vaccines available work well — especially Pfizer and Moderna....but it is likely that waning vaccine efficacy, coupled with a stubborn one-fifth of the adult population refusing any immunization, has opened the door for the dangerous mutant delta variant to wreak havoc among the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.’

What’s weird is China hasn’t had much of a problem with the virus, even though it apparently originated there. Their people quickly went back to normal after a short hard shut down. Plus their vaccination rates aren’t very high. This would seem to indicate somethings amiss in the USA.

 

[badger2]

What’s weird is China hasn’t had much of a problem with the virus, even though it apparently originated there. Their people quickly went back to normal after a short hard shut down. Plus their vaccination rates aren’t very high. This would seem to indicate somethings amiss in the USA.

Consider that communist spying added to the biological knowledge: obese Americans would be one parameter. Why risk drawing heat back to a French-backed facility when cultivating the natural virus makes more sense. Gain-of-function began around 2011, though Wuhan would not stop doing it, yet keep it a secret: the genome shows no enhancing manipulations, though at Level 4 GOF could have still been going on for the development of military and clandestine vaccines. This website usually translates from the Chinese:

https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2021-08-04/doc-ikqcfncc091

 

[badger2]

北京新增3例确诊，2地升级中风险

北京新增3例确诊，2地升级中风险

news.sina.com.cn

 

[badger2]

Flutrackers usually translates from the Chinese:

Forums - FluTrackers News and Information

vBulletin Forums

flutrackers.com

 

[badger2]

Chinese communists would know and have experience with an exotic virus introduced into an American population rife with obesity and underlying conditions. When the Hong Kong flu hit America in 1968, it was the devastating exotic-ness that was felt. When they first pulled the Mojiang virus out of the mine, they knew it was bad. Cover-ups may have begun then, vaccine research may have begun then.

 

[Concerned American]

People don't end up on ventilators from the common cold

Over 99 percent of people who contract covid don't end up on ventilators either--what is your point?

 

[Blues Man]

Over 99 percent of people who contract covid don't end up on ventilators either--what is your point?

Tell the people who ended up on ventilators that.

How many times has the common cols almosgt crashed our health care system?

 

[Concerned American]

Tell the people who ended up on ventilators that.

How many times has the common cols almosgt crashed our health care system?

How many times has covid almost crashed our health care system--NONE. We had tent hospitals in major cities as well as hospital ships--all went unused. Don't drink the kool aid.

 

[Independent thinker]

A couple of months ago Fauci was on tv talking about how effective the vaccines were. He still wants to claim that. With the caveat that, oh yeah, you’ll have to wear masks even with the vaccine. Last week we had Biden telling us in a press conference that the vaccine will protect us from infection. Huh, well that didn’t last long.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

What’s going on with the vaccine? Well, let me take you back to Biden’s COVID czar, Dr Micheal Olsterholm, on Joe Rogans podcast in March of 2020, before lockdowns. When Joe asked if we could develop a vaccine against COVID, Olsterholm responded in the negative stating that (paraphrase) by the time we create, test, and distribute a vaccine, we will be worried about COVID 2021, not COVID-19. Biden’s own COVID czar.

The numbers for this vaccine are abysmal. Israel, among the top 3 in vaccination rates in the world...huh, our state department has issued a travel advisory because cases are exploding in Israel. UK numbers are awful as well, also leading the world in vaccinations. Sweden, those barbarians that never locked down and rarely masked, whose vaccination rate is abysmal at 30%, a country of 10 million...they haven’t had a COVID death in a couple of weeks.

Here’s an excercise, try to look up the numbers on breakthrough infections youself, see how difficult it is to find that information. You’ll get “breakthroughs happen, but it’s rare and symptoms are mild”...you won’t get raw numbers though. Here’s the hoops I had to jump through to get just a little bit of an idea on the efficacy of these vaccines in Massachusetts, #2 overall in the US as far as vaccination rate over 60%.

I found this article

Massachusetts Has Now Reported More Than 5,000 Breakthrough COVID Infections, 80 Deaths

The rate of fully vaccinated people ending up in the hospital remains low.

boston.cbslocal.com

Subtracted the new breakthrough total from the last weeks listed in the article. Gave me 716 breakthroughs for the week 7/17. Then went onto the state website here

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-raw-data-july-23-2021/download

To to find new cases total for the week of 7/17, at 1472 (if I remember correctly you can check my math), which gave me a breakthrough infection rate of 48% out of all new cases. Mind you the alpha strain (the strain this vaccine supposedly is effective against) is still in circulation.

While vaccines do work quite well at cutting down on hospitalizations and deaths, they don't work that well at stopping infections where you actually do get sick. So, about 40% of the vaccinated will be infected with Delta, even if vaccinated and many of those will actually get sick. So, the fact is, vaccines aren't very good at stopping infection with Delta and yet the left still falsely report that they do. The breakthrough cases are about 40%, not the 1% touted by the left.

 

[WEATHER53]

I think I said on first page of this thread that it is confusing by design and now we know it’s because they themselves are confused which keeps the door open for more illegal declaration and edicts

 

[sakinago]

While vaccines do work quite well at cutting down on hospitalizations and deaths, they don't work that well at stopping infections where you actually do get sick. So, about 40% of the vaccinated will be infected with Delta, even if vaccinated and many of those will actually get sick. So, the fact is, vaccines aren't very good at stopping infection with Delta and yet the left still falsely report that they do. The breakthrough cases are about 40%, not the 1% touted by the left.

That’s not taking into consideration how many already have recovered from COVID, in which natural immunity works against all variants so far. It is not a vaccine. It is a shitty therapeutic. One that is dangerous. One that quickly wanes in efficacy. One that will drive mutation away from it. And one that will drive ADE.

But, you know...you need to take the vaccine, because you’ll get the unvaxed sick with the disease they got vaccinated for. The vaccine isn’t working only because of the vaccinated people. If the virus mutates into a resistant form against the vaccine, it’ll all be because of the unvaccinated. Just like MRSA only came about because of all the people who never used methicillin. Plebes

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

A couple of months ago Fauci was on tv talking about how effective the vaccines were. He still wants to claim that. With the caveat that, oh yeah, you’ll have to wear masks even with the vaccine. Last week we had Biden telling us in a press conference that the vaccine will protect us from infection. Huh, well that didn’t last long.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

What’s going on with the vaccine? Well, let me take you back to Biden’s COVID czar, Dr Micheal Olsterholm, on Joe Rogans podcast in March of 2020, before lockdowns. When Joe asked if we could develop a vaccine against COVID, Olsterholm responded in the negative stating that (paraphrase) by the time we create, test, and distribute a vaccine, we will be worried about COVID 2021, not COVID-19. Biden’s own COVID czar.

The numbers for this vaccine are abysmal. Israel, among the top 3 in vaccination rates in the world...huh, our state department has issued a travel advisory because cases are exploding in Israel. UK numbers are awful as well, also leading the world in vaccinations. Sweden, those barbarians that never locked down and rarely masked, whose vaccination rate is abysmal at 30%, a country of 10 million...they haven’t had a COVID death in a couple of weeks.

Here’s an excercise, try to look up the numbers on breakthrough infections youself, see how difficult it is to find that information. You’ll get “breakthroughs happen, but it’s rare and symptoms are mild”...you won’t get raw numbers though. Here’s the hoops I had to jump through to get just a little bit of an idea on the efficacy of these vaccines in Massachusetts, #2 overall in the US as far as vaccination rate over 60%.

I found this article

Massachusetts Has Now Reported More Than 5,000 Breakthrough COVID Infections, 80 Deaths

The rate of fully vaccinated people ending up in the hospital remains low.

boston.cbslocal.com

Subtracted the new breakthrough total from the last weeks listed in the article. Gave me 716 breakthroughs for the week 7/17. Then went onto the state website here

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-raw-data-july-23-2021/download

To to find new cases total for the week of 7/17, at 1472 (if I remember correctly you can check my math), which gave me a breakthrough infection rate of 48% out of all new cases. Mind you the alpha strain (the strain this vaccine supposedly is effective against) is still in circulation.

Dr. Dan Stock, MD, discusses masks and vaccines (Video).

Everything we are doing is wrong. Everything being recommended by the CDC is inconsistent with established Science and their own data.

Masks are ineffective at preventing viral transmission, per the CDC's and NIH's own data.

We cannot make respiratory viruses disappear. They circulate all year, and they have animal reservoirs. Smallpox had no animal reservoirs.

Vaccination changes none of this. The current vaccine is causing anti-body mediated viral enhancement, which has happened for all coronaviruses.

Vaccines allow the virus to be come worse than it would with native infection.

75% of symptomatic COVID cases in Cape Cod were of fully-vaccinated individuals.

Therefore vaccinated and unvaccinated should be treated equally.

Vaccinated individuals are shedding virus. The vaccines don't do exactly what you want them to do. These summer outbreaks are unusual, and being driven by the vaccinated.

People who had COVID get no benefit at all from vaccination, and they get reactions to the vaccines at four to six times the previously uninfected.

Everything we are doing is wrong and unscientific.

 

[sakinago]

Tell the people who ended up on ventilators that.

How many times has the common cols almosgt crashed our health care system?

Yeah, no, guess what the percentage COVID patients made up for the ER during the height of the pandemic? 5%. Some hospitals in some inner city regions got slammed. Slammed is not overwhelmed. We were never closed to being overwhelmed. In fact the opposite was true. Some hospitals shuddered their doors forever because of lack of patients.

What have you to say about the ivermectin data to all those patients on death traps, I mean ventilators?

 

[WEATHER53]

Much falsehood about virus spreading only with spit goblets which mask could trap. Virus is so tiny and distance to travel so short that it remains vital and airborne without encapsulation

 

[badger2]

What’s weird is China hasn’t had much of a problem with the virus, even though it apparently originated there. Their people quickly went back to normal after a short hard shut down. Plus their vaccination rates aren’t very high. This would seem to indicate somethings amiss in the USA.

The communist Chinese know about SARS-Cov viruses from bats, their connection to ebola and cancer, as well as Alzheimer’s. They won’t complain though remain complacent, as their virus molests the West.

 

[sakinago]

What’s weird is China hasn’t had much of a problem with the virus, even though it apparently originated there. Their people quickly went back to normal after a short hard shut down. Plus their vaccination rates aren’t very high. This would seem to indicate somethings amiss in the USA.

They did. Just like everybody else. They just don’t care about their citizenry. If it doesn’t effect Xi, it doesn’t matter. As soon as they produced the panic porn and got the entire world to buy into lockdowns and anti scientific hysteria, they patted themselves on the back and went back to normal.

The only thing wrong in the US is our insane policy from top to bottom. Especially pushing vaccines that don’t work. And then blaming it on people who haven’t taken the shitty vaccines. Also, not having an outpatient treatment policy instituted at the onset of symptoms. Instead it’s just go home and don’t come back until your O2 sats are at an emergency level, and our options are extremely limited.

 

[sakinago]

I think I said on first page of this thread that it is confusing by design and now we know it’s because they themselves are confused which keeps the door open for more illegal declaration and edicts

No they’re not confused. Not at all. They’re just seeing how far they can go. It’s the milgram experiment in real life. Look it up. Some guy in a lab coat is telling one test subject to shock another test subject despite them begging them not too, and they’re doing it. Because some guy in a lab coat says so. He’s must be an authority figure because he’s got that lab coat. So when he says “the test is safe, proceed” even though the patient with a heart condition is asking you to stop because his heart is skipping beats, you keep on shocking.

 

[sakinago]

Where do you dig up this bullshit? Is the person submitting the report under oath? I used to have some respect for your opinions, but you have gone full retard, and you never go full retard!

Here is your link to information you continuously ignore or dismiss.

"VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine."

VAERS - About Us

VAERS reports are still confirmed by the CDC. It’s only passive as far as the point of receiving the initial report. Once it’s received they will then contact the doctor/hospital to receive the medical records surrounding the incidents. They are playing word games here, after they receive the report they are no longer passive. Otherwise every Jenny McCarthy would be filling out a VAERS claiming all these vaccines put charges in tower 7 and fired a scud missile at the pentagon, and it would wind up on VAERS. This is why they’re extremely backlogged right now. Mind you the vast majority of these reports are filled out by doctors, who believe the injury came from the vaccine. It is a voluntary and time consuming process for doctors to do. If anything the VAERS numbers are seriously undereportting deaths. Here’s a study from Germany stating that vaccine injuries and death are being severely underreported.

Heidelberger Pathologe pocht auf mehr Obduktionen von Geimpften

Stuttgart/Heidelberg – Der Chefpathologe der Uni Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, drängt zu viel mehr Obduktionen von Geimpften. Neben Coronatoten müssten auch... #COVID-19 #Impfen

www.aerzteblatt.de

The whole safety of this vaccine rest on the premise that it does not leave the injection site. Which it does. We know it does, a lot of it does. We all agree that the spike protein in the virus is what causes the terrible inflammation and clotting symptoms in some. Well, these vaccines work by telling your bodies protein factories to make a bunch of spike proteins. Now if those spike proteins are floating around your body instead of just at the injection site, well that would make this vaccine dangerous to people who are susceptible to the spike protein and A2 receptor deadly combo...wouldn’t it?

 

[gipper]

They did. Just like everybody else. They just don’t care about their citizenry. If it doesn’t effect Xi, it doesn’t matter. As soon as they produced the panic porn and got the entire world to buy into lockdowns and anti scientific hysteria, they patted themselves on the back and went back to normal.

The only thing wrong in the US is our insane policy from top to bottom. Especially pushing vaccines that don’t work. And then blaming it on people who haven’t taken the shitty vaccines. Also, not having an outpatient treatment policy instituted at the onset of symptoms. Instead it’s just go home and don’t come back until your O2 sats are at an emergency level, and our options are extremely limited.

I agree with most of that except that China doesn’t care about their citizens. This is wrong. If they didn’t they wouldn’t have bothered to shut down to stop the spread. Xi is a very effective leader, unlike ours.

 

[sakinago]

I agree with most of that except that China doesn’t care about their citizens. This is wrong. If they didn’t they wouldn’t have bothered to shut down to stop the spread. Xi is a very effective leader, unlike ours.

They 100% don’t care about their citizenry. You either further the governments cause or you don’t, in which, you will be steamrolled. The shutdown was not scientific. It did not work. Anywhere. Especially not China. It did however cause a worldwide panic. You cannot say that China didn’t intend on a worldwide panic. They were producing (as in manufacturing with props and actors) scare porn videos of the military marching in empty streets in hazmat gear, dousing the area with disinfectant. These videos went viral on Instagram and Tik Tok. They were filmed like they were secret unauthorized candid footage. They weren’t. China controls all internet traffic from and into their country. Their leadership is effective for the leaders and the goals of their leaders, not the citizenry.