Carrington Event on steroids

[Old Rocks]

A Carrington Event would be bad news. However, it appears that the sun has even stronger events that could have very negative effects on our civilization;

 

[Uncensored2008]

Solar storms are caused by DONALD TRUMP!

 

[Batcat]

Solar storms are caused by DONALD TRUMP!

Everything that goes wrong in the entire universe is Trump‘s fault.

 

[Dekster]

Everything that goes wrong in the entire universe is Trump‘s fault.

His hair is proof that he is not from this planet....or species

 

[Old Rocks]

Interesting subject, but the dumb fucks have the usual dumb fuck comments. They dearly treasure their willful ignorance, and will resist anything that resembles learning about reality. As we learn more about the universe, we also learn more about ways it has to mess with our lives. That knowledge could save us a lot of grief, provided we learn fast enough and use what we learn to prepare for such events.

 

[MisterBeale]

I looked into the Carrington affect several decades ago, and was thoroughly convinced, that we needed to harden our electrical and communication grid.

Then I realized how much more, as time was passing, our civilization, is starting to depend on those satellites in orbit.

When another Carrington level event happens?

It's the end.

It'll wipe out all of them from the sky.

As we have made our global supply and distribution networks dependent on those satellites, the entire system will collapse, and mass starvation will follow.

 

[Dekster]

I looked into the Carrington affect several decades ago, and was thoroughly convinced, that we needed to harden our electrical and communication grid.

Then I realized how much more, as time was passing, our civilization, is starting to depend on those satellites in orbit.

When another Carrington level event happens?

It's the end.

It'll wipe out all of them from the sky.

As we have made our global supply and distribution networks dependent on those satellites, the entire system will collapse, and mass starvation will follow.

I think you are being a bit melodramatic. We get hit with these things from time to time and the effects are generally localized.

 

[excalibur]

Solar storms are caused by DONALD TRUMP!

And CO2!

 

[Batcat]

His hair is proof that he is not from this planet....or species

Trump’s replacement, Joe Biden, has that “lost in space” look. And he is.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Solar storms are caused by DONALD TRUMP!

Global Warming!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A Carrington Event would be bad news. However, it appears that the sun has even stronger events that could have very negative effects on our civilization;

I watch him as well. Interesting content.

The sun is not a gas burner in your basement that you can set to 72F, it's a plasma and its output varies.

That's Life

 

[Uncensored2008]

His hair is proof that he is not from this planet....or species

What planet or species did "Plugs" Biden get his hair from?

 

[Blues Man]

The universe is a dangerous place.

But hey we're all going to be dead in the next billion years anyway so relax

 

[Uncensored2008]

Interesting subject, but the dumb fucks have the usual dumb fuck comments. They dearly treasure their willful ignorance, and will resist anything that resembles learning about reality. As we learn more about the universe, we also learn more about ways it has to mess with our lives. That knowledge could save us a lot of grief, provided we learn fast enough and use what we learn to prepare for such events.

You've spent decades denying science and the impact of solar activity on the climate of earth. You were too dedicated to proselytizing your idiotic, primitive religion.

Yes, we know solar activity is 99% responsible for the climactic cycles on this planet. You're finally catching up.

We laugh at you because you're a clown, a cult zealot right out of Jonestown. Most of us here have presented similar information to this to you dozens of times but you reject it as heresy to you stone age religion shrieking that the earth warms because Gaia is angered by our carbon sins. No dumbass, changes to climate on earth are primarily driven by solar activity, and we don't have damned thing to do with it.

So it's amusing watching you shuffle in and start shouting HEY I NO SUMPIN NUE, DU SUN EFEX CLIMATE

Dumbass.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think you are being a bit melodramatic. We get hit with these things from time to time and the effects are generally localized.

Here's What Would Happen if a Solar Storm Wiped Out Technology as We Know It​

Here's What Would Happen if a Solar Storm Wiped Out Technology as We Know It

It's a strange and lucky irony that the worst solar storm in recorded history happened at a time when human civilisation wasn't yet uniquely vulnerable to the Sun's inescapable geomagnetic fury.

www.sciencealert.com

" . . .The Carrington Event – aka the solar storm of 1859 – saw a huge solar coronal mass ejection unleashed at Earth's protective magnetosphere, producing an epic geomagnetic storm the scale of which modern civilisation had never before witnessed.

As a barrage of charged particles collided with Earth's magnetic field, intense auroras lit up skies around the world – but with strong electrical currents sweeping across the globe, the repercussions went far beyond colourful visuals.

Telegraph systems covering Europe and North America went down, as sparks flew from equipment, giving electric shocks to their human operators and even starting fires. Amid the electrified tumult, machines that had been disconnected from their power supplies eerily continued to relay their truncated messages.

It was, in other words, technological chaos. Yet from the comparatively futuristic perspective of 2018, as far as tech apocalypses go, it all sounds rather quaint and contained.

If a similar-scale solar storm were to strike Earth's pervasive technological systems right now – over a century and a half later – what would happen?

Nobody knows for sure how bad things would be, but given how scarily reliant we are on today's deep-rooted technological and electronic superstructures – compared to the primitive and relatively rare contraptions of 1859 – it would certainly be no picnic.. . .

<snip>

We aren't ready for a solar storm smackdown ​

From CNET Magazine: The sun is constantly sending out megatons of charged particles that could crash the world's electrical grid. Here's what we can do about it.

It's a solar smackdown!

Here’s what we can do about all those electric-grid crashing charged particles heading our way.

www.cnet.com

A Carrington-class solar storm would be dramatically worse.

The basic problem stems from electrical currents that solar storms generate in the Earth's ionosphere. Those, in turn, induce currents in the power grid that can lead to two unfortunate outcomes. One is voltage collapse — a type of power blackout that can affect entire electric grids. The other is transformer failure.

Transformers change one voltage to another — increasing it for long-distance power transmission and decreasing it for household use. Solar storms could destroy power grid transformers, which can be as big as a house, cost more than $10 million and take 12 to 18 months to replace. It's one reason a science and engineering firm called Metatech warned in 2008 that a massive solar storm could cost the US economy between $1 trillion and $2 trillion and take four to 10 years to recover from.

That projection is too dire, though, say transformer experts at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) as well as Scott Backhaus, an expert in grid resiliency at LANL.

Of the potential impacts, the one everybody is concerned about is a large power transformer overheating," says Backhaus. "What would probably happen before that would be voltage collapse."

While not as devastating, voltage collapse can still cause regional problems. And the more widespread the blackouts, the harder a recovery becomes because broader outages require power plants to initiate a "black start": using their own power sources, like diesel generators, for the electricity needed to restart the whole plant.

Solar storms cause other problems, too. Satellites beam navigation radio signals to everything from your phone and your car's sat-nav system to oil rigs and airplanes. Massive bursts of charged particles can hobble those services, as well as phone calls and internet data transfers.

Space weather also can expose aircraft to high levels of radiation. The Earth's magnetic field ordinarily provides protection except near the north and south magnetic poles, but CMEs push that radiation down toward the equator. That means transcontinental flights that usually travel over a pole must detour to less direct routes. . . ."

When Will A Massive Solar Storm Knockout Our High-Tech Society? That Depends On Who You Ask​

When Will A Massive Solar Storm Knockout Our High-Tech Society? That Depends On Who You Ask

Geologists uncover more evidence for massive solar storms in Earth’s past while mathematicians calculate the probability of a catastrophic geomagnetic storm is lower than estimated.

www.forbes.com

". . In separate research, mathematicians think they’ve proved that massive solar storms are more unlikely than previously thought. Three mathematicians and a physicist from the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona (UAB), the Mathematics Research Centre (CRM) and the Barcelona Graduate School of Mathematics (BGSMath) calculated that the probability in the next decade of a potentially catastrophic event for the Earth's telecommunications, of ‘Carrington Event’ proportions, is between 0.46% and 1.88%.

That’s far less than estimated before. "In 2012, the results reported in scientific literature estimated the probability to be around 12%, ten times more than our more pessimistic estimation,” says David Moriña, first author of the study and postdoctoral researcher explains.. . "

Carrington Event - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My analysis is, a more diverse society, with multiple localized energy sources, with higher inputs from wind and energy would, indeed would mitigate this danger. This is not to say, localities should also have other energy sources. The more energy sources you have, the better. Diversity breeds resilience and reliability.

OTH, a centralized controlled society, completely reliant on Smart tech for command, control, data gathering computation inputs, outputs, and distribution networks is a critical weakness. A confederated, decentralized social sysem, just like a decentralized energy distribution network and resource network, just like a decentrialized political network, would be in the interest of the entire human race.

In this way, if any part of the planet takes a critical hit, the other parts of the planet can help come to the rescue. Making the whole system so integrated, that a killing blow to one part? Brings the whole deck of cards down. . . this is suicidal idiocy. But you can't tell these global psychopaths anything.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here's What Would Happen if a Solar Storm Wiped Out Technology as We Know It​

Here's What Would Happen if a Solar Storm Wiped Out Technology as We Know It

It's a strange and lucky irony that the worst solar storm in recorded history happened at a time when human civilisation wasn't yet uniquely vulnerable to the Sun's inescapable geomagnetic fury.

www.sciencealert.com

" . . .The Carrington Event – aka the solar storm of 1859 – saw a huge solar coronal mass ejection unleashed at Earth's protective magnetosphere, producing an epic geomagnetic storm the scale of which modern civilisation had never before witnessed.

As a barrage of charged particles collided with Earth's magnetic field, intense auroras lit up skies around the world – but with strong electrical currents sweeping across the globe, the repercussions went far beyond colourful visuals.

Telegraph systems covering Europe and North America went down, as sparks flew from equipment, giving electric shocks to their human operators and even starting fires. Amid the electrified tumult, machines that had been disconnected from their power supplies eerily continued to relay their truncated messages.

It was, in other words, technological chaos. Yet from the comparatively futuristic perspective of 2018, as far as tech apocalypses go, it all sounds rather quaint and contained.

If a similar-scale solar storm were to strike Earth's pervasive technological systems right now – over a century and a half later – what would happen?

Nobody knows for sure how bad things would be, but given how scarily reliant we are on today's deep-rooted technological and electronic superstructures – compared to the primitive and relatively rare contraptions of 1859 – it would certainly be no picnic.. . .

<snip>

We aren't ready for a solar storm smackdown ​

From CNET Magazine: The sun is constantly sending out megatons of charged particles that could crash the world's electrical grid. Here's what we can do about it.

It's a solar smackdown!

Here’s what we can do about all those electric-grid crashing charged particles heading our way.

www.cnet.com

A Carrington-class solar storm would be dramatically worse.

The basic problem stems from electrical currents that solar storms generate in the Earth's ionosphere. Those, in turn, induce currents in the power grid that can lead to two unfortunate outcomes. One is voltage collapse — a type of power blackout that can affect entire electric grids. The other is transformer failure.

Transformers change one voltage to another — increasing it for long-distance power transmission and decreasing it for household use. Solar storms could destroy power grid transformers, which can be as big as a house, cost more than $10 million and take 12 to 18 months to replace. It's one reason a science and engineering firm called Metatech warned in 2008 that a massive solar storm could cost the US economy between $1 trillion and $2 trillion and take four to 10 years to recover from.

That projection is too dire, though, say transformer experts at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) as well as Scott Backhaus, an expert in grid resiliency at LANL.

Of the potential impacts, the one everybody is concerned about is a large power transformer overheating," says Backhaus. "What would probably happen before that would be voltage collapse."

While not as devastating, voltage collapse can still cause regional problems. And the more widespread the blackouts, the harder a recovery becomes because broader outages require power plants to initiate a "black start": using their own power sources, like diesel generators, for the electricity needed to restart the whole plant.

Solar storms cause other problems, too. Satellites beam navigation radio signals to everything from your phone and your car's sat-nav system to oil rigs and airplanes. Massive bursts of charged particles can hobble those services, as well as phone calls and internet data transfers.

Space weather also can expose aircraft to high levels of radiation. The Earth's magnetic field ordinarily provides protection except near the north and south magnetic poles, but CMEs push that radiation down toward the equator. That means transcontinental flights that usually travel over a pole must detour to less direct routes. . . ."

When Will A Massive Solar Storm Knockout Our High-Tech Society? That Depends On Who You Ask​

When Will A Massive Solar Storm Knockout Our High-Tech Society? That Depends On Who You Ask

Geologists uncover more evidence for massive solar storms in Earth’s past while mathematicians calculate the probability of a catastrophic geomagnetic storm is lower than estimated.

www.forbes.com

". . In separate research, mathematicians think they’ve proved that massive solar storms are more unlikely than previously thought. Three mathematicians and a physicist from the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona (UAB), the Mathematics Research Centre (CRM) and the Barcelona Graduate School of Mathematics (BGSMath) calculated that the probability in the next decade of a potentially catastrophic event for the Earth's telecommunications, of ‘Carrington Event’ proportions, is between 0.46% and 1.88%.

That’s far less than estimated before. "In 2012, the results reported in scientific literature estimated the probability to be around 12%, ten times more than our more pessimistic estimation,” says David Moriña, first author of the study and postdoctoral researcher explains.. . "

Carrington Event - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My analysis is, a more diverse society, with multiple localized energy sources, with higher inputs from wind and energy would, indeed would mitigate this danger. This is not to say, localities should also have other energy sources. The more energy sources you have, the better. Diversity breeds resilience and reliability.

OTH, a centralized controlled society, completely reliant on Smart tech for command, control, data gathering computation inputs, outputs, and distribution networks is a critical weakness. A confederated, decentralized social sysem, just like a decentralized energy distribution network and resource network, just like a decentrialized political network, would be in the interest of the entire human race.

In this way, if any part of the planet takes a critical hit, the other parts of the planet can help come to the rescue. Making the whole system so integrated, that a killing blow to one part? Brings the whole deck of cards down. . . this is suicidal idiocy. But you can't tell these global psychopaths anything.

" ....a massive solar storm could cost the US economy between $1 trillion and $2 trillion and take four to 10 years to recover from."

Making it more costly than Fauxi's Wuhan Gain of Function bioweapon

 

[MisterBeale]

" ....a massive solar storm could cost the US economy between $1 trillion and $2 trillion and take four to 10 years to recover from."

Making it more costly than Fauxi's Wuhan Gain of Function bioweapon

Long ago, I read a book on this, and it went into detail about affects that folks don't think about, like refrigerated medicines and other short term things that depend on power, how the bureaucracy depends on command and control systems to allocate resources to triage which sectors of society get which resources.

So, yeah, it appears that, in the short term, it would be a $1-2 trillion dollar loss, but, that is a short sighted estimate. It really does not take into account how society would start to disintegrate when masses of folks start dying because we don't have energy and supplies that critical infrastructure that depend on energy goes down.

Hospitals might be able to come back up on-line. . . but what about grocery stores? What happens when insulin runs out?

There are so many factors that it boggles the mind.

Riots and looting would start in 3 to four months, if, as experts think, it takes, at the most optimistic estimates, a year to get power back up to the most populate areas. And this does not include populates area with, like a half-million or less folks.

So, can you imagine a city, say, the size of Detroit or Las Vegas, with out power six months? How does Las Vegas get water with out power? How does Detroit fight crime with out power? How does anyone store food with out it?


And all of our Tankers, and soon our smart trucks/rigs will depend on GPS to deliver and ship supplies. They will cease to operate.




. . . and folks think I am being "melodramatic."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Long ago, I read a book on this, and it went into detail about affects that folks don't think about, like refrigerated medicines and other short term things that depend on power, how the bureaucracy depends on command and control systems to allocate resources to triage which sectors of society get which resources.

So, yeah, it appears that, in the short term, it would be a $1-2 trillion dollar loss, but, that is a short sighted estimate. It really does not take into account how society would start to disintegrate when masses of folks start dying because we don't have energy and supplies that critical infrastructure that depend on energy goes down.

Hospitals might be able to come back up on-line. . . but what about grocery stores? What happens when insulin runs out?

There are so many factors that it boggles the mind.

Riots and looting would start in 3 to four months, if, as experts think, it takes, at the most optimistic estimates, a year to get power back up to the most populate areas. And this does not include populates area with, like a half-million or less folks.

So, can you imagine a city, say, the size of Detroit or Las Vegas, with out power six months? How does Las Vegas get water with out power? How does Detroit fight crime with out power? How does anyone store food with out it?






. . . and folks think I am being "melodramatic."

We'd all have to live like it was Sukkot every day

 

[MisterBeale]

We'd all have to live like it was Sukkot every day

The folks that know how to grow food, gather from forests, defend their own property, know who their neighbors are, and hunt & fish, and know basic first aid will be the survivors.

. . . just your basic Revelations type scenario.


{8:6} And the seven Angels who hold the seven trumpets prepared themselves, in order to sound the trumpet.
{8:7} And the first Angel sounded the trumpet. And there came hail and fire, mixed with blood; and it was cast down upon the earth. And a third part of the earth was burned, and a third part of the trees was entirely burned up, and all the green plants were burned.
{8:8} And the second Angel sounded the trumpet. And something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was cast down into the sea. And a third part of the sea became like blood.
{8:9} And a third part of the creatures that were living in the sea died. And a third part of the ships were destroyed.

 

[MisterBeale]

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