Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[dblack]

In response to western efforts to deny democratic outcomes in Greece and Italy, Loon.

"Democratic outcomes" are frequently shit.

 

[georgephillip]

without money you have zero freedom try taking a vacation or doing anything when your ass is broke

Where has most of the money gone over the past forty years?

One chart that shows how much worse income inequality is in America than Europe

 

[georgephillip]

the new deal did nothing but world war 2 ended the depression dumbass

The New Deal put millions of unemployed men back to work after capitalism crashed:

Putting People Back to Work [ushistory.org]

"The first such initiative began in March 1933. Called the CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS, this program was aimed at over two million unemployed unmarried men between the ages of 17 and 25...."

"In the fall of 1933, Roosevelt authorized the CIVIL WORKS ADMINISTRATION. Also headed by Hopkins, this program employed 2.5 million in a month's time, and eventually grew to a multitudinous 4 million at its peak."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where has most of the money gone over the past forty years?

One chart that shows how much worse income inequality is in America than Europe

Skills pay more than ever. Too bad you never acquired any.

 

[bripat9643]

Like this?

After Jan. 6, Investigating the Contours of a “Broad Fascist Movement” in the U.S.

That isn't fascism, shit for brains.

 

[bripat9643]

The New Deal put millions of unemployed men back to work after capitalism crashed:

Putting People Back to Work [ushistory.org]

"The first such initiative began in March 1933. Called the CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS, this program was aimed at over two million unemployed unmarried men between the ages of 17 and 25...."

"In the fall of 1933, Roosevelt authorized the CIVIL WORKS ADMINISTRATION. Also headed by Hopkins, this program employed 2.5 million in a month's time, and eventually grew to a multitudinous 4 million at its peak."

Actually the New Deal made the depression last longer.

 

[georgephillip]

Government cause the mortgage crisis by forcing banks to give loans to people that didn't have good credit.

The collapse of the housing market was caused by low interest rates, easy credit, insufficient regulation, and toxic subprime mortgage fraud 80% of which was driven by private, for-profit lenders.

CNN.com - FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic' - Sep 17, 2004

 

[georgephillip]

Of course, you always blame capitalism for every problem in the world. Government is the cause of virtually every social and economic problem in the world that is humanly solvable.

Capitalists own every government on the planet.
Every social and economic problem "government" gets blamed for stems from privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"Capitalism has ruled contemporary society since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

"Capitalism organizes the means of production to generate profit for the few, rather than meeting the needs of the many.

"Capitalism has wreaked havoc on our planet, and our worth as individuals.

"Capitalism will not satisfy the needs of the vast majority, simply because it is not profitable to do so."

 

[Brain357]

Capitalism thrives in a democracy.

 

[georgephillip]

Why does the USSR deserve any praise for being the victim? In fact, it was one of the perps in the war. Stalin helped Hitler carve up Poland. It brought the wolf to its door.

Capitalism started both world wars of the 20th century

"'The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities.... Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Nazism, but for its own purposes aided Nazism wherever possible (and profitable)--with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States.'"

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: The Astonishing True Story of the American Financiers Who Bankrolled the Nazis a book by Antony C. Sutton

 

[bripat9643]

The collapse of the housing market was caused by low interest rates, easy credit, insufficient regulation, and toxic subprime mortgage fraud 80% of which was driven by private, for-profit lenders.

CNN.com - FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic' - Sep 17, 2004

It was caused by the government, turd. Government forced banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them.

The facts are indisputable.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism started both world wars of the 20th century

"'The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities.... Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Nazism, but for its own purposes aided Nazism wherever possible (and profitable)--with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States.'"

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: The Astonishing True Story of the American Financiers Who Bankrolled the Nazis a book by Antony C. Sutton

You mean we never had wars before capitalism? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . .er, wait. No, that's not right.

 

[theHawk]

Finance capitalism is transforming US democracy into an oligarchy, something neither Trump nor Biden has any problem with.

President Trump was like a flashlight, he exposed our supposed “democracy” and showed everyone it’s an oligarch and Washington Establishment that runs everything.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Capitalists own every government on the planet.
Every social and economic problem "government" gets blamed for stems from privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"Capitalism has ruled contemporary society since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

"Capitalism organizes the means of production to generate profit for the few, rather than meeting the needs of the many.

"Capitalism has wreaked havoc on our planet, and our worth as individuals.

"Capitalism will not satisfy the needs of the vast majority, simply because it is not profitable to do so."

Did you ever find where capitalism killed 5 million from lack of drinking water?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Capitalists own every government on the planet.

Wasn't capitalism supposed to be replaced by now?
What happened to the workers of the world uniting and losing their chains?

 

[georgephillip]

Capitalism... property is distributed by participation, and dependent on who does and who does not accept the risks of opportunity.
Marxism/Socialism.... property is distributed, filtered more accurately, through elitist representatives who keep a large percentage of property for themselves, and whatever is left over given to the people.

Your definitions are suspect, to say the least.

Capitalism divides society into two highly unequal groups: owners and employers.
Owners represent a small minority of the total population, yet they decide what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus. The risks they assume are negligible when compared to the risks of homelessness, starvation, and death assumed by any employees who object to their dictatorial workplaces.

Socialism advocates a socially owned economy with particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management within either a market socialist economy or a form of decentralised planned socialist economy.

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

Under capitalism property is not distributed. It's earned.

You lie like...

Donald Trump received more than $400M from father through dubious tax dodges: NYT - National | Globalnews.ca

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Capitalism divides society into two highly unequal groups: owners and employers.

So what?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Owners represent a small minority of the total population, yet they decide what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus. The risks they assume are negligible

Sweet! You should have become an owner.
You wouldn't be such a whiney loser.

 

[georgephillip]

Of course, but the word "Earn" is alien to liberals.
It is not recognized.

What do shareholders do to "earn" their economic rewards?

The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly

"Marjorie Kelly’s The Divine Right of Capital is one of those mind-bending books that deserves to be read by a large audience.

"It tells a behind-the-scenes story of capitalism that we don’t often hear; one that shows how our preoccupation with shareholder 'primacy' distorts capitalism in ways that generate serious harm for society and the planet.

"Kelly shows how our current problems with capitalism are not necessarily intrinsic to market forces or even capitalism itself, but to the particular version of it that we have today."