Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[georgephillip]

nice propaganda…but the people weren’t eating their pets and zoo animals when it was run more capitalist

Capitalism has starved people to death for centuries.
Why aren't you complaining about that?

Capitalism threatens mass starvation

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"It tells a behind-the-scenes story of capitalism that we don’t often hear; one that shows how our preoccupation with shareholder 'primacy' distorts capitalism in ways that generate serious harm for society and the planet.

Exactly!!!

The government would do much better if it owned all the shares.
Just look how well that worked in the Soviet Union.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Capitalism has starved people to death for centuries.
Why aren't you complaining about that?

Capitalism threatens mass starvation

What about when Communism let millions starve to death?

 

[georgephillip]

You're clearly on the wrong site. Here ya go: http://www.ussrmessageboard.com

"This site can't be reached"?

 

[bripat9643]

You lie like...

Donald Trump received more than $400M from father through dubious tax dodges: NYT - National | Globalnews.ca

Trump and his siblings inherited $35 million each. You obviously believe that parents shouldn't be able to decide who gets their money when they die. What a fucking Stalinist.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism has starved people to death for centuries.
Why aren't you complaining about that?

Capitalism threatens mass starvation

Capitalism has only been around for about 200 years, so how can that be true?

 

[struth]

Capitalism has starved people to death for centuries.
Why aren't you complaining about that?

Capitalism threatens mass starvation

hahaha Marxist.com is blaming natural disasters and locusts on capitalism? haha yeah…we call that leftist desperation

in the real world we see socialism in NK, and capitalism just across the border in SK…night and day

 

[georgephillip]

I saw that the first time, now where did capitalism kill 5 million from lack of drinking water?

Can you see this?

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year.

"Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

"Why is capitalism the culprit here?"

 

[georgephillip]

Don't you hate it when your hero, Stalin, teams up with Hitler?
I'll bet Stalin felt like a real asshole when Hitler invaded, eh comra

I'll bet the only thing that kept you from kissing stalin's and Hitler's ass is an accident of birth, Bitch.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Can you see this?

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year.

"Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

"Why is capitalism the culprit here?"

Can you see this?

I saw the evidence free claim, I want details.
Where did capitalism kill 5 million from lack of clean water?

"Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year.

That's awful!! In which capitalist countries did capitalism starve these people?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'll bet the only thing that kept you from kissing stalin's and Hitler's ass is an accident of birth, Bitch.

Is Stalin in hell sucking Hitler's dick, or the other way around?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Can you see this?

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year.

"Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

"Why is capitalism the culprit here?"

If the top 5 wealthiest business people gave only 10 percent of their net worth to ending world hunger, or only 3 percent to provide clean water everywhere on the planet, then these issues would be more than eradicated.

The 10 Richest People in the World

Learn who the top 10 billionaires in the world are and how they built their wealth.

www.investopedia.com

Looks like about $700 billion.

$70 billion will end world hunger?

$21 billion will provide clean water all over the planet?

WTF aren't governments already doing that?
Why do they need to wait for the rich dudes?

 

[bripat9643]

Can you see this?

Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

"The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year.

"Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

"Why is capitalism the culprit here?"

Yes, "Why is capitalism the culprit here?" The countries where it happens aren't capitalist. They are socialist shitholes

 

[bripat9643]

I'll bet the only thing that kept you from kissing stalin's and Hitler's ass is an accident of birth, Bitch.

You're kissing Stalin's ass right now, fuckstick.

 

[georgephillip]

How did you anyone conclude that capitalism was responsible? These people died mostly in Africa, where they don't have capitalism. They mostly have the kind of governments that you endorse.

They mostly have governments controlled by western capitalists.

"A brand new World Bank report, The Changing Wealth of Nations 2018, offers evidence of how much poorer Africa is becoming thanks to rampant minerals, oil and gas extraction.

"Yet Bank policies and practices remain oriented to enforcing foreign loan repayments and transnational corporate (TNC) profit repatriation, thus maintaining the looting."

Africa: New evidence of ongoing corporate looting | Climate & Capitalism

 

[georgephillip]

Placing that aside, Keynesianism, which is precisely the kind of policy we have, is socialist. And eventually leads to fascism.

You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
Keynes was a capitalist, not a socialist, and his economic policies were replaced by neoliberal economics in the 1980s; the blind worship of market forces favored by neoliberal proponents produces record levels of income inequality and leads directly to fascism:

Keynesian Socialism

"Keynes was not a Socialist.

"Nevertheless his economics have profound implications for Socialists.

"Keynes showed that if Capitalism is to be successful, it has to be managed: the 'market', if left to its own devices will breed great depressions and widespread impoverization.

"But once it is determined that market capitalism needs to be well managed, the questions of how and for whom it is to be managed come to the fore."

 

[georgephillip]

What about wages in the financial sector?

What about them?

 

[Orangecat]

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/fil...-_is_capitalism_compatible_with_democracy.pdf

"Capitalism and democracy follow different logics: unequally distributed property rights on the one hand, equal civic and political rights on the other; profit oriented trade within capitalism in contrast to the search for the common good within democracy; debate, compromise and majority decision-making within democratic politics versus hierarchical decision-making by managers and capital owners.

"Capitalism is not democratic, democracy not capitalist.

"During the first postwar decades, tensions between the two were moderated through the socio-political embedding of capitalism by an interventionist tax and welfare state.

"Yet, the financialization of capitalism since the 1980s has broken the precarious capitalist-democratic compromise."

Reagan's tax cuts facilitated low interest rates and financial bubbles to promote US financial expansion by making real estate speculation and junk-bond corporate takeovers effectively exempt from income taxation.

This set in motion a chain-reaction of asset price inflation that is still polarizing this economy today.

The primary mode of accumulation has become financial, enabling investment bankers to replace government planners.

Capitalism is an economic system and democracy is a political system. Comparing the two as if they are competing ideologies is the height of indoctrinated naivety.

 

[bripat9643]

They mostly have governments controlled by western capitalists.

"A brand new World Bank report, The Changing Wealth of Nations 2018, offers evidence of how much poorer Africa is becoming thanks to rampant minerals, oil and gas extraction.

"Yet Bank policies and practices remain oriented to enforcing foreign loan repayments and transnational corporate (TNC) profit repatriation, thus maintaining the looting."

Africa: New evidence of ongoing corporate looting | Climate & Capitalism

How are western capitalists forcing 3rd world countries to adopt socialist policies?

How is mineral, oil and gas extraction making any country poorer?

 

[danielpalos]

Government is socialism.

If liberty and equality are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.--Aristotle