Capitalism would reduce health care costs to 20% of current levels but....

[Rshermr]

because liberals are unable to understand capitalism it won't happen.

Why don't you explain anyway, might be interesting. Also, a liberal economist or two passing by might give you a run for your money. Any, welcome back Edward.

well if you look at East/West Germany you see that eveything was cheap in West Germany and so expensive in East Germany that they lived at 20% the West German standard of living.
And, the standard of living they had in East Germany was higher than it would have been without western inventions to copy.

Isn't odd that our liberals want to copy the East German model?

Now you see why we do not respond to ed. It is exactly like going to a mental hospital, asking for the most delusional patient, and trying to have a conversation. He is our resident troll. He simply tries to end threads he does not like, because no one wants to engage him. Kind of like that old saying about wrestling with a pig.

 

[Mr Natural]

If you look at areas of medicine that are not subject to insurance, like Lasix and breast augmentation, you find that costs have declined since people pay for these things out of their own pockets. That should be the model for the rest of medicine.

Makes perfect sense to me. Model your health care on Lasix and breast augmentation. Pay no attention to the rest of the world where costs are less than ours.
Or, do not consider the cost of those procedures in the rest of the world compared to the US cost. Look over here, not over there. Nothing to see there. Believe the health care providers, not the studies. Do like rabbi. Listen to the hc industry, and shut out all that other information.
Perfect. I wonder why we pay over twice what other countries pay for health insurance on average.

In our wonderful world of HC, I went to a clinic to treat a stomach ailment in Dec of last year (Dec 21, 2013). Turned out it was not a stomach ailment. It was a heart attack. Stuck me in an ambulance, and found out the solution was bypass surgery. Took 8 hours of surgery, and I had a nice new set of arteries for my heart (from my arm and legs). Triple bypass. And a bill for over a half million $, happily covered entirely by medicare. Per the Rabbi, would have been best if I paid it out of pocket.
Think about it. How would you, or millions of others deal with a shiny new bill for over a half million bucks. Ever wonder why it is that medical expenses is the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country? Only in the USA.

But according to Special Ed., that half-million dollar heart job of yours would have only cost you a mere hundred grand.

And who among us doesn't have a hundred grand laying around?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why don't you explain anyway, might be interesting. Also, a liberal economist or two passing by might give you a run for your money. Any, welcome back Edward.

well if you look at East/West Germany you see that eveything was cheap in West Germany and so expensive in East Germany that they lived at 20% the West German standard of living.
And, the standard of living they had in East Germany was higher than it would have been without western inventions to copy.

Isn't odd that our liberals want to copy the East German model?

Now you see why we do not respond to ed. It is exactly like going to a mental hospital, asking for the most delusional patient, and trying to have a conversation. He is our resident troll. He simply tries to end threads he does not like, because no one wants to engage him. Kind of like that old saying about wrestling with a pig.

yes you're right!! in reality East Germany did better than West Germany and Chinese poverty has shot through the roof since they switched to capitalism, and Cuba does better than Florida! A liberal will try to pretend he's above the subject when in reality he lacks the IQ for the subject!.

 

[Rshermr]

If you look at areas of medicine that are not subject to insurance, like Lasix and breast augmentation, you find that costs have declined since people pay for these things out of their own pockets. That should be the model for the rest of medicine.

Makes perfect sense to me. Model your health care on Lasix and breast augmentation. Pay no attention to the rest of the world where costs are less than ours.
Or, do not consider the cost of those procedures in the rest of the world compared to the US cost. Look over here, not over there. Nothing to see there. Believe the health care providers, not the studies. Do like rabbi. Listen to the hc industry, and shut out all that other information.
Perfect. I wonder why we pay over twice what other countries pay for health insurance on average.

In our wonderful world of HC, I went to a clinic to treat a stomach ailment in Dec of last year (Dec 21, 2013). Turned out it was not a stomach ailment. It was a heart attack. Stuck me in an ambulance, and found out the solution was bypass surgery. Took 8 hours of surgery, and I had a nice new set of arteries for my heart (from my arm and legs). Triple bypass. And a bill for over a half million $, happily covered entirely by medicare. Per the Rabbi, would have been best if I paid it out of pocket.
Think about it. How would you, or millions of others deal with a shiny new bill for over a half million bucks. Ever wonder why it is that medical expenses is the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country? Only in the USA.

But according to Special Ed., that half-million dollar heart job of yours would have only cost you a mere hundred grand.

And who among us doesn't have a hundred grand laying around?

It is not ed's fault. He is paid to post con dogma, and it is the ONLY job he can find. Besides, as a congenital idiot, it is not his fault. Just plain bad luck.
Ed can not explain why our HC costs are the highest in the world. He just knows he is paid to post that it is a good thing, and change the subject. Poor ignorant con tool can not help himself. Agenda is his thing.

 

[KissMy]

Capitalism would reduce health care costs to 20% of current levels but.... because liberals are unable to understand capitalism it won't happen.

You are full of shit.

Healthcare cost went down under Clinton, but soared under Reagan & both Bush's even during Republican congress. Obamacare is bending the cost curve & it will soon be costing less fore more healthcare.

 

[KissMy]

Look at what Republican ideology did to doctor graduation rates over the past 30 years. Obama has reversed that disaster.

 

[The Rabbi]

If you look at areas of medicine that are not subject to insurance, like Lasix and breast augmentation, you find that costs have declined since people pay for these things out of their own pockets. That should be the model for the rest of medicine.

yes a liberal will be unable to understand that if people shop carefully with their own money and suppliers compete on the basis of price and quality price will come down 80%. It seems simple but for liberals this is just too complicated.

They'll want to know what kind of law Congress should pass to make that happen. They just dont get it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Look at what Republican ideology did to doctor graduation rates over the past 30 years. Obama has reversed that disaster.

You're a total and complete buffoon. Yes, Republicans told medical schools to accept fewer people so graduation rates would go down. Seriously? I knew you were a waste of bandwidth before this but this one is a new low in stupidity even for you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obamacare is bending the cost curve & it will soon be costing less fore more healthcare.

obamacare is socialist so how on earth could that be possible. Look at East Germany/ West Germany or Cuba/Florida. Socialism bends the cost curve so everyone is impoverished! Have you heard about China? They switched to capitalism and now instead of 20 million starving to death 20 million can afford cars!! Its been in all the papers.

 

[Rshermr]

If you look at areas of medicine that are not subject to insurance, like Lasix and breast augmentation, you find that costs have declined since people pay for these things out of their own pockets. That should be the model for the rest of medicine.

yes a liberal will be unable to understand that if people shop carefully with their own money and suppliers compete on the basis of price and quality price will come down 80%. It seems simple but for liberals this is just too complicated.

They'll want to know what kind of law Congress should pass to make that happen. They just dont get it.

Nope. We do not get your logic. The world does not get your logic. But it is enlightening to see that you follow ed's "logic". Perhaps if you could name a country in the world that has pure capitalist medical care that is less expensive than the average, or even the most expensive, of the 34 OECD countries. I am, however, not holding my breath.

 

[Rshermr]

The really funny thing is that tools like ed keep calling the aca socialist. Funny. It has:
1. Private medical services, NO gov run medical hospitals, doctors, or services.
2. PRIVATE sold supplies, drugs, and equipment.
3. PRIVATE medical insurance, NO gov run insurance.
Where are the socialist costs??? Why, just the administration cost. And why, with a medical system that became the joke of the world, costing over twice what other countries systems cost, would it need to be administered??? Hell, I love paying twice as much. Don't you??
So, we are being fed the medical industry and insurance industry lies by the tools that work with the politicians who are paid by the insurance companies and the medical industry.

 

[Wry Catcher]

because liberals are unable to understand capitalism it won't happen.

Wow, I don't understand how this can be, what are the details?

[I'll be forced to continue to believe you're a moron if you can't).

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

because liberals are unable to understand capitalism it won't happen.

Wow, I don't understand how this can be, what are the details?

[I'll be forced to continue to believe you're a moron if you can't).

details? Well China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty.
West Germany did far better than East Germany. Now do you understand.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The really funny thing is that tools like ed keep calling the aca socialist. Funny. It has:
1. Private medical services, NO gov run medical hospitals, doctors, or services.
.

actually nothing is private unless customers are shopping with their own money and suppliers are competing on basis of price and quality. Massive liberal intervention prevents this. Notice you could not get past 1. without a basic mistake!

 

[KissMy]

because liberals are unable to understand capitalism it won't happen.

Wow, I don't understand how this can be, what are the details?

[I'll be forced to continue to believe you're a moron if you can't).

details? Well China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty.
West Germany did far better than East Germany. Now do you understand.

Communist China is not a free market you idiot! They have class of haves & have-nots.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Communist China is not a free market you idiot! They have class of haves & have-nots.

yes and the USA is not a free market either. The point is, as they have switched toward capitalism they have eliminated 40% of world poverty. ThE liberal reaction is to switch back toward socialism. Its insane but it is modern liberalism. Go figure.

 

[KissMy]

Communist China is not a free market you idiot! They have class of haves & have-nots.

yes and the USA is not a free market either. The point is, as they have switched toward capitalism they have eliminated 40% of world poverty. ThE liberal reaction is to switch back toward socialism. Its insane but it is modern liberalism. Go figure.

More bullshit. We eliminated 40% of the world's poverty. China would be nothing without US.

 

[Rshermr]

Communist China is not a free market you idiot! They have class of haves & have-nots.

yes and the USA is not a free market either. The point is, as they have switched toward capitalism they have eliminated 40% of world poverty. ThE liberal reaction is to switch back toward socialism. Its insane but it is modern liberalism. Go figure.

More bullshit. We eliminated 40% of the world's poverty. China would be nothing without US.

Ed just pulls drivel from the bat shit crazy con web sites he frequents and posts it as fact, with no links. He is just the resident con troll. No one really takes him seriously. Poor guy is just trying to win an argument. Never has, but thinks he can if he cuts and pastes enough propoganda.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Communist China is not a free market you idiot! They have class of haves & have-nots.

yes and the USA is not a free market either. The point is, as they have switched toward capitalism they have eliminated 40% of world poverty. ThE liberal reaction is to switch back toward socialism. Its insane but it is modern liberalism. Go figure.

More bullshit. We eliminated 40% of the world's poverty. China would be nothing without US.

we eliminated?? how when?? China trades more with Europe than USA??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Ed just pulls drivel from the bat shit crazy con web sites he frequents

Actually I don't frequent any. If you have evidence to contrary I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal tail between your legs.