Cantor says he's concerned by 'mobs' at 'Occupy Wall Street'

[thereisnospoon]

From what I have read, the protesters are told repeatedly that this is to be a peaceful demonstration. It seems anti-establishment demonstrations always attract a few anarchist see to always take it to the extreme.
The thing is, Main Street America is getting screwed over. It wasn't always that way. Through the the late70's people actually saw their income grow faster than inflation. The Middle Class was booming and contributing to the economy. Main Street America saw their fair share of the National Income. People were working. This was the era when capitalism was at it's finest. And taxes were higher during that time period than they are now.
Then the Global Economy arose. Profits took more of a meaning and the growth of wages at a rate faster than inflation stopped and reversed itself. The wealth gap grew, working Americans so their share of the National Income shrink.
We have some people sitting on their hands accepting this down-wards spiral, we have people defending those who brought all of this down on themselves and Main Street America. But we also have a growing number of people who are sick of living check to check and losing wealth due to economic injustice.
Big Money has put a lot of effort in demonizing those who want their share of the economy. Naturally, there are people eating up what the distracters are telling them. We see that on these boards.
But the fact remains, Main Street America has been sliding downhill for the last three decades and there are reasons and Main Street America is recognizing these reasons.
These people aren't socialist, they just want to save capitalism from greed and dishonesty by using accountability. Has anyone even had their hands slapped in light of their lack of ethics and morals that brought on the Great Recession. And why are a small about of the US's citizenry profiting hugely, while the rest are forced to keep on taking steps backwards?

Exactly the talking points of the ever pontificating unionist Left.
Fact...there is no "national income"....Fact ...there is no "fair share".
The first falsehood is that a national income exists. That presupposes a conclusion that there is a finite amount of available wealth. Wealth is created. It does not exist in a vacuum. In fact the middle class has been growing be leaps and bounds. More people are going to college. More white collar jobs are available. The black middle class has grown over 100% in the last 40 years.
Second falsehood.

The notion of "fair share" indicates money is not be earned but is to be distributed as though we garnered our wages from a public fund. It also indicates that work is not a requirement to "share" in the fund.
These notions share the emotions of greed and envy.
I have read posters on here who advocate a limit to what individuals and businesses should be allowed to keep. Who the hell are they to decide? This idea also is born of the false premise that if one has more then another MUST have less.
What's next with you people? A limit on the size or value of a home one may buy? A limit on the type and number of vehicles one may own?
I have been barked at by these silly people because I own three vehicles. That's all they hear and they think it is unfair. Fuck 'em. It's none of their God Damned business.
When I tell them the combined age of my stuff is more than the age of most high school graduates, they shut the fuck up right then and there. What would it matter to these miscreants anyway. I can own whatever I choose and there's not a fuckin thing they can do about it but bitch moan and show their ass. Again. Fuck 'em. I earned it. It's mine.
I sick of the Left's crazy obsession with what other people have.

 

[thereisnospoon]

First Read - Cantor says he's concerned by 'mobs' at 'Occupy Wall Street'

While I STILL have no idea what the "Occupy Wallstreet" folks want, I cannot see how they are any different than any of the Tea Party events that Cantor and his fellow Republicans loved. Do they even care how hypocritical they sound anymore?

I'm concerned that Cantor isn't doing his job. He'd rather see us go through another year of stagnation than lift a finger to help America for fear that it would also help Obama.

I would just LOVE to see Congress get their paychecks cut by about 30% as part of the deficit reduction plan. Cut back on the amount of money they get to hire staff workers, as well.

Then require Congress to spend more time in session to actually EARN the money they get paid.

Additionally, don't allow Congressmen, or Senators, or Governors to collect a paycheck when they're running for another office and spending so much time away from their current elective office. Either resign your office, or take an unpaid leave of absence.

I agree with the first two points. I disagree with the latter.
I don't want Congress in session any longer than is necessary. The reason is simple. The Framers set up a citizen legislature. Service to the people was never intended to be a career. The worst thing that ever occurred in this area was for Congress to award itself a pension for retiring members. In act it's downright ludicrous. Back to that in a moment.
The idea of serving the legislature was to serve then return home. The Framers also intended to limit the Congress' powers so that they do as little as possible. The Framers feared government. They wanted government to remain in check and under the watchful eye of guess who? What are the first three words in the Declaration of Independence?
We The People......So, if Congressional members are huddled away in Washington for extended periods, they might just become too comfortable and they may ignore their constituents. Unfortunately that is precisely what has occurred. Politicians have become elitist and aloof. They spend as little time as possible "at home" where they would have to answer to their constituents.
The pension requirements for retiring legislators is the equivalent to a lifetime Chrsitmas present. A House member need only serve a total of 6 terms, a Senator just two....That's it. 12 years working for the government and they get a permanent vacation with all the perks and privileges that come with an elected position. We have to force Congress to end this. They do not deserve a pension. Senators and House members pay is excessive. They could live just fine off half of what they are paid now. This notion that if government service did not come with high wages it would prevent the government from attracting the "best and brightest". I have heard this bullshit argument before. And in seeing and hearing the words of Sens and House members, I can state unequivocally there is a very real problem in this country if these people are considered our "Best and Brightest".

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, but what you are not aware of is why they were penned in..

Now, if you take into consideration that they were penned in for acting unruly and inciting others to act unruly..and continuing to incite others to act unruly while they were penned in, you may see it in a different light.

Sometimes, when one that is being detained continues to do what they were being detained for, the officer must be pro-active and take charge.

The NYPD is one of the best in the world. Sure, you have a few bad apples.....but this situation is a classic example of a video going viral without all of the facts attached to it.

she was a girl as were most of the others who were penned-in w/ her

What does being a girl have to do with anything?

Not only are Liberals closet racists. They are closet sexists and closet Homophobes.
When Idaho Senator Larry Craig was arrested for lewd public conduct and that conduct was determined to be homosexual in nature, the Left went nuts as did the MSM. Both factions painted Craig as a leper because he was accused of being homosexual. Andf why did the Left and the MSM have such a field day with this? Because Craig was a REPUBLICAN. That's why.
When Fmr NJ Governor Jim Mc Greevey resigned his office over an admitted homosexual affair the MSM and the Left circled the wagons around Mc Greevey. Why? Because Mc Greevey was a DEMOCRAT.

 

[Cecilie1200]

She was penned in becuase she was NOT a peaceful protester...that is what is lost in this.
And if you watch the tape, you will still hear her screaming....you can not hear what she is saying, but apparently (according to local news) she was directing others around her to rebel to the police...to "push back".....which was what she was doing and why she was penned in.

Look at it this way...Bloomberg is not an ideologue. He is an independent. He is not Mayor for the money...he truly cares about NYC and what uis right for it.

If the macing was unwarranted, the officer would have been suspended, if not fired.

Again, you only saw a video of a woman being maced. You do not know why she was penned in and you do not know what she was screaming to the crowd before she was maced.

She needed to be silenced fot eh crowd was reaching a point of being very dangerous iof they lost control.

Bear in mind...they could not transport her out...the crowd was bloicking the streets...so penning her in was the only alternative...but it did not stop her from trying to get people to physically fight the police.

Let's assume for a moment that you are right, and this defenseless woman deserved to be maced by armed policemen. Using this logic, how many over the top, out of control "conservatives" should have been maced during the town halls leading up the the Healthcare Legislation battles?

Or at any of the teaparty events where they were allowed to have guns on them, spit at congressmen and even Palen/Bachmann inciting the loonies by placing bullseyes on maps, targeting congressmen and their districts.

The ows are angels compared to that.

What a bunch of utter horseshit. Of course, that's not surprising, since it's coming from such a complete horse's ass.

 

[Cecilie1200]

One man's "mob" is another man's democracy. Poor Mr. Cantor. While coddling the wealthy, he forgot who can put more votes in his column.

This is only because illiterate dumbfuck leftists refuse to learn the meanings of words so they can use them properly.

You dipshits ever figure out that thorny "meaning of is" problem?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The feared Left doesn't have guns like the right wingers do. Check your local militia group. You know, those aged teenagers with a Peter Pan complex and a love of physical destruction. Those Timmy McViegh types are the ones known to act out with violence. because they have.

Same ole lame argument. The Left has plenty of violent kooks out there. And the Democrats are promoting angry violent confrontation before the Election. Anyone with common sense can see that. It's "Community Organizing" rearing its ugly head again. I think it's time to say goodbye to the Community Organizers. See ya in 2012.

Good parrot.

Try to discredit the protests, GOP debate 101.

Everyone involved in the protests has pushed a civil and non-violent occupation.

Sure . . . if you believe what they say, instead of what they do.

Unfortunately for you, only you leftist twits are stupid enough to ever do that.

 

[Dot Com]

I'm concerned that Obama is giving the OWS crowd aid, comfort and support

They're not "the enemy," Frank. And it's not an impeachable offense.

yeah 57Frank. enough w/ the stark black & white comparisons

 

[Mr.Nick]

I still cant get over the dude that just decided to shit on a car...... WTF....

I hate the cops but I never ever thought about taking a shit on one of their cars....

You'd have to be a retard to shit on a persons car and be content with your actions...

 

[midcan5]

Replace it with what, T?

Very good question Jake!

I recall the discussion in school about Banana republics. What are the attributes that make a country a banana republic?

The number one answer then was printing your own money.

What do you suggest?

Better yet? How did we get along before 1913?

The world was a different place before 1913 and any reading of history of the late 19th century would clearly show it was not all peaches and cream. Up and downs and turmoil happened too often. Consider too how well we did as a nation after FDR for sixty years till Reagan et al started our current mess as another example - how did we get along so well? And if genuinely interested check this book out. [ame]http://www.amazon.com/Age-Reform-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394700953/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8[/ame]


"Congressional oversight of the Federal Reserve and monetary policy is important because:

Monetary policy can dominate fiscal policy in certain circumstances.
Inflation is determined by monetary policy.
The Federal Reserve influences interest rates.
The Federal Reserve stabilizes the financial system.

This paper briefly summarizes the structure and operating procedures of the Federal Reserve and comments on the significance of congressional oversight. " The Importance of the Federal Reserve

 

[California Girl]

I'm concerned that Obama is giving the OWS crowd aid, comfort and support

They're not "the enemy," Frank. And it's not an impeachable offense.

Anyone who lays claim to 'representing' the '99%' is my enemy. Just like, apparently, I am Obama's 'enemy' - which I know because he said so.

And, as far as I am concerned, I no longer consider Obama my President... because he called me his enemy. He can fuck off.

 

[The T]

Very good question Jake!

I recall the discussion in school about Banana republics. What are the attributes that make a country a banana republic?

The number one answer then was printing your own money.

What do you suggest?

Better yet? How did we get along before 1913?

The world was a different place before 1913 and any reading of history of the late 19th century would clearly show it was not all peaches and cream. Up and downs and turmoil happened too often. Consider too how well we did as a nation after FDR for sixty years till Reagan et al started our current mess as another example - how did we get along so well? And if genuinely interested check this book out. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Age-Reform-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394700953/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: The Age of Reform (9780394700953): Richard Hofstadter: Books[/ame]


"Congressional oversight of the Federal Reserve and monetary policy is important because:

Monetary policy can dominate fiscal policy in certain circumstances.
Inflation is determined by monetary policy.
The Federal Reserve influences interest rates.
The Federal Reserve stabilizes the financial system.

This paper briefly summarizes the structure and operating procedures of the Federal Reserve and comments on the significance of congressional oversight. " The Importance of the Federal Reserve

You are correct...it is a different place. A new class has risen out of all of it and for the power Government designed to take away from the people...the moocher class that will never know true liberty.

 

[Dot Com]

Who cares what Cantnor says he's bought & paid for Eric Cantor: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2012 | OpenSecrets

 

[Nic_Driver]

Same ole lame argument. The Left has plenty of violent kooks out there. And the Democrats are promoting angry violent confrontation before the Election. Anyone with common sense can see that. It's "Community Organizing" rearing its ugly head again. I think it's time to say goodbye to the Community Organizers. See ya in 2012.

Good parrot.

Try to discredit the protests, GOP debate 101.

Everyone involved in the protests has pushed a civil and non-violent occupation.

Sure . . . if you believe what they say, instead of what they do.

Unfortunately for you, only you leftist twits are stupid enough to ever do that.

You make this claim with what proof?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I still cant get over the dude that just decided to shit on a car...... WTF....

I hate the cops but I never ever thought about taking a shit on one of their cars....

You'd have to be a retard to shit on a persons car and be content with your actions...

I can honestly say I've never considered taking a shit IN PUBLIC.

 

[Cecilie1200]

House GOP Leader Eric Cantor decried the protests that started several weeks ago in New York, and have spread to major cities across the country. Cantor said in a speech at the Values Voters Summit in Washington that he is "increasingly concerned" about the "growing mobs" represented at the protests.

First Read - Cantor says he's concerned by 'mobs' at 'Occupy Wall Street'

While I STILL have no idea what the "Occupy Wallstreet" folks want, I cannot see how they are any different than any of the Tea Party events that Cantor and his fellow Republicans loved. Do they even care how hypocritical they sound anymore?

Simple. The Tea Party does not have a list of unfathomable and ridiculous demands.
Such as "the forgiving of ALL debt"...$20 minimum wage. Elimination of fossil fuels. An automatic $1trillion ( from where this money will come is a mystery) for infrastructure.
The rampant unionization of labor....Tea Party rallies did not "Occupy public space. Did not block traffic and applied and received all required permits for large gatherings.

And speaking as someone who had to do business in a courthouse the day the Tea Party gathered in the square outside of it, I can tell you that they were extremely polite and considerate about getting out of the way of people simply going about their daily business.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Simple. The Tea Party does not have a list of unfathomable and ridiculous demands.

Neither does OWS.

Such as "the forgiving of ALL debt"...$20 minimum wage. Elimination of fossil fuels. An automatic $1trillion ( from where this money will come is a mystery) for infrastructure.

These are not demands of OWS. You have been misled.

The rampant unionization of labor....

This might be something most OWS protesters would support and so would I, and is indeed a difference between the two movements. They are not identical. However, they do have many points in common.

Tea Party rallies did not "Occupy public space. Did not block traffic and applied and received all required permits for large gatherings.

I'm quite certain that isn't true, but if it is true it only means the TP activists didn't know how to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience. That requires breaking the law (without hurting people, of course) and inviting arrest.

I note with interest that, while you tell us definitively what OWS does NOT want, you don't bother to correct the so-called "misleading" and tell us what they DO want.

On the other hand, another way they differ from the Tea Party protests is that it's extremely difficult to find out WHAT these slacker 'tards want, while the Tea Party was and is extremely clear and concise.

Don't believe me? Look at what TIME Magazine has to say about them:

Figuring out just what the Occupy Wall Street movement wants has been difficult for even reporters who are steeped in policy and liberal platforms.

So conservatives aren't the only ones confused by these mushbrained freaks.

They go on to quote Ezra Klein of the Washington Post thus:

Some of the people camped out Zuccotti Park for the Occupy Wall Street protest want to End the Fed. Others want to tax Wall Street. One woman assured me that “very few” of the top one percent live in New York, or even in the United States. “They're in gated communities all around the world,” she said. Someone else saw this as a cultural revolution. When I arrived, the crowd seemed almost entirely under-30. By the time I left, it was considerably less homogenous.

There is not, in other words, all that much you can say with confidence about what Occupy Wall Street is or isn't. At the moment, it's different things to different people. And, depending on your perspective, that may be the nascent movement's biggest strength or its fatal weakness.

Sounds to me like most of these losers want to protest just for the sake of protesting, because it's the closest they can come to not feeling like a bunch of powerless nobodies. Boo fucking hoo.

But finally, TIME Magazine gleaned through the "more-or-less official Occupy Wall Street" websites and put together this list of their demands. See if any of them sound familiar.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

So if we've been "misled", it's by the occupying idiots themselves.

By the way, there are a bunch of homegrown fools planning an "Occupy Tucson" protest here in my own city. When asked if they would plan a counter-protest, the Tucson Tea Party responded, "No. We don't 'occupy' Tucson. We ARE Tucson."

Now THAT'S brilliant.

 

[Cecilie1200]

First Read - Cantor says he's concerned by 'mobs' at 'Occupy Wall Street'

While I STILL have no idea what the "Occupy Wallstreet" folks want, I cannot see how they are any different than any of the Tea Party events that Cantor and his fellow Republicans loved. Do they even care how hypocritical they sound anymore?

I'm concerned that Cantor isn't doing his job. He'd rather see us go through another year of stagnation than lift a finger to help America for fear that it would also help Obama.

I would just LOVE to see Congress get their paychecks cut by about 30% as part of the deficit reduction plan. Cut back on the amount of money they get to hire staff workers, as well.

Then require Congress to spend more time in session to actually EARN the money they get paid.

Additionally, don't allow Congressmen, or Senators, or Governors to collect a paycheck when they're running for another office and spending so much time away from their current elective office. Either resign your office, or take an unpaid leave of absence.

I'd like to see Congressmembers required to attend a certain number of days in session in order to be paid, at the very least.

But the truth is, for most Congressmembers, that paycheck is a very small percentage of their total income. They aren't doing it for the money; at least, they aren't doing it for THAT money.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters accused of living in filth as shocking pictures show one demonstrator defecating on a POLICE CAR

Occupy Wall Street: Shocking photos show protester defecating on POLICE CAR | Mail Online

And conservatives think they don't give a shit?

Actually, I think that's ALL they give.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Good parrot.

Try to discredit the protests, GOP debate 101.

Everyone involved in the protests has pushed a civil and non-violent occupation.

Sure . . . if you believe what they say, instead of what they do.

Unfortunately for you, only you leftist twits are stupid enough to ever do that.

You make this claim with what proof?

The evidence of my own eyes, dipshit. I can see how they behave, and it bears no resemblance to any claims of "civil" and "non-violent".

 

[Sky Dancer]

I think it's great that there has been this spontaneous showing of citizens on Wall Street. It tells me people are sick of the same old same old two party system.